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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:31 PM Original message |
Policy: How do we get to 20% of electricity from wind in 20 years? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. You do it by building resources to take over 1% every year. |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Thru tax policy, carbon pricing, National Mandates, or |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Emulate Denmark? |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. emulate with what policy? |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. The usual -- taxes, subsidies, loan guarantees... |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Yes, Ok, My favorite is tax policy |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
3. Windfarm Washington, DC and then open the Capital windows? |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Dammit |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. Portugal has reached near 45% using all viable renewables in about 10 years... |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. An article from last year's New York Times |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Details, excellent, thanks |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Yes. I included that link in my post. |
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kentauros (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. Deep-Offshore Wind on Tension Leg Platforms |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. I have a diary @ Kos publishing at 4pm on the AWC |
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kentauros (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I'll have to look at that this evening :) |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. AWC region, 60,000Mw in shallow areas closer to shore |
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kentauros (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Thanks! |
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DonRedwood (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
8. By getting started NOW and not putting it off! |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. 100% agreed |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
9. It could be done, but not by a country trapped in partisan gridlock. So it won't be done. nt |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Ah yes, the conundrum |
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Change Happens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
11. We need more storms? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
12. Move to somewhere where oil corporations are not part of the dictatorship? |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. oil tends to overwhelm the energy markets |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
22. Just have one giant windmill |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
23. We will hit peak oil (very expensive oil) long before the 20 years |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Vital point, use the oil and coal we have left to build the generation |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
25. bobby kennedy, jr. has been talking about this for a long time. he was at the Commonwealth Club |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. oh yeah....the major point: GET RID of ALL the SUBSIDIES for nukes, coal, and oil, and other carbon |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. 500 gigs day, non peak. |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. thanks for posting this, btw. one of the things that infuriates me most about the |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I write about this at Kos for Keynesian Kossacks |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
29. 5 recs, thanks, gotta go for a haircut be back soon. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
33. 10.5% of GDP a year needs to be spent. Every year we don't, add .5% (for simple math). |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Totally agree, for 5 yrs |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Pretty much impossible politically speaking. Shame Polywell seems to be a dud. :( |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Dud, Ahh |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. Polywell still working towards PB-11 fusion |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-10-11 06:41 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Last time I was there the big guys who seemed to know things were disenchanted. |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-10-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Many of those people are border line nuts |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
36. Actually, I'm hopeful that we will have progressed beyond windmills and solar by then. |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Plug in hybrids and EV cars will transition us to Fuel cells |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
40. I'll tell ya how |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. AS the owner of a Lake Placid BLue Fender Strat, I whole heartedly endorse this |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Oh I love that shade of blue |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Fender Blues Jr tube amp |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. I hear ya about the economy |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
41. I don't believe that is a realistic goal. |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. You skipped something, BPA has no good way t get the ppwer to where its needed, as far as I can |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. What makes matters worse, you might have an issue telling the truth about the salmon |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-10-11 06:32 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Time is an issue sometimes |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
44. By cutting energy use by 20% |
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shinyhead (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
46. Cut the middlemen out entirely |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-09-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Let me show you the state of the industry in the US |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-10-11 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
54. Move to Denmark..... |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-10-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. wiki says 19%, yeah they have taken the lead in %, not annual installed MW |
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