The 50 Wives of Warren Jeffs:

[Bunny]

Isn't this the creepiest picture? It's purported to be a photo of all of his wives. (It looks to me like one of those photoshop things they used to do when Bush Jr. visited the troops, where there would be 10-12 of the same soldiers showing up over and over again in the picture.) These women are really pathetic and Jeffs is unspeakably evil. I'm glad the fucker got sentenced to life in prison for raping those little girls.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024150/Warren-Jeffs-trial-50-brides-bred-worship-paedophile-prophet.html

[NeedleCast]

1. Why would you call these women pathetic?

they are brainwashed from their infancy to believe Jeffs is God and raised in an environment of extreme patriarchy, where breaking from strict rules is severely punished, both mentally and physically.

Go educate yourself before you start calling people pathetic.

[seabeyond]

5. as are the men that participate. at a point in our adult life, we have to take responsibility

and the brainwashing, or circumstances how we were raised no longer factor in. these women helped, allowed and continued the brainwashing with their children.

[CatWoman]

13. hell

some of them even DEFENDED to sorry POS. :grr:

[NeedleCast]

14. I agree, but I don't think people understand the level of brain washing involved

If you haven't, do some reading on stories of women who have escaped from the FLDS. When it's all you know, and you're kept so isolated and in fear, it's very difficult to break away. Deep-seeded fear is a very powerful tool and in areas where the FLDS have a strong influence, even women who escape are often physically brought back. Their children are used to threaten them.

When you don't understand the alternatives to the life you're living, it is most difficult to break away. Ask millions of North Koreans who live in abject poverty and starvation why they continue to support their "dear leader" with they wholeness of who they are.

[seabeyond]

20. i am not saying ALL that is not true. and still, i hold to my position. these women, too

get ownership. they knew giving their girls to be raped, and the girls crying not wanting it, was wrong. just as they knew in their own experience it was wrong. it is inside, that one hears the wrong of it.

as i say, we hold the men responsible, but they too are brainwashed. we dont give them an out.

[NeedleCast]

22. The men though, have something to gain

After all, they are the machine in this case. They may be brainwashed into their belief, but they are not really kept isolated (in some cases physically confined) like the women. They are given privileged (at the whim of Jeffs). The women never are.

[seabeyond]

24. not true. the women jocky for position in all kinds of manners. an example

is the women being a part of going after the woman and her children that tried to escape. and obviously this woman knew a different way that she looked to escape. and these women are allowed outside their world and can clearly see all the many women not living their way.

i watched a program on this and a reporter that has spent decades on this and a woman that got out of it discussed the womens part in this.

[NeedleCast]

26. Yes, This is True

but it's what motivates such a thing that is important? Why do the women involved in this fundamentalist sect jockey for position? Why do they drag those who have escaped back in?

I've watched some of the same shows you've watched and read some of the same books you've probably read. As a military veteran, it reminds me of what we learn about fear and torture (both physical and emotional). You get to a point, in such an environment, when doing something ultimately bad for you is okay, because it gives temporary respite from pain or mental anguish. It is why the "grunts" in the military are told not to torture...because the answer you're going to get is probably a piece of false information given just to get a break from pain.

Same thing applies here. The sister wife who drags an escaped woman back into the FLDS might gain a temporary reward are gain some level of status - and when you're taught from your infancy that that is the highest thing you can attain, chances are good you're going to work to get it, even if it's ultimately a detriment to your situation. That's the way Jeffs and his father and the leaders of this movement control the situation.

[seabeyond]

31. you have the same thing on the opposite side with womens sexuality being controlled by men

in our society today. and you have the women that willing participate as they declare it is their freedom to chose to be oppressed and we are suppose to respect, admire, cheer them on and not dare say how it is an oppression all on its own.

why do women participate and allow that?

many reasons. and we can discuss the reasons. and still, it is what it is and helps to feed the misogyny in this world and teach it to our boys and girls conditioning them in the same manner as this group, only a society as a whole.

the boys are being conditioned, too. it behooves neither gender regardless how one may see an advantage. it is separate of the beings that we are, an unhealthy choice.

this is the same thing just more extreme.

