Pulling my hair out over people not understanding WI

[N7Shepard]

Few things:

1. Yes this was a victory. It was a win by 1 point and not a rout though.

2. The WI democrats facing recall, Bob Wirch and Jim Holperin are both expected to win. With Wirch it's expected to not even be close.

3. While the Senate might be officially still in republican control, it's RINO now. We have Dave Schultz and a few other squishy republicans (Wanggaard for one). I don't think we'll be seeing any 17-16 along party lines bills going through.

4. Walker is scared. He is already talking about compromising with the dems. Does that sound like a man emboldened by last night's results or a man who is scared?

5. We can start the recalls of the 2010 republicans in the senate and Walker in 3 months

6. Again, we booted out 2 republicans. They're gone. Those are 2 less we have to win next time!

7. This was a first down (nothing wrong with that, not everything has to be a 99 yard pass). It was progress. It's less to win next time. It doesn't treat the wound but it stopped the bleeding. Even if we won all 6 it would just stopped the bleeding with a republican assembly and republican governor.

[EFerrari]

1. WI is an inspiration.

:kick:

[valerief]

8. +1000

[gkhouston]

14. Yes, and some people are trying very hard to diminish that. n/t

[EFerrari]

15. They can bite me. n/t

[elocs]

63. Yes, evidently there are some new DUers who are making it their purpose for being here. n/t

[AmBlue]

92. Those are DU-INOs...

DUers In Name Only.

:rofl:

[elocs]

107. You know, that would have been funnier if I had said that.

:bounce:

[vanbean]

79. Please explain. Are there still more recalls coming soon? And if so, where and when?

Are they all in the WI Senate? I would sure like to know.

Thanks is advance.

[AmBlue]

91. That's true, but we know better.

And you know who else knows better? All the teachers, the firefighter, the police, and union workers NATIONWIDE. That's what "they" are afraid of, and THAT's why they're trying to diminish this very important and highly instructive victory. Don't be disheartened by it! Their attempts to diminish this victory means they are threatened.

We know better. And all the fine union folks out there know better. All we have to do is keep up the fight.

I loved it when I heard that in Broward County, Florida (Fort Lauderdale area) the police and firefighters were having a "Switch Your Party Party"!! They even had the Elections office there to take applications. Make no mistake, it was for Rs to switch their party affiliation. If they had had a party called "Anything But Rick Scott" that would have been the overwhelming favorite!!

[seeviewonder]

28. Now on to Ohio!

Woot!

[RaleighNCDUer]

83. Does Ohio have a recall process? nt

[femrap]

93. Unfortunately, no....

however, we will be voting in November on Bill SB5 which was to get rid of teachers, police, firefighters unions.

I hope we can do as well as WI.

Go Wisconsin! You give us inspiration.

[paulkienitz]

35. + an additional 1000

[Raksha]

47. Definitely - an inspiration to the whole country.

[L. Coyote]

66. An a HUGH warning to the rest of the Tea Partiers, not to mention

a turning point in their popularity. They have been stripped naked and their ALEC agenda has been revealed to the whole country, reality replacing the freedom faux rhetoric (lies).

[ChairmanAgnostic]

94. Seriesly!

Only morans don't get it.

[harmonicon]

68. Is it? I find the entire situation to be really depressing.

I think recalls are completely absurd. If we're going to have fixed terms for politicians, we should respect that. I think it's absurd to want it both ways; either you vote people in, or you vote them out. How much money was spent on this? How much will be spent on the next one? Too much.

[electropop]

78. It's an emergency situation - WI was being attacked by its government.

"Fixed" terms or no, the state had to save itself. WI put recalls in their Constitution for just such emergencies.

[harmonicon]

82. The problem is that it can cut both ways.

What do you think is going to happen the next time dems take power there? Republicans are vindictive bastards. They will do all they can to recall every single one of them.

[electropop]

85. Perhaps. But they won't get the votes.

Especially now that voters have seen what a danger the Republicans are.

