Cenk Uygur: "Can anyone name Obama’s principles? Something he will not bend on?"

[Better Believe It]

Obama’s Tipping Point
By: Cenk Uygur
August 9, 2011

Can anyone name Obama’s principles? Something he will not bend on? A progressive priority he will defend to the end?

Does Obama even think of himself as a progressive? He once pointed to a glass half-filled with water and told Sen. Bernie Sanders, “That’s the problem with you progressives. You see this as half-empty.” You progressives?

But does anyone think that the guy who hired Tim Geithner, Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, William Daley, Peter Orszag, Ben Bernanke, etc. is remotely progressive? If you looked throughout the whole country, could you find more conservative, establishment Democrats? Barely, if at all. And, of course, some of those guys aren’t even Democrats.

Now, the Obama supporters won’t believe this either. They’ll blame the messenger as usual. But go ahead, ignore this message at your peril. Apparently, the people at the White House think they’re such geniuses. “Did you know it turns out centrists decide elections?” This is the kind of politics you learn in third grade and they think they’re playing three dimensional chess. Yes, independents are important, but they hate weakness in their leaders. Giving the Republicans everything they want every single time doesn’t appeal to any independents and will lead to half of your own voters staying at home.

Read the full article at:

http://firedoglake.com/2011/08/09/obamas-tipping-point/

[SidDithers]

1. Cenk and FDL...

a match made in heaven.

:rofl:

Sid

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[atreides1]

5. Maybe

But what are Obama's standards...does he have any, or do they change with the shifting of the political winds?

[jaxx]

12. No kidding.

[Major Hogwash]

18. They'll wind up endorsing Bachmann out of spite!

If you read Cenk's bio at wiki, you'll see he is such a great progressive that he worked for the opposing side half of the time.

Sort of like Ms. Hampster.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Will Obama endorse Bachmann because he works for the opposition 3/4 of the time?

[dionysus]

21. vaght? it's the ODS... two peas in a bitter pod...

[WillyT]

60. Yeah... And The Thin-Skin-Ness Of Obama, And His Sycophants Is...

really unsettling.

Prepare for battle, but make sure you moisturize first.

:shrug:

[spooked911]

67. yeah, hilarious-- especially coming from a die-hard OCTist

[roguevalley]

72. Cenk rules. Period.

[Jakes Progress]

83. So you agree with the OP?

You don't seem to be arguing against it, so your post must indicate agreement.

[villager]

2. That's just it -- *what*, if anything, is his "line in the sand?"

Does he have one?

Because we have yet to see it.

[phantom power]

6. Obama's own words indicate he thinks lines in the sand are the problem.

"So it’s not a lack of plans or policies that’s the problem here. It’s a lack of political will in Washington. It’s the insistence on drawing lines in the sand" -- President Obama

If he thinks lines in the sand are the problem, it seems unlikely that he has any himself.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

15. He has clearly delineated lines in the sand when it comes to...

..progressive policies. He mocks them, scoffs at them, denigrates them, ignores them, and refuses to even consider them. I'd say that's a pretty blatant line. So - yes, he most certainly does have "lines in the sand" he draws. What's interesting is WHERE he puts them. And that is the problem - not the lines or no-lines -- it's where they ARE that is at issue.

[truedelphi]

59. Excellent point. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

94. Not so much where he's putting the line

but on which side of it he is standing.

[chervilant]

129. Furthermore,

many of us have no use for Obama's patronizing and/or condescending rebuttals to our concerns or criticisms.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

131. I certainly don't. I don't appreciate his minions' condescending namecalling either

thus, my DU name. ;)

It's really a f*ck YOU to the lot of them. I got a damn letter from the DNC asking for $$ to support Obama in 2012. Back it goes with a photo of a damn can of peas and a message that says: "SORRY, I'M BROKE, call Goldman Sachs. -Sincerely, Professional Leftist"

[chervilant]

130. Furthermore,

many of us have no use for Obama's patronizing and/or condescending rebuttals to our concerns or criticisms.

[ihavenobias]

137. +1 n/t

[Mimosa]

45. ^ I take Obama at his word on that ^ n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

62. Obama has no core beliefs

whatsoever.

[lumberjack_jeff]

117. That's exactly right. That's his core principle.

The process is all-important and everyone needs to see that the other side is operating in good faith too.

That principle can't cope with the reality that they're not.