[gratuitous]

7. "Pathetic" means to arouse sympathetic sadness and compassion

Seems an apt adjective to me. I feel the same way towards folks who are brainwashed from infancy to believe the military is good and all-powerful, and that to deviate from the accepted orthodoxy of the High Church of Redemptive Violence is to be subject to severe punishment.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

12. exactly, Bunny chose her word aptly.

[abelenkpe]

2. I feel bad for those women

Hope they move on to better lives now that he is in jail.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

3. yes, pathetic

and yet, imo, some of them are bound to be just as culpable as Jeffs himself.Those of majority age and proven not to be insane should be held accountable as well.

[NeedleCast]

4. Accountable For What?

They've been brought up in this lifestyle and the men who control them keep them as isolated and indoctrinated as possible. Would you say that the population of North Korea should be held accountable for what their leadership does?

When you know nothing else, when you live under constant threat and in constant fear, how can you be held accountable?

[CBGLuthier]

8. They are after all merely women. Can't expect them to grow a pair, right?

Bullshit on the indoctrination excuse. If, after sleeping with their god, they don't realize he is just another stinking human being then they are truly pathetic.

[NeedleCast]

15. Yeah, that's what I said

::facepalm::

[seabeyond]

9. then vick gets a pass cause that is all he knew. the person that was beaten as a kid, raised

in that environment then beats kids knew no better.

[NeedleCast]

17. No, Apples and Oranges

Vick was not indoctrinated. In fact the opposite. He had all the money and access in the world to do as he wished. Vick was not kept isolated. Not kept terrified that he would be harmed or that people would harm his children if he didn't submit to their whims. Come on.

[demmiblue]

18. Vick was not completely isolated from society.

Children that come from bad homes at least have a chance to encounter positive role models (teachers, counselors, community members, etc.).

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4954114


leave it up to the Judges and Lawyers.

North Korea as an analogy? sorry, not going there with you.

Have a good and blessed day.

peace.

[CatWoman]

16. I'm reading a book by one of these women who escaped

and guess who alerted the husband and helped hunt her down?

her so called "sister wives".

she said they even abused her children.

[NeedleCast]

21. Exactly

If the title of the book is "Escaped" I've read it as well and recommend that anyone do so before they comment on how the wives are culpable.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

23. sick and twisted and pathetic and gross out. n/t

[tabbycat31]

6. Yes the picture is creepy

However, I've read a lot of books about polygamy (I can't put the books down and wish more were written as it's a subject that fascinates me) and all these girls are brainwashed from day one.


For further reading here are a few books that I would suggest
http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Carolyn-Jessop/dp/0767927575/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1312909847&sr=8-2
http://www.amazon.com/Stolen-Innocence-Polygamous-Becoming-Breaking/dp/0061734969/ref=pd_sim_b_1
http://www.amazon.com/Stolen-Innocence-Polygamous-Becoming-Breaking/dp/0061734969/ref=pd_sim_b_1
http://www.amazon.com/Under-Banner-Heaven-Story-Violent/dp/1400032806/ref=pd_cp_b_3

I know there's more out there but this is what my library has.

[Canuckistanian]

11. I... can't process this....

This is too fucking weird.

[CatWoman]

19. they're coming to get you, Canuk

:rofl:

[Canuckistanian]

28. I'm keeping my curtains closed and my doors barred from now on.

Oh, and the cats stay inside now. :D

[Old and In the Way]

25. The Stepford Wives collection

Available in pale blue, yellow, or pink.

They are pathetic. Sorry, they have a choice and they enable freaks like Jeff. They aren't children anymore. They need to be held accountable for enabling and perpetuating a sick and demented social philosophy.

[demmiblue]

27. "... they enable freaks like Jeff."

Holy shite! :wow:

[Old and In the Way]

29. OK...probably a better choice of words would be "co-enable"

The guy doesn't get to indulge in his fantasies and perversions without the willing complicity of the wive hive.

[tabbycat31]

30. Some of them were children when they were married

Marriages in the FLDS community take place as young as 14 for a girl. They do have the option to escape, but doing so means losing contact with all of their loved ones.

[likesmountains 52]

32. I wonder what they're doing now? Did they have jobs or did he "provide"

everything for them?

[CatWoman]

33. from what I've read, most if not all of those women were on public assistance