[harmonicon]

90. Oh, BS.

They got the votes in the first place. The problem is that the people who voted the bastards in are fucking idiots. Republicans want to fuck over workers and cut government spending? You don't say. What a shocker.

[louis-t]

101. And now it seems the repigs are trying to

strip the ability to do recalls from WI voters.

[xxqqqzme]

84. And the people in Michigan

are being run over by the giant, life sucking money machine as well. If they don't stand up to it, it will suck the life right out of that state (and Ohio and New Jersey - look at Florida to see the fuyure.

[KittyWampus]

2. Congratulations for all your hard work. Glad it paid off. We are all proud of you. Please know that

some people posting on the internet do not have Democrats best interests at heart- despite whatever facade they use.

[Ruby the Liberal]

3. I like #4 - a lot!

Do you have a local link to his backtracking? That would be delicious.

Although I am disappointed about the 8th district, I was thrilled to see the community so animated, and for MONTHS. Well done WI!

:applause:

[N7Shepard]

5. Here you go

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/127457238.html

Madison -- Gov. Scott Walker said results from Tuesday's recall elections show voters are on board with Republican efforts but that they want the two parties to work together.

The message from his election in November was that voters wanted leaders to focus on jobs and fix the state budget, he said.

“They still want that, particularly on jobs, but they also want us to do more working together,” he said Wednesday in an interview.

[Ruby the Liberal]

11. Yay!! Way to walk it back.

:rofl:

[drm604]

19. Oh sure,

then, when the Democrats refuse to give them everything they want the Republicans will say that they're not willing to cooperate and work together "like the people want".

This isn't him backtracking, it's empty political rhetoric.

[54anickel]

39. This from the guy who was unreachable by phone for a Dem, but a fake Koch...now that's

another story! Now it's all about bi-partianship...riiiiiight.

[Scuba]

7. Here ya go...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127479653.html

[Ruby the Liberal]

12. Oh sweet, sweet schadenfreude.

:D

[TheBigotBasher]

4. Congratulations to the people of Wi

for showing others how to fight back.

[Firebrand Gary]

6. We did a great job! We have more work to do, lets get after it folks.

We move forward.

[murielm99]

9. I think a lot of DUers understand.

So do Wisconsin Democrats.

The problem is with the traditional media. They are spinning it as a loss. We are less than twenty-four hours from this election, and I have already explained many of your points to my fellow community members.

Most of them should understand this better, especially the Democrats. Madison is not that far from here. The 14 came to this area when they went into exile. We should know the issues and how things work.

I curse the traditional media, owned and co-opted by repubbie gazillionaires!

[RBInMaine]

74. The Pukes LOSE 2 seats, Dems GAIN two seats, and yet it is a Dem "loss"? Corporate shit spin.

[truedelphi]

103. Thank you for your assesment

Living on the West Coast, and somewhat using the corrupted Mainstream Media for news on this election, it gets easy to be persuaded by their rhetoric.

Am very proud of all liberal Wisconsinites for showing us what can be done.

[mmonk]

10. I get it. Wisconsinites did as well as could be expected and it is a bittersweet

victory with the only short coming being getting 2 instead of 3. The people did well.

[riverwalker]

13. Wisconsin Heros, all

walking point for the rest of the country, leading us through the minefield. Years from now, history will say "it all started in Wisconsin".
I, for one, am eternally grateful to you all.:loveya:

[Botany]

16. Well getting 2 out of the 6 was good because ....

.... 2 of the races were very long shots .... the republican state senators had run unchallenged in their previous election ....

[Gin]

17. way to go Wisconsinites........next one is walker

Walker says he'll focus on bipartisanship.........:)

[charmay]

18. I agree!

I was disappointed last night, but did a lot of thinking today. I'll be happy with ousting Kapanke and Hopper for now. I'll just work that much harder to recall Walker and take back the assembly in 2012.