[fascisthunter]

3. Yes, he will not bend on cutting SS, Medicare, funding for Public Ed.

Tax cuts for the wealthy, bailing out Wall Street, wars and no accountability for the Bush admin.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. Principles are soooooo 18th century.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." Tom Paine

[unblock]

8. don't lose your temper.

at least not on camera.

i'm pretty sure that one's etched in stone for him.

[kudzu22]

9. Obama's one core principle seems to be

that Obama is awesome. Never seen him back off from that one.

[phantom power]

10. "Compromise is a tactic, it’s not a principle."

Compromise is a tactic, it’s not a principle. It doesn’t give you the right answer. It is sometimes necessary, but offers no guidance in what should be the final outcome.

:applause:

[Bettie]

11. I wish he had one thing he would not bend on

Just one thing would make me feel so much better about him.

I hate voting for the lesser of two evils and, unfortunately, I've come from supporting him and believing in him to thinking he's maybe not quite as bad a a teabagger candidate would be.

I'll vote for him, but it won't be with enthusiasm as it was last time, it will be with a feeling of resignation and loss.

The loss is of the potential for our country that has been wasted, we had a chance to implement an honestly progressive agenda and it was squandered.

[Liberalynn]

41. I feel the exact same way you do.

[CherylK]

44. +1

:thumbsup:

[mochajava666]

113. +1

[Karmadillo]

13. Bailouts for the rich, accountability for teachers, more war, and entitlement cuts.

nt

[Snotcicles]

14. Obama is so ridged he is starting to look like Gumby. nt

[whistler162]

103. Make up your mind either he is ridged or he is startting to look like

Gumby can't have it both ways!

[bowens43]

16. Caving. He will absolutely not bend on caving.

He will cave on any and all issues , every time, without exception , regardless of past stated positions on the issue.

[indepat]

66. Obama will cave imo only if caving takes him to where he really wants to go, so

sell him short at your own peril. :patriot:

[libmom74]

101. +100

[roxiejules]

17. Wall Street found him pleasing

from May 2008

"The Wall Street plan for the Obama-bubble presidency is that of the cleanup crew for the housing bubble: sweep all the corruption and losses, would-be indictments, perp walks and prosecutions under the rug and get on with an unprecedented taxpayer bailout of Wall Street. ... Who better to sell this agenda to the millions of duped mortgage holders and foreclosed homeowners in minority communities across America than our first, beloved, black president of hope and change?

Why do Wall Street and the corporate law firms think they will find a President Obama to be accommodating? As the Black Agenda Report notes, "Evidently, the giant insurance companies, the airlines, oil companies, Wall Street, military contractors and others had closely examined and vetted Barack Obama and found him pleasing."


- via Counterpunch

[swilton]

19. Attacking

Republican candidates overtly

Democratic principles covertly

[frebrd]

20. His Number One Principle:

Always compromise - even before negotiations begin.

Think "Single Payer", "Public Option".

[harun]

125. Add Bush Tax Cuts, Debt Ceiling, Afganistan Occupation, Iraq Occupation

and closing Guantanamo Bay to that list.

[The Second Stone]

22. He will not bend on the principle that progressives

and liberals must be sacrificed.

[tranche]

23. I don't see how this is surprising.

[woo me with science]

25. He holds the principles and goals of the Third Way,

and is working toward them very successfully.

Unfortunately, with the exception of a few social issues, they are the same principles and goals the Republicans hold.

[FLAprogressive]

26. The never ending wars....

[NNN0LHI]

27. The one thing he won't bend on is letting some rapture ready Republican win the White House

As he should.

Don

[Chimichurri]

28. Obviously he bends to those who put the most pressure. It's up to us to be relentless with what we

want. We may not have the billions of dollars but there are more of us then there are of them.

I'm sure if the pressure goes on for more than one day, the needle will begin to move. Until that happens, we only waste time and energy bickering with each other.

[Amonester]

74. +1 it's sooo true. October 6, Freedom Plaza, D.C. will be where...

that urgently needed pressure will be applied (hopefully).

[Dawgs]

29. Careful. Some here think compromise, tax cuts for the rich, and debt deal are just fine. n/t

[creon]

30. Cenk is a Republican

His complaints about Obama are an insult to hypocrisy.

[provis99]

35. you win for most pointless troll post of the day.

[Vanje]

77. +1 nt

[inna]

99. +2 nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. Ah yes. That's why he votes Democratic? He strongly supported OBAMA too.

