Why Were Exit Polls Blocked in Wisconsin? High Voter Turnout ALWAYS Points to Democratic Wins

[pissed in WI]

This is the tea party



This is the People of Wisconsin


Any questions?

This recall ‘election’ is a farce. There is absolutely no way of verifying this election and every way for Walker’s minions to easily steal it via a computer and 5 minutes.

Wisconsin Activists easily got the required signatures for these recall elections, when the Republicans needed signatures, they hired and bused in felons from Colorado and still couldn’t get enough signatures and had to cheat.

Republicans all across Wisconsin have united with Democrats AGAINST Walker and his fascist policies. He is hated by both parties because he is attacking people from all walks of life. He is protested at every event he speaks at, with more protesters than attendees. He was booed the entire time he attempted to speak last weekend at the state fair. How did Republicans up for recall get more votes than last election? After everything that has happened? Are you really going to buy this bullshit People of Wisconsin?

Turnout was reportedly very high, nearing or even exceeding rates from the 2008 Presidential election in some areas. “It’s astronomically high,” according to Matt Rothschild, Editor of The Progressive in Madison, WI,

[MineralMan]

1. Not always, it doesn't.

Depends on the electorate in the district. In WI, this election could have brought out a lot of Republicans who were voting the "Oh, no you don't" ticket. And turnout at street events doesn't predict election results. It really doesn't.

We took two state Senate seats away from Republicans. It's a good result. I'd have preferred three or more, but it was a win, nevertheless.

[INdemo]

5. So there is yet another special election next Tuesday that Democrats could win two

more seats..Did I hear this right on the Ed show yesterday?

[former9thward]

8. No. Democrats are defending those seats.

[Brother Buzz]

9. The Dems can win back the two seat they already have, or loose them

Worse case scenario: gain two seat and loose two.

[GillesDeleuze]

10. no, dems defending the seats they already have

[pissed in WI]

15. empowered by the recent theft of this election

they will steal those two right back...just watch...all part of the plan....

[Broderick]

24. They could win two they already own, BUT

they will likely lose one of those, and after the results yesterday it might mean they lose BOTH.

A NET OF ZERO.

We have been duped and distracted in resources, energy and money!!!!!

Other states are doing worse, and they did it under the cloak of no scrutiny because we were sidetracked.

And we set a new precedent we will pay for I believe. Don't like election results, waste resources recalling when elections are frequent.

This sucks, and sucks bad.

[MineralMan]

26. In that election, the Democrats are the ones defending their

seats from a recall, so they need to hold the seats to avoid losing them.

[EFerrari]

2. It was just one of those coincidences that always favors Republicans.

[Recursion]

3. Not really

2008* 231,229,580 NA 132,618,580* 56.8
2006 220,600,000 135,889,600 80,588,000 37.1
2004 221,256,931 174,800,000 122,294,978 55.3
2002 215,473,000 150,990,598 79,830,119 37.0
2000 205,815,000 156,421,311 105,586,274 51.3
1998 200,929,000 141,850,558 73,117,022 36.4
1996 196,511,000 146,211,960 96,456,345 49.1
1994 193,650,000 130,292,822 75,105,860 38.8
1992 189,529,000 133,821,178 104,405,155 55.1
1990 185,812,000 121,105,630 67,859,189 36.5
1988 182,778,000 126,379,628 91,594,693 50.1
1986 178,566,000 118,399,984 64,991,128 36.4
1984 174,466,000 124,150,614 92,652,680 53.1
1982 169,938,000 110,671,225 67,615,576 39.8
1980 164,597,000 113,043,734 86,515,221 52.6
1978 158,373,000 103,291,265 58,917,938 37.2
1976 152,309,190 105,037,986 81,555,789 53.6
1974 146,336,000 96,199,0201 55,943,834 38.2
1972 140,776,000 97,328,541 77,718,554 55.2
1970 124,498,000 82,496,7472 58,014,338 46.6
1968 120,328,186 81,658,180 73,211,875 60.8
1966 116,132,000 76,288,2833 56,188,046 48.4
1964 114,090,000 73,715,818 70,644,592 61.9
1962 112,423,000 65,393,7514 53,141,227 47.3
1960 109,159,000 64,833,0965 68,838,204 63.1

Doesn't really seem to be much correlation at all

[pissed in WI]

4. With both Republicans and Democrats turning against Walker

how did they win these recall elections?

[KittyWampus]

6. Republicans winning in Republican districts. With lots of money.

[lpbk2713]

7. Here's a typical T-bagger gathering ...

More Porta-Potties than people. :rofl:

[mvd]

11. LOL

Good one. :rofl:

[pissed in WI]

12. seriously perfect representation

why is the entire nation being coerced by their demands like they are the mafia or something?

[jeff47]

13. In a statewide contest, you might be right. But these were not statewide elections

These were elections held in districts that elected these Republicans in 2008. It was a massive wave election for Democrats, and these 6 districts elected Republicans. So high turnout doesn't necessarily favor the Democrats.

[pissed in WI]

14. oh bullshit

no one was motivated to go out and vote to support walker and his fascist takeover.

Bull fucking shit.

Who the hell believes this, I cannot imagine.

Look at the tea party, they have no support.

When Koch paid Sarah Palin over 100,000 to speak to people in madison, the drew a crowd of 200 maybe. It was pathetic.

The are a fake majority, bought and paid for by the Koch brothers, and the media is paid to create and perpetuate the myth.

Look at that picture.

One teabagger, all news readers present, all over the corporate 'news'

[jeff47]

16. Again, you are speaking of a broader groups of people.

Not these relatively small and very Republican districts. When the state overwhelmingly voted for Obama, these districts overwhelmingly voted for these Republican senators.