[postulater]

20. Well said.

And in a Walker recall the entire state will be able to vote. These six recalls were in the most Republican districts in the state. The whole rest of the state is itching to be able to vote against Walker.

[fishwax]

76. yeah, the statewide Walker recall will really tell the tale

:kick:

[Warpy]

21. Actually, they did better than I thought

because I knew all those 2010 voters who voted for idiots would be back (hunh! Not gonna tell ME what to do!) supporting the same idiots and a lot of people out there are a little iffy about recalls, in general, since it's usually a mean spirited do over of an election the other party just didn't like. I wish they'd gotten rid of Alberta Darling, but I suppose she'll be in there reminding people why they should never vote for Republicans for the rest of her term.

And yes, this is going to make things in the Senate much tighter for Walker and he's going to have to start playing nice instead of riding roughshod to push his radical agenda.

In any case, it wasn't a loss. It just wasn't enough of a victory to flip control of the Senate.

Maybe next year.

[Generic Other]

22. Wisconsin is on the front lines and did not retreat! You guys are heroes!

[socialindependocrat]

23. WITHOUT A DOUBT - VOTE THEM OUT!!! BYE, BYE WALKER n/t

[caty]

24. I think the fact that

Wisconsin Dems didn't get the BIG win they hoped for will get more Dem voters out next time.

[sendero]

25. With all of the stuff going on nationally...

... and in Europe and Britain, I did not have time to really understand WI.

I appreciate your synopsis.

[undeterred]

26. 8. We have Russ Feingold on the bench.

:bounce: And he is going to kick Scott Walker's ass in January. :bounce:

[N7Shepard]

33. While I'd love for this to be true - is he willing?

[undeterred]

56. He was waiting for the results of the recall elections to decide.

Its a very real possibility. He said he will announce his plans around Labor Day.

[DirkGently]

27. A worthy fight and a worthy result.

[Lifelong Protester]

29. I'm with you, and I thank all the folks that respect and 'get' our

hard work.

We worked our butts off. We donated time, money, knocked on doors, and all that organizing!

We marched in the cold, cold of February. FEBRUARY!!! It is damn cold here in February. I could not feel my feet after standing out in the cold for 8 hours. But I wouldn't have missed it. I did not want to miss Jesse, I did not want to miss sending a message. I did NOT want to miss the occupation of the capitol.

Again, thanks for all of you who get it. We are not backing down, we are energized to keep on!!

[FourScore]

30. Congratulations WI!!!

[davsand]

31. Wisconsin took TWO seats in Republican districts--HELL YEAH that is a victory!

Dunno what it is like in other states, but any time I see a win for the Dems in what is traditionally a Republican district, I count that as a huge win. Here in Illinois our districts are usually drawn to favor one party or the other. THAT is how our political system works. Some call it corrupt, but it is a fact of our lives, and denial does nobody any good.

If your organizers can overcome a district drawn to favor the opposition you beat the odds big time. The fact that you even GOT to the point of forcing recall elections in so many districts speaks volumes about just how pissed off your voters are at how things are going, and it speaks volumes about how good your ground game is up there.

My hat is off to all you Dems up there!


:hi:



Laura (a FIB)

[AlbertCat]

37. Wisconsin took TWO seats in Republican districts--HELL YEAH that is a victory!

Sure... but 2 outta 6 is is not even average. It's not much of a victory and that should be realized instead of twisting and spinning it into some kind of epiphany.

But don't get too bent out of shape. WI Repugs are like Repugs everywhere who would vote for Kali or Ghenghis Khan before they voted for a liberal. They're hopeless.

But it's not over and it is true Repugs are a bit more vulnerable.

[grahamhgreen]

32. Kick!

[hfojvt]

34. it's Dale Schultz, and is he really a moderate?

I never cared for the guy, and he was my state senator for probably six years or so.