<snip>
On social issues, Uygur is now pro-choice on abortion, and supports LGBT rights, including same-sex marriage. In 2009, he advocated the liberalization of drug laws, arguing that the War on Drugs has been a failure, as shown by the continuing violence in Mexico and the border region. He also opposes imprisoning non-violent drug offenders for marijuana possession. He previously supported capital punishment in the United States, but now opposes it largely due to multiple exonerations of death row inmates since the reinstatement of the death penalty.

Uygur has expressed support for a return to Clinton-era income tax brackets and has criticized the 2010 Obama–GOP compromise which provided for a temporary extension of the Bush tax cuts. Uygur has stated that he favored welfare reform as enacted under Bill Clinton. He has been critical of excessive regulation, but has argued that in recent decades, regulation of the financial sector has been inadequate. In particular, he faults the deregulatory policies of Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush. He views the repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act (which Clinton signed into law}, as a major contributor to the late-2000s recession.

On national security and civil liberties issues, Uygur has strongly opposed the practices, begun under the Bush administration, of indefinite detention, warrantless wiretapping and extraordinary rendition, and believes that waterboarding is an illegal torture technique. Though Uygur has been a strong critic of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli government, he has stated that he is an advocate for a two state solution in the West Bank and has repeatedly criticized the Israeli government for its failure to materialize. <17>
On Democratic politicians and officeholders

The 2000 election was the first time Uygur voted Democratic, supporting Al Gore. Uygur has supported Democratic congressional and presidential candidates ever since, though he frequently criticized the Democratic congressional leadership for insufficiently opposing the Bush administration on civil liberties and foreign policy issues. Uygur has criticized Blue Dog Democrats and other centrist and conservative Democrats, some of whom he has labeled as "corporatists". However, he has described former Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold, a Democrat, as "probably the only guy in the whole entire Senate we can trust".<18> When Feingold was defeated for reelection in 2010 by Republican Ron Johnson, Uygur said Feingold had been "the best Senator we had, and we no longer have him".<16> He has also effusively praised former Florida Congressman Alan Grayson.<16>

In part because of concerns over Bush's foreign policy and policies on civil liberties, Uygur said he would support an impeachment of Bush. Early in the 2008 Obama campaign, Uygur questioned Obama's suitability for the presidency, claiming the Obama lacked political experience at the national level and had limited achievements in the U.S. Senate. Nevertheless, he moved to a position of strong support later in the campaign.

Since the fall of 2009, Uygur has taken an increasingly critical attitude towards the Obama administration, saying after two years in office, Obama is, "not a progressive .... He is a consummate politician."<19> Uygur has criticized the 2010 health insurance reform law as overly watered-down, owing to excessive concessions to business and conservatives in Congress, noting the deal made between Obama and the drug companies. Uygur has similarly criticized the 2010 financial reform law.

Uygur feels the Obama administration has too readily conceded to conservative ideological arguments to the point of demonstrating an unwillingness to defend liberal positions. Despite this, Uygur has stated that he intends to vote for Obama's reelection in the 2012, and has asked rhetorically, "What am I going to do, vote for a lunatic?"<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenk_Uygur

[Better Believe It]

43. What is your basis for that claim?

[ChiciB1]

47. CENK WAS A Republican... He No Longer Is!! Google Him... Then Read It! n/t

[JoePhilly]

55. Sounds like an "infiltrator" to me.

I'm pretty sure his former producer is now connected with the "Third Way".

[certainot]

80. anyone the last 30 years who was a republican has some serious personality issues

[ihavenobias]

140. I'll take that in a heartbeat over someone who *currently* pushes GOP policies

while calling himself a Democrat.

[certainot]

141. GOP policies?

he has to try to win some GOP support and could if it wasn't for limbaugh and sons being so potent, because they are ignored by the left, soem republicans would be able to compromise.

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[ChiciB1]

56. No Really, I LOVE Cenk... But I Did Google Him & It Does Say He WAS A Repuke...

Check it out. I'm with Cenk ALL THE WAY! Just thought I would relate what I read. I was shocked when I read it, but after reading ALL of it, it was great.

YAAAAAAAAA Cenk!

[Lorien]

52. Attack the messenger-you lose. nt

[Vanje]

78. + 1 !

[Jakes Progress]

84. Notice that they don't even try to discuss the message.

This is because principle has nothing to do with their loyalties. It is based completely on personality. If Obama ends the war. That is the right thing to do. If Obama expands the war. That is the right thing to do.

