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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:25 PM
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The Firewall Falls
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 12:30 PM by demwing
In progressive circles, the Wisconsin recall effort was said to be the firewall or Democracy in America. Last night, the first and last line of defense against corporate takeover and control of this great country --the voters of Wisconsin--were unable to overcome voting irregularities in Waukesha County (yeah, "that" place - AGAIN), and the recall effort, which polls showed heavily favoring the Democratic Party, failed.

The Wisconsin State Senate stays under Corporate Control, and Democracy's firewall has fallen. The virus that is the corporate domination of our social, economic, and political systems has attacked and infected the heart of our country, and as it stands, no vote can change a thing. We tried that. We failed.

So do we just give up? Not a chance, too much is at risk.

Do we try the same tactics again, regardless of outcome? No, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity.

So what the hell can we do?

There are still two options open by which Americans can still challenge our fate. Two ways to inoculate against the Corporate State, so to speak. The first doesn't have my confidence, but it is the proper and correct path, so I list it. The second, in my opinion, is the only option that will work, but it will be dangerous at worst, and difficult at best.

1. Petition the Justice Department to investigate Waukesha
Elections in Waukesha seem to show a tendency toward last minute, highly questionable vote surges, which leave the GOP in power. The Justice Department must investigate this anomaly. Immediately.

But past experience has left me with no illusions that the so called "Justice" Department will lift a damn finger on this issue (that is, unless someone can show that the Republicans in Waukesha were involved in the true unforgivable crime--distribution of medical marijuana...), and since reports this morning are that Dems in Wisconsin are backing away from last evening's claims that the vote totals were tampered with, I can't see option #1 being worth a warm bucket of spit. Still, an attempt must quickly be made, and just as quickly set aside, if required. Which leaves us with Option #2:

2. Take to the streets
What does a country do when the people can't trust their employers to pay them an honest wage, can't trust the media to report facts over propaganda, can't trust their elected officials to work in the interests of the average citizen, can't trust the Supreme Court to safeguard rights enumerated in the Constitution, and can't trust that our voting process--the very blood that feeds the heart of our American experiment in self-government--has not been compromised?

We follow the path laid out in the Declaration of Independence.

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness


I no longer believe that the Government of the United States derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.

Can a child consent to a binding contract? No, they can not, because the child is not held to have the capacity to make such decisions on their own. So how can a people, endlessly overwhelmed by propaganda, be held to have the capacity to make an informed decision regarding our Government?

They can not.

But even were they able to educate themselves-strike that...even were WE able to educate OURSELVES...to somehow crawl out from beneath the weight of a non-stop barrage of corporate media influence, how can our consent be honestly measured, when the process by which our votes are tabulated is so imminently corruptible?

It cannot be measured with any confidence, and so we are left with one option.

I am not advocating that we replace our Government. I am simply stating that the Government cannot defend its claim that it continues to represent the people. If we take to the streets in protest, we have to address that basic fact, and flaw. We must walkout on this relationship we have with our elected officials until the fairness doctrine is restored, until votes are tabulated in a human process that provides a clear paper trail, and until the Supreme Court decision granting person-hood to Corporations is overturned.

We've got to take to the streets, and we've got to put our lives on the line for what we know to be correct, for all the truths we once held self-evident, and for the benefit of ourselves and our posterity.

The firewall has fallen. Protect yourself now.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:28 PM
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1. Let us know what street you're taking to, OK?
And when.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:33 PM
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2. I hear your disdain
and reject it.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:36 PM
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5. Instead, you could tell me when you're taking to that street
you wrote about and where it is. Your rejection only confirms my belief that it's all just more "let's you and him fight." But, if you have an actual plan, let me know. I'll try to be there to join you.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:44 PM
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7. Yeah, I managed to get this all figured out, on my own, since last night
this was a call for help.

You could help, or you could sit on the sideline, and snicker.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:49 PM
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12. That didn't sound like a snicker to me.
Mineral Man just wants to know where to stand in solidarity. Gee whiz
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:54 PM
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15. Read his post #6
for further context
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:35 PM
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3. I hear your disdain and share it
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:35 PM
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4. There's the fighting spirit that sets the elites a-tremblin'!
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 12:36 PM by villager
Pre-emptive "I'll be a good boy, master!" behavior will doubtless bring change we can all believe in!

:thumbsup:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:39 PM
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6. So far, not a single person whom I've asked when and where
has provided any answer. "Let's you and him fight" is not an action slogan.

Show me someone who has called for taking to the streets here on DU who has actually taken to those streets. I have not found any such thing.

I take to the streets. I take to the streets of my precinct and knock on doors to convince Democratic voters that they really, really need to go to the polls. That's the street action I take. I assume that the OP intends some other sort of action.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:46 PM
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9. The OP states we need to protest in the streets.
Your assumption is correct.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:47 PM
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10. I think the idea of "taking to the streets" asking people to please vote
...is perhaps a strategy that has lost some efficacy in terms of bringing about real change.