I don't see it as a win. Supposedly the people were fired up because Walker crossed a line. Well three of those Republicans won landslide victories, so it does not seem like he crossed lines for lots of people. It looks kinda like we still do not have a message that will sell except to the usual faithful. Especially coming right after the debt ceiling debacle, and Republicans can still win elections by 16+ points.

[999998th word]

40. The GOTP corporate 'front groups'dumped over 50,000,000

thats fifty MILLION dollars in these races, and that is just a drop in the bottomless bucket, to them.

Not to mention every dirty trick in their ALEC- Club for Growth, AFP etc.....,toolbox, playbook.. Most of this has been documented here.

THAT is what we were up against, and STILL picked up 2 seats.---Still we must work on protecting 2 more of our own, next week , Holperin and Wirch.

[w4rma]

87. If he's not, he'll out himself and make it easier to defeat him. (nt)

[CreekDog]

36. K&R...not to mention it was done through strength, not weakness

anyone who thinks Democrats can't stand up for themselves and win --Wisconsin shows they are wrong.

[12ZTR]

38. I must be insane.

BOYCOTT,BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT? The REP.CON.NEO.BAGGERS have the absolute right to their beliefs & I have the absolute right to not spend any more money than necessary in their place of business or with their supporters.
The R.C.N.B want to eliminate entitlements.Works for me.You are no longer entitled to receive any of my money at your place of business.Is the LOSS of my revenue getting your attention?

Alright you liberals, you have absolute control of what money you still have.WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO DO???? Make lists of these businesses you choose to avoid?

There is no way this could work in WisCONsin. Do not say VIRAL!

[Samantha]

41. Stop pulling out your hair - everyone does understand Wisconsin

The people who truly celebrate along with you have watched the story all along. We realize that to take back 2 seats in strong Republican territory through the recall process and to come within 5,000 votes of taking Darling's seat is something of a political miracle. Those who paint the picture in other colors do so deliberately, not because they don't understand, but to in a way rhetorically negate what just happened to those who did not follow the chain of events. Some of these people want to spin the story because the outcome does not fit with the picture they want drawn.

Congratulations to all of you who worked so hard in Wisconsin. You did yourselves and your State proud.

Sam

[tcaudilllg]

45. It's not a political miracle.

I'm not saying the Dems failed. It's not the Dems who failed. It is the moderates who have failed, by failing to see the character flaws in these men. It's the moderates, and the disaffecteds who no longer vote, who have weakened America.

[Samantha]

71. Well I disagree

This battle was fought in a steeply entrenched Republican territory. There was no playbook to read from considering the scant history of Wisconsin recalls. The fact the voters seized back two seats from the Republicans, ejected them from their jobs in the middle of their terms, and scored as well as they did in the other races historically is a magnificent accomplishment. I really do not like to see or hear people diminish it. So we just disagree on this.

Sam

[oldhippydude]

51. hear hear..

a lot of folks are celebrating,in a muted sort of way... congrats you Badger folks who pulled this off, against incredible odds, you are to be commended

[AllyCat]

42. Thank you for saying (and more) what I have been trying to tell people all day

Sure, we wanted the whole thing, but we did well. It's okay. Just keep your eye on the prize and keep on fighting. These people are scared or the Koch Bros never would have poured the money into the state that they did and Scotty would never have gone into hiding.

Just keep it up folks! We cannot stop. Quitting is NOT a viable option.

[54anickel]

43. Thanks so much for this positive thread. Very much appreciated, especially tonight. n/t

[JoeyT]

44. Y'all have a surplus of awesome.

You can't expect a rout in gerrymandered districts. That's why they gerrymandered them in the first place. Tack on election or voter fraud (Whichever the pre-election shenanigans would be called) and this was damn near doing the impossible.

You even shook the bastards up in other states a little bit.

[electropop]

80. I think the term is "election tampering."

It's not precisely fraud in the machines, ballots, counting etc (that I am aware of). But they tampered with the minds of voters, using disinformation campaigns and intimidation.

It is most certainly not "voter fraud" - i.e. individual voters acting fraudulently. That's a term used by those (i.e. Republicans) who hate voters.