So they believe everything boils down to who said or did something. What they do or say doesn't matter to them. That is why they never discuss the message, the issue, the principle involved. If Obama or one his praisers says it, it is right. If someone who disagrees with Obama says it, it is wrong.

Life is very simple for them.

[MsPithy]

89. Cenk admits he was a Republican. Which is way better than Obama

who is a Republican NOW!

[_ed_]

115. I guess irrelevant information like this is much

easier than dealing with the argument he put forth. Why not just make an insult about his weight, too? It's much easier than thinking.

[Divernan]

116. Your statement is a blatant lie! Admit it! He's voted Dem. since 2000

Like most well-educated, intelligent people, his political views have changed to reflect the changing political realities.

Wikipedia:
He earned a B.S. in management from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and a J.D. from Columbia Law School.

"The 2000 election was the first time Uygur voted Democratic, supporting Al Gore. Uygur has supported Democratic congressional and presidential candidates ever since, though he frequently criticized the Democratic congressional leadership for insufficiently opposing the Bush administration on civil liberties and foreign policy issues. Uygur has criticized Blue Dog Democrats and other centrist and conservative Democrats, some of whom he has labeled as "corporatists". However, he has described former Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold, a Democrat, as "probably the only guy in the whole entire Senate we can trust". When Feingold was defeated for reelection in 2010 by Republican Ron Johnson, Uygur said Feingold had been "the best Senator we had, and we no longer have him". He has also effusively praised former Florida Congressman Alan Grayson."

On social issues, Uygur is now pro-choice on abortion, and supports LGBT rights, including same-sex marriage. In 2009, he advocated the liberalization of drug laws, arguing that the War on Drugs has been a failure, as shown by the continuing violence in Mexico and the border region. He also opposes imprisoning non-violent drug offenders for marijuana possession. He previously supported capital punishment in the United States, but now opposes it largely due to multiple exonerations of death row inmates since the reinstatement of the death penalty.

Uygur has expressed support for a return to Clinton-era income tax brackets and has criticized the 2010 Obama–GOP compromise which provided for a temporary extension of the Bush tax cuts. Uygur has stated that he favored welfare reform as enacted under Bill Clinton. He has been critical of excessive regulation, but has argued that in recent decades, regulation of the financial sector has been inadequate. In particular, he faults the deregulatory policies of Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush. He views the repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act (which Clinton signed into law}, as a major contributor to the late-2000s recession.

On national security and civil liberties issues, Uygur has strongly opposed the practices, begun under the Bush administration, of indefinite detention, warrantless wiretapping and extraordinary rendition, and believes that waterboarding is an illegal torture technique. Though Uygur has been a strong critic of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli government, he has stated that he is an advocate for a two state solution in the West Bank and has repeatedly criticized the Israeli government for its failure to materialize.

[PurityOfEssence]

31. Getting elected

For that, he'll stand fast and do just about anything. Just ask Hillary about South Carolina if this is unclear.

[emilyg]

33. Bingo.

[NNN0LHI]

38. I don't care if he has to promise to pass out hundred dollar bills and free turkeys to win

Anything is worth keeping another rapture ready Republican out of the White House.

Don

[PurityOfEssence]

88. Yes, that's true, but don't you feel even the least bit offended?

As one of the few remaining VERY early DUers, you've seen all of the interplay.

Don't you feel the least bit hijacked and abused by this administration? That's not meant as anywhere near an accusation; I'm just surprised that we have to fight so hard to sustain someone who continues Bill Clinton's idiotic quest to forge right for personal love from the unswerving reactionaries.

The horrifying net result of Obama's course is that it drags the reasonable non-right ever rightward as the right just goes for the gusto. Those who reveled in the new thrust of this administration are deeply disheartened because it is not transcendent politicking, it's the most mundane and toxic of the same old crap: soft-soaping and appeasement to duck anything difficult and curry favor. This administration, trumpeted as "new politics" reeks to the very marrow of the lamest and unthinking ward-heeling bullshit of old.

I don't want more people to turn away in rightful cynicism from our politics; that bolsters two very dangerous things: lack of turnout among the non-reactionaries and a general scofflaw feeling of disenfranchisement.

I'll probably buy a turkey, I'll vote and I'll try to sway the swayable, but this administration--and by that I mean our President--are Quislings to the spirit of pluralism. I mean that to their faces and to their eyes; it is pathetic.