The fact that we won in 2 of them and almost won in 2 others is actually a huge upset. Which is why Walker is now talking about having to compromise with Democrats.

[AndyTiedye]

17. The Teabaggers Have the Support…

…of Diebold voting machinez everywhere. :grr:

[Rex]

19. Good thing we never nipped that problem in the butt.

:sarcasm:

[ya sure]

31. exactly

why is it the whole nation, the whole world is being held subject to the demands of ...these very few people representing the corporations, bought and paid for with election fraud.

[PeaceNikki]

18. Walker has an eighty-seven percent approval rating with Republicans.

And they vote. More than we Democrats do.

So... yeah, you're wrong.

[ya sure]

32. Sarah palin could barely draw a crown in Wisconsin

Public employees, those who have been screwed over by Walker, come from all walks of life.

REPUBLICANS are just as likely to be public employees as Democrats. There have been many many many Republicans in Wisconsin speaking out about how pissed off they are at Walker. I am suprised that you do not know this.

87% approval rating came from "Rove's Bargain Basement instapoll.com"

[PeaceNikki]

20. You clearly are not on top of things here in WI.

Walker's approval rating is 87% with Republicans and they vote. This is the most polarized place in the nation. To think that these elections would be easy is quite unreasonable.

[AndyTiedye]

21. So Why No Exit Polls Then?

You are in Wisconsin, can you answer the central question in the OP? What happened to the exit polls and why?

[PeaceNikki]

23. The exit polls that were shut down were breaking election law.

The group that tried in the primary used literature deemed electioneering AND were polling people ENTERING. I know yesterday's attempt was too close to the entry (and possibly other violations).

I don't know why other groups didn't. I was busy working on a committee to observe the pols.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

33. I've been following this closely and know that EDA didn't poll people on their way into the polls.

They were telling people going in that they had an exit poll going, so if people wanted to partake they could after they voted.

[Imajika]

25. Do the media even bother running exit polls for state senate elections?

These are not national or even statewide elections, so what makes you think there would be exit polls in the first place?

You know exit polls aren't the law or something right? Media organizations decide where they want exit polling from, usually statewide or national elections, and then hire a service to help them do it (used to be called VNS I think).

[AndyTiedye]

27. These Have a Bit More National Import Than Most State Senate Elections

[foo_bar]

28. the media didn't, but "EDA" did (or tried to, in one case)

At West Kindergarten Center, voters faced inquiries from an exit polling group, which the city clerk said acted within state election rules.

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Outside West, voters faced inquiries from volunteers with a nationwide group called the Election Defense Alliance. They passed out a "Wisconsin Citizens' Written Exit Poll."

The single sheet asked voters to state their party affiliation and mark whether they voted for Olsen or Clark, and whether they voted in 2008.
Baraboo resident Rose Lee said she didn't like being confronted by the pollsters and voiced her concerns to them. She said she didn't know how the record of her vote would be used. "I'm very unhappy that someone out here is asking who you voted for," Lee said.

http://www.wiscnews.com/baraboonewsrepublic/news/article_7ca30e58-c2fc-11e0-8008-001cc4c03286.html

In Butler, village officials and poll observers from the Election Defense Alliance worked out an accommodation to allow exit polling in Butler Tuesday morning.

Jonathan Simon, executive director of the Alliance, had a different view, said his workers were looking to interview voters leaving the polls inside the village hall and have them verify their vote. The organization planned to compare the exit polls with the ballot totals, in an attempt to uncover fraud.

The difficulties in the early hours prevented the observers from gathering enough data to serve their purpose, Simon said.

Village Administrator Jesse Thyes said the exit poll takers were moved to the sidewalk for safety reasons and to provide a free flow of voters in and out of the village hall.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127308863.html

Today, things are going a bit better for EDA's pollsters, in all but one polling site where the volunteers were met by police first thing this morning.
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It took a number of hours to hear back from the G.A.B. and accommodations were finally made to allow the pollsters to do their work some 30 feet away from the exit.

"It was negotiated out," said Simon, "but from a practical standpoint, by the time it was negotiated out, those numbers are gonna be useless."

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8661

I didn't see the (non-Butler) results posted anywhere (like http://electiondefensealliance.org/topics/exit_polls), so I'm guessing they didn't find anything noteworthy or we'd see a press release with 5-alarm drudge sirens (unless the election was stolen in one precinct, but even without the rest of Waukesha, Pasch would have lost: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2011/by_county/WI_Page_0809.html?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=POLITICS)

[OnTheOtherHand]

30. hoisting a glass to you

Actually, it's more EDA's style to wait a while, then publish an "analysis" that purports to demonstrate that, darn it, we got robbed again. Nice people, but they haven't exactly taken political science by storm.

[Imajika]

22. McGovern got massive crowds in 72'..

We all know how that worked out.

Sorry, the ability to draw large crowds doesn't necessarily mean much.

And what are these exit polls you claim were blocked? First I am hearing of it.

"There is absolutely no way of verifying this election and every way for Walker’s minions to easily steal it via a computer and 5 minutes."

There are a couple of Wisconsin DUers here who worked these elections, there is no evidence of any computer theft of the election. None.

[lynne]

29. Not necessarily -

- it was an election held in the good weather of summer, not the cold, ice and snow of November. This topic has been in the news for months and people of all political stripes apparently decided to come out and play. Recall elections are an emotional thing. Even those who didn't bother to go out and vote at the last election will come out to defend or support their candidate during a recall.