[indurancevile]

46. what compromise is walker talking about? (don't mean that in an aggressive way,

just hadn't heard that)

[999998th word]

48. Not proffering the olive branch I'm sure

No peace offering there since he had the HUBRIS to have a ceremony to sign that onerous redistricting map into law ,in front of a crowd on the DAY of the recall elections.

It wasn't necessary for him to sign it @ all for it to become law.That was him putting his arrogance on full display.

Douche move =Walker is a douchebag.

[Enthusiast]

49. I won't be satisfied until

all the NAZI governors are wondering why they are no longer governors. I mean Walker, Kasich, Snyder and Scott.

[lunatica]

50. Some people want to always cave when they don't win 100%

They're the "I give up" kind that want all or nothing. The ones who see a glass half empty and thus they just want to break the glass rather than try to fill it with more water.

If a baseball player doesn't immediately get a home run in the first inning then it's a weak team that sucks and you might as well turn your back on them and go home in disgust because obviously they've already lost the game.

[bigbrother05]

54. BTW batting .333 is considered a damn good average ...

Edit to add: especially when you're playing in their ballpark against their star pitchers

[sybylla]

57. We actually did better than .333 if you count the Dem win in July.

Everyone seems to forget we protected Sen. Hansen's seat, too.

So 4 out of 7 is? .571

[bigbrother05]

88. Think that's 3 for 7, .429, but could be 5 for 9 soon. nt

[truedelphi]

105. Oh mi gawsh - if only my Giants could get

That Kind of batting stats.

Thank you for putting this into the "summer" vocabulary of the national sport

[tclambert]

52. Republicans will claim complete vindication, though.

All they care about is winning. If they steal an election by one vote, say 5 to 4 on the Supreme Court, they will act as if this "mandate" justifies their most radical agenda.

[malaise]

53. Excellent post

Rec

[jerseyjack]

55. "The democrats facing recall, Bob Wirch and Jim Holperin are

both expected to win. With Wirch, its expected to not even be close."

....that is until Kathy Nikolaus turns in the votes she just found.

(Save your fingers, I know, they are not her district.)

[Chimichurri]

58. k&r

[TheKentuckian]

59. Making gains is far from a debacle, obviously turning the legislature was the goal

but this is unusual movement mid-cycle.

[disillusioned73]

60. Congrats to WI...

a lot of people were disappointed( myself included), but once they take a serious look at the dynamics of the situation. They will realize what a huge win & statement this was/is. The Repubs and their corporate whores in the media can try and spin this all they want.. but behind closed doors they are shitting down their sanctimonious legs.

Onward, Wisconsin!!

[swilton]

61. You win a war by winning a lot of battles

The kind of problem that has been created is not remedied by a 'quick fix' which although suitable for sound-bites has a limited shelf-life and is not a solution...Remember the tortoise and the hare -

[October]

62. Great post! So proud of Wisconsin!

Thank you for this post. I'm trying hard to stay informed because I am riveted and inspired by the spirit/fight I see in Wisconsin Dems.

Again, excellent post.

[Ozymanithrax]

64. Now, if the other 49 states could work half as hard to defend the rigths...

of workers, we would be in good shape.

[ejbr]

65. k & r !! n/t

[Patiod]

67. Lawrence O'Donnell got it

Last night he said what you said, and I thought "huh?"

He explained how it was a win, albeit a narrow one, and then explained why. And yet I thought we "lost" in WI, or that's what CNN, Westinghouse broadcasting, and even NPR told me.

[Harriety]

69. You did great Wisconsin! You people are amazing! Thank-you.....

[Jackpine Radical]

70. 8. The 2 wins were in districts carried by Republicans in 2008--

which was otherwise a very good year for Democrats in WI.

That is, we went into 6 Republican strongholds & converted 2 of them.

Hell no, the fight ain't over.