Thanks for still being there, and press on.

[krispos42]

111. Well said n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

96. And you are certain he is not? nt

[Romulox]

32. Corporatism and "free trade"

:hi:

[bvar22]

34. That is the GREAT thing about "Centrism"!

Centrism.....because it is so EASY!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING,
and get to insult those who DO!
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[ljm2002]

36. "It turns out that centrists decide elections"...

...sounds familiar. Oh yeah: "It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don’t cause spills."

I give both statements equal credence.

[MsPithy]

90. "It turns out that centrists decide elections," only works if you have solidified your base.

And, you don't solidify your base by constantly "punching" them.

[RaleighNCDUer]

97. Yep. Wishy-washy no-committment centrists are drawn toward the side

that they think will win. You win with a strong base, which attracts the centrists.

[ihavenobias]

37. K & R n/t

[20score]

40. Short answer, no.

[JoeyT]

42. Free trade.

He's not going to back down on that one. He'll get more free trade if he has to sacrifice every last safety net to do it.

[WillyT]

46. HUGE K & R !!!

Yep...

:kick:

[ejbr]

48. k & r n/t

[GeorgeGist]

49. Compromise!

or else?

[erodriguez]

50. Race to the top and privatizing the public school system.

[Lorien]

53. and keeping Bush tax cuts for the rich in place. nt

[Raine]

54. Giving the rich what they want, he never bends on that. nt

[ThoughtCriminal]

57. He will not bend on bendability!

You can depend on that bendability!

Take that Princess Bendy-Straws!

[boston bean]

58. easy

the all elusive BI-PARTISANSHIP bullshit

[KoKo]

61. Who knows what he believs or doesn't believe at this point...it's muddy.

:-(

[yourout]

63. Free trade agreements are good and must stand?

[valerief]

64. He's a strong, powerful yielder. nt

[Firebrand Gary]

65. Vote for Pedro!

Why not?

[bvar22]

126. I'm with you. What could it hurt?

"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone

photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed


"By their WORKS you will know them."



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[hayrow]

68. Obama's principal seems to be attempting to accomplish "peace in our time"....

with teabaggers, republicans, Bush junta criminal operatives, and anyone else that would want to see his type lynched for seeming uppity. And a demand for unconditional surrender for those that would assist him, supported him, and elected him president in 2008.

[Jim_Shorts]

69. Cmon ,there ARE things that Obama will absolutely not bend on ever

* Bo can only sit on the old furniture... "shit , is this furniture old or new? ah, never mind"

* Bo can not sleep on the bed... "well, as long as he doesn't put his head on the pillow"

* If someone important is in the house, Bo has to stay outside... "is that guy important? well just this once"

[Johnny Noshoes]

106. Interesting picture

The dog is walking him. Tells it all.

[davidwparker]

70. Obama will cave at every opportunity.

Just read who Reid picked for the "super congress." So, how does this work. 4-2 or 5-1 ... Rupublicons get their way again?

[DeSwiss]

71. The only principle that I'm certain he possesses.....

...is the idea that he should be President.

- Not everyone agrees......

K&R

[man4allcats]

73. Everytime I log in here, I realize anew that there's NOTHING he won't cave on.

For those interested in what this country is about vs. what it was supposed to be about, read Howard Zinn's A People's History Of The United States, also available at Amazon.

[EndElectoral]

75. Capitulation.

[Rex]

76. Yes, making sure mega-corporations don't suffer at the expense

of the citizenry. That was obvious after the oil spill in the Gulf.

[certainot]

79. i'm surprised he got this much done without mass protests and considering how fairweathery his 'back

ers' turned out to be.

[bertman]

81. REC. This is just a continuation of voting "Present". I regret the day I voted for the man. nt

[russspeakeasy]

82. He places a high value on his comfortable shoes. and as soon

as he finds them....look out....shit is going to happen...

[LuvNewcastle]

85. Obama has some twisted principles.

He's like a whore who has unprotected sex and then, as a good deed, goes and donates at the blood bank.

[frylock]

86. he seems pretty unwavering on the whole killing people in afghanistan and pakistan..

stalwart and resolute even.

[Auntie Bush]

87. No wonder Washington didn't like what they hear from Cenk

He tells em like it is!

[LatteLibertine]

91. Look closely at our

coming "trade" deal with Panama. It's good stuff.