Instead of shooting down calls for non-electoral means of transformation, perhaps you could participate in the conversation in more positive way?

We need to start thinking along the lines of work stoppages, general strikes, etc.

this forum might be a good place for people to begin discussing means of remaking society for the rest of us, before the elites finish their task of scorching the earth around us for their few extra pieces of silver.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:51 PM
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13. Better to take to numerous streets than just one. It'll be harder to get us all with their
LRADs and water cannons. :tinfoilhat:
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 09:24 PM
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33. I lol'd when I read your response.
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 09:32 PM by sudopod
A professional writer who posts anonymously throwing off on the value of people writing things and remaining anonymous.

Alas, earwax.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:53 PM
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14. The contempt expressed in this post is repulsive.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:57 PM
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17. Not contempt. Frustration with keyboard revolutionaries.
There have been so many, for so many years. They were around in the 1960s, during the civil rights and anti-war movements. There is always a surfeit of them. I'm an old man, now. My days of that kind of street activism are over, but I still recognize the signs. It's easy to write. It's harder to go out to the street. I know, because I've done both.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:15 PM
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19. You're assuming. You have no idea what the OP has done in person.
For someone who looooooooooooooves to regale DU with stories of his own precinct-walking adventures, you seem awfully quick to judge that someone else is merely a "keyboard revolutionary."

Some can write, and some can walk, and some can do both. All are needed for change to occur.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:18 PM
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21. That's why I asked for a time and place.
I assume nothing. I ask.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 02:17 PM
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24. Pull the other one.
You might consider updating the "gee whiz" schtick. "I'm just saying" is all the rage these days.

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/18/132160770/its-rude-its-crude-its-stupid-just-sayin
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:16 PM
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20. And now you're jaded
And while there's been a lot to create that jaded feeling, you shouldn't condemn a person for getting fired up. You have NO IDEA where such things can go, but if you're tired of seeing them go nowhere, then help. We need your help, not your disdain. We need your help.

And if I do find a street and a time, I'll be sure to let you know.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:21 PM
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23. Thank you for letting me know. I'm sure there are good
activist organizations where you live. They can probably help you find some street activism events where you are.

I'm not jaded. I'm still working. I have not given up on voting. I will not, either. So, that's where my activism is now. It used to be on the street in other ways.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 08:37 PM
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29. Will you commit to helping, Mineral Man?
if I find a way to significantly start a ball rolling, will you be there?

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 02:19 PM
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25. Glad someone said it.
Makes ya wonder.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 02:24 PM
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26. wonder what?
Have you read the rest of the thread? He has explained himself quite well.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 05:18 PM
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27. Says you.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 05:20 PM
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28. That's quite an astute observation.
:applause:
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 08:41 PM
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30. Stop it
Mineral man and I have talked privately, and he has offered some helpful advice.

If anyone has anything to add, bring it. I'm tired of watching the world slip away. If I go do, I'm going down on my own two feet, not my knees.

But I need help, not negativity. What can you contribute?
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 09:02 PM
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31. Is that posted in the right place?
Either way, who do you think you are? Anyone can post whatever they want, as long as it's within the rules.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 09:21 PM
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32. If anyone can post anything they want...
Then I'm the guy asking you to help. Do you have anything to contribute?
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 09:41 PM
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34. Stop it
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 10:56 PM
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35. EXACTLY what I thought
you have nothing but criticism.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:45 PM
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8. Good OP, well written!
Protesting can work!
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:48 PM
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11. honesltly what else do we have?
We tried to work within the system, and the system is broken. People are subject to intense propaganda and vote against their interests, and vote tabulations are suspect.

Time to try something else.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 12:55 PM
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16. People don't do desperate things until they have nothing left....
despite the American Dream being dead, most people I know are too busy trying to hold on to what they have to "hit the streets" in protest. You suggest, maybe demand that we put our lives on the line...how many people that YOU know, who are NOT desperate, will do this?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:20 PM
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22. I'm desperate. Most of the people I know are in the same economic circumstances
and they are desperate too.

You have to start a movement somewhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V74AxCqOTvg
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 01:12 PM
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18. If there's ANYTHING, EVER, that's worth being a single-issue voter, it's honest elections
We know how to make honest, verifiable elections. It's cheap and simple, and lots of places have lots of variations. All work well. There's no excuse for voting systems that CAN be gamed from the INSIDE, even if it's HARD.

I think it's worth making it a national issue. Because on the local level, where elections are often 'nonpartisan', it's relatively easy to pressure Dems into supporting it. Once there's a solid base of politicos, not just citizens, committed to honest election systems, it's an easy sell to pretty much all the public.

Of course, the corporate media will, to a drone, be against you, but it's going to take a new Fairness Doctrine to fix that, which probably requires a new Supreme Court, which could be done if a certain Justice faced prosecution for fairly obvious criminality... but that's getting a bit off track.
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