[Larkspur]

72. It's half-time now

First quarter was the massive protests in Madison.
Second quarter was the Supreme Court and the 6 recall elections.
We're at half time now
Third Quarter is the 2 Dem elections, 2010 Repub recall elections and gathering signatures for recalling Walker.
Fourth Quarter is Walker's recall election.
Overtime is the 2012 election.

[Pacifist Patriot]

73. There's a lot of all or nothing thinking these days.

I think that's one of the problems with the progressive mindset, and I suffer from it too. We're not quite as patient as our right-wing opponents. Look at what they did at the local level for decades to prep their national office holders.

[noel711]

75. I love you Wisconsin, and always have!

Ever since summers with Grandma in the north woods...

I am so proud of all the work this year has produced!

My prayers are for you to continue to do the right thing,
and inspire other states to be bold!

I hear all the naysayers...but they don't understand Wisconsin...
the state of neighbors who care.
Wisconsinites are always kind, courteous and compassionate even with
those with whom they disagree.

There is rarely an 'in-your-face' attitude that we find here on the
east coast. The naysayers don't understand that.

On Wisconsin... keep on showing us how to 'do it.'

[divvy]

77. It's easy .... Democratic Leadership only sends plea's for money .... they dont fight

Especially if it means fighting for you or me.

[BiggJawn]

81. You Cheeseheads unhorsed 2 ReTHUGs in their "friendly" districts.

You guys killed BIG TIME!
Now go get that bastard Walker!

Piss on anyone who says the Democrats lost.

[IDeClaire]

86. Some state senate seats are up for grabs in 2012 too

Of course I have mixed feelings about Tuesday, having worked hard to recall Cowles in district 2 since the very beginning of March, but primarily am upbeat about what we accomplished and what still remains to be done. It was pointed out to me that Robert Cowles is up for reelection in 2012. He may or may not choose to run again, and might even be opposed this time around.

I was an election observer in 5 polling places on August 9. It meant lots of driving but am glad to have had the opportunity. I would really like to know what happened in Waukesha - surely there must have been teams from each campaign, the League of Women Voters, etc?

The new Voter ID bill has already made it harder for students to register. There were four college students who could not produce a fee receipt in addition to their student photo IDs (which had no addresses on them) and thus weren't eligible. One student was able to produce a bill with his name on it but the other 3 were out of luck. And there was nothing I could do about it. I'm hoping to speak with Mike Tate or someone else about these issues and what was observed.

Anyway, it has been and WILL be a hard fight but we're winning as we progress!

[mochajava666]

89. Don't pull your hair out, - you will need it later. Trust me.

I don't think that people people really misunderstood WI, it's just that there were lofty expectations based on polling. It looked like we could have won 4 seats, but came away with only 2. As a cheesehead myself for over 50 years, I know how conservative rural WI is, and the votes, IMO, were encouraging, since I think that rural WI isn't voting against their best interests like they used to.

The Darling election hurt because it proved that money helps evil defeat good. It would have been so sweet to show the country and the world that money doesn't have absolute power. I have been a ward captain in the Janesville area (Paul Ryan's district), and I saw first hand that money really helps a ground game.

Like I said, I was encouraged to see rural WI not automatically vote in lockstep against their own best interests for a change. I see a possible political shift in rural WI. Walker going after labor has caused a backlash among Reagan Democrats here. That is encouraging.

I don't see Walker surviving a recall in a Statewide vote that will include Madison and Milwaukee.

[999998th word]

97. It's the voter ID suppression bill they rammed through I'm

worried about.
That $)&^((&^ bill takes effect for the recall election.
The many people who want him out and would vote to get him out won't be able to do so because of this shit.
It will take a lot of work, organizing, time, volunteers, and money -just to get the folks who would vote their ID's.
Thats what needs to be done, and I will help when there is a plan.
More 'model legislation' from ALEC.:puke:

[mochajava666]

110. Yes, that is a concern. Is this being challenged in court?

Asking for a photo ID and then closing DMV facilities in Democratic areas is reminiscent of the Jim Crow laws (no offense intended to the people that couldn't drink at the "Whites Only" fountains).

[TxVietVet]

95. I view the Wisconsin vote a VICTORY.

Now, you're making the conservanazi governor, Wanker, realize he can't bully his way through his conservanazi agenda. The battle is on. Keep up the good work and throw those rat bastard conservanazis out.

[harun]

96. It's momentem and that scares the hell out of them, exactly what we needed!

[Weird Liberal Head]

98. No, we lost.

The Republicans and Tea Baggers I talked to were all crowing- they expect to pump BIG BUCK$ to win those 2 Democratic seats, and they not only expect to win back the two seats we picked up, they expect the enthusiasm for the recalls of Walker and the other Republican state senators to start to dwindle down, and furthermore, they expect to gain even MORE seats thanks to their control of redistricting in that state. If we took the State Senate there, we could've had some leverage in redistricting.
I'm sorry, but we've got to face facts. We've lost this battle, but that doesn't mean that our failure to understand our defeat means that we must lose the war.

[jeff47]

99. I recommend talking less to crazy people who understand little of politics. (nt)

[Weird Liberal Head]

100. Yeah...

I don't take what they say TOO seriously, but Darling's big bucks victory has really discouraged me, even more so than failing to get the 3rd seat.

[julian09]

102. Get 6,000 more Dems to move in her district

:toast: and get 2,000 republicans to move out.:bounce:

[Weird Liberal Head]

106. Yeah...

Like that'll happen anytime soon. And even if that does, the GOP is still suppressing the liberal vote in Wisconsin.

[PeaceNikki]

104. lol, only the GOP considers LOSING 2 seats a win. Idiots.

[calimary]

108. Yes indeed. Once I got over being bummed out about not getting at least three,

I realized that it was a net gain for Dems. WE gained ground. The other side lost. TWO seats. And yes, I noticed immediately that all of a sudden that arrogant my-way-or-the-highway putz is now talking as though he wants to start making nice with the Dems. Oh he wants to work with them NOW, does he??? Could he perhaps be feeling the cold winds of recall blowing across his own face now? Hope so! Where's the swagger and the certainty and the sense of fiery koch-splashed "mission," scotty-boy? Oh NOW you wanna reach out?

Hey, we've all seen enough from this arrogant closed-minded agenda-driven poisonous ideological putz to know that he'd sooner slit his own throat than reach out to Democrats. But now he is? First of all, I don't take him at his word for a nanosecond! BUT, if he's saying this stuff, the Dems would be stupid not to exploit the hell out of it.

WE gained ground. WE invaded blood-red enemy territory and TOOK IT from them. Just like we did with Kathy Hochul in NY-26. THAT TOO was a generationally solid republi-CON district. And we took THAT one away from them too. And we need to exploit this like there's no tomorrow! Rub their noses in it, build momentum and know they're unsettled where they sit now, feeling the heat, knowing they'll return to work seeing two fewer of their pals' faces on their side, and two additional new adversaries on the other side. And those who may in their hearts have been waffling but slithered under the cover of the big wall of solidarity that the previous solid majority gave them. They won't have such strong solid supports anymore. And they'll likely recognize the momentum that is on the OTHER team's side and not theirs. They're standing on shaky ground and deep-down you better believe they KNOW it. I bet not ONE of them is getting a good night's sleep anymore. I bet they're tossing and turning and reaching for the Maalox bottle first thing in the morning.

DESTABILIZE THE ENEMY. That's what the Wisconsin Dems have now managed to do. And that's what needs to be done EVERYWHERE, ACROSS THE BOARD.

[Maraya1969]

109. Thank you. I was feeling very down about the whole situation until

you explained that to me. I especially love the RINO part in reference to the R's left.

Now could you send us some good news about Fl please? I'm just hoping that someone pushes a bill through where we wouldn't even be allowed to recall someone.