[dash_bannon]

92. On Centrism

If the president continues to cling to his centrist policy, it'll cost him the White House in 2012, and We the People the last strands of our democratic and free lives.

It's just stunning how we on the Left put Obama in the White House and he continues to kiss up to Tea Baggers.

I'm really not filled with optimism lately. Hopefully the Dems take back the state senate in Wisconsin.

It'd be nice to see us on the Left actually stand up and fight back.

[MsPithy]

93. Obama is positively rigid when it comes to

supply side economics. Yippee!

[krabigirl]

95. he does as he is told, like every other pResident.

[sfpcjock]

98. I think you get in that office and are introduced to the U.S. Shadow Government...

the first week. Then they show you the Fox "private detective" copies of your voice mail and email for the past decade. Even Cenk doesn't know what that is like. I personally would not have appointed the Goldman-Government dudes like Larry Sommers and the phony Geithner to oversee the recovery, but apparently Obama felt he had to have Goldman close. No one can guarantee what it would be like as a captive in the prison Whitehouse, even me.

[inna]

100. k&r

amused and (almost) intrigued by the absolutely ridiculous bashing directed at FDL, of all places! some pretty illustrative stuff there. :)

[Safetykitten]

102. Percentage to tip?

[whistler162]

104. Okay I think we all understand "progressives" want

to get back to the safe norm of a Republican President!

[Enthusiast]

105. I no longer feel the need to participate

in these threads. The reason being is that I know with certainty that Obama is not on my side. I will vote for someone else.

I participate because it makes me feel a little better. But I must confess, I feel that those continuing their support of Obama are downright foolish.

It is if he wants you to know that he isn't on your side. He's convinced me.

[Name removed]

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[Kolesar]

107. Yawn...eom

[SHRED]

108. He admires what Reagan did

Probably won't bend on that.


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[seeker4ever]

109. Obama is dedicated to caving in and being indignant if called out for it.

Much like the push right, lesser evil defenders.

[dotymed]

110. I can only hope that instead of causing half of the base to

stay home, it causes most of the base field a candidate. Bernie, Matt Damon..,I don't care as long as they are a real Progressive Democrat.

Then if all the votes really do count (where's that damned tooth fairy?) we might end up with a leader.

[a2liberal]

112. K&R (n/t)

[mistertrickster]

114. Yes . . . Obama will not bend on . . . COMPROMISE. He must do it always. nt

[Dad Infinitum]

122. The process is more important to Obama than the end result

That is why we are so screwed. Obama is sharing his presidency with the GOP.

[Capitalocracy]

134. Caving in on 95 to 100% of the terms is an interesting definition of "compromise"

Some might call it giving away the store.

[mistertrickster]

138. Heh . . . I agree totally. nt

[kenny blankenship]

118. Republicans get to pick the movie, the restaurant - and later, in bed, they get to come first.

Democrats must pay for the theater tickets and dinner, and have to provide for their own satisfaction manually.

[Divernan]

135. LOL! That brought back memories of my first marriage!

[Better Believe It]

136. Now that was funny!

[timefortherevolution]

119. We Clinton supporters tried to warn you! He always voted PRESENT

on all the tough issues while in Congress.

Very telling.

[Capitalocracy]

120. I've heard a lot of people say Clinton would've been better

but I have my doubts. I guess it's hard to imagine she'd be worse, but she's a very establishment politician. She's looked very bad in my eyes ever since the Honduras coup.

[Dad Infinitum]

121. She is a fighter

Doubtful she would have been a right winger on everything.

[pa28]

142. Well, that's the one thing about Hillary.

Eric would not have called her bluff.

[Better Believe It]

133. I have to agree. Her husband played a major role in Wall Street de-regulation and I've never seen

and indication that she has been opposed to that.

[KeepItReal]

123. One "No" vote on Iraq War authorization and Mrs. Clinton would be President right now

Even some contrition on her go-with-the-flow vote may have helped.

[bvar22]

124. I agree,

and I hope that she regrets that vote every single day,
along with all the other "Democrats" who placed Political Convenience above Principle.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone

photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed


"By their WORKS you will know them."



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[grahamhgreen]

127. Yes, you did!

In the end, I think Hillary is more of a straight shooter than obama.

I'd vote for her in the 2012 primary!

[MoonRiver]

128. Staying the course in Afghanistan?

:shrug:

[hifiguy]

139. I can think of one, but it ain't progressive.

He certainly believes in comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted.