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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:06 PM
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The most significant moment in last night's Republican debate
for me was the question placed to Herman Cain about the so-called "tax holiday", the plan being pushed very hard by Republicans to "repatriate" tax free the nearly $2 trillion being held offshore by U.S. companies. Thom Hartmann commented briefly on this question in his show this morning and came to the same conclusion as I: that it was the most telling, significant, and jaw dropping moment that described in a nutshell the Republican approach to the U.S. economy.

The lady questioner (I don't recall her name or the newspaper she represented) described the similar tax holiday during the Bush Administration that was tried in 2004. She asked Herman Cain how it would work to stimulate the economy when the tax free money in 2004 was used by U.S. corporations to merely pay dividends to corporate investors. Cain's response: "It's their money; they should use it any way they want."

I noticed that Cain didn't mention jobs or stimulus. As Thom Hartmann correctly noted, none of the other Republican candidates sharing the podium challenged him on this issue or bothered to chime in, thus ratifying his opinion through their silence. If Cain had had some notion about creating jobs in this country, he might have suggested that the tax free $2 trillion be brought back to the U.S. under certain conditions. After all, U.S. corporations would get a tax free ride, despite the fact that the U.S. taxpayer spends billions of dollars funding the Navy 5th fleet in the Persian Gulf to protect oil company profits or that the Navy patrols the high seas throughout the world to protect international commercial shipping on which those $2 trillion in profits are dependent. If Cain or any of the other Republicans really cared about jobs, they might have suggested that the $2 trillion be brought back tax free on condition that it be placed in sequested accounts to prove to the IRS that it would be used for such things as net new hiring, retraining of the existing workforce, new construction or expansion, retooling of existing factories or facilities, or net new research and development. All those things would both benefit the companies and the American people in general.

But neither Herman Cain nor the other Republicans bothered to comment on the potential use of that money. They therefore wouldn't object to U.S. corporate tax free cash to be used for such things as paying dividends to foreign investors, acquisitions and mergers (which usually involve downsizing and layoffs), CEO bonuses (which they in turn could use for such non-job-productive things as jewelry for their wives, adding to their art collection, or expensive foreign vacations), or (God forbid) hiring more Washington lobbyists or engaging in an orgy of "Citizens United" types of campaign financing. None of those latter activities are very stimulating to the economy. Yet Cain and the other Republicans don't care. They want no conditions placed on that tax free capital.

Thus, according to this way of thinking, even if...

(1) corporate tax rates were dropped to zero

and

(2) restrictions or requirements on corporate behavior were dropped to zero

there still would be no expectation, demand, or even suggestion on the part of the modern Republican Party that corporate earnings be used in any particular job stimulative manner.

They are engaged in magical thinking. It seems that even if those profits go right back overseas to international investors through dividend disbursement, it will still magically trickle down on the U.S. middle class. Either they have deluded themselves into magical thinking or they know how deceitful they are and are just cynically going through the motions to please their corporate masters.
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:10 PM
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1. Very telling and...
although I couldn't watch it, I heard that not one of them used the term 'middle class.' Not one of them, not even once.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:34 PM
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3. Probably because there isn't any middleclass left...
Most people are working class and have been deluded into thinking that they are actually middle class. It seems if one has a job, they are middle class. Middle class is having enough money in your saving account, retirement accounts, and the ability to put one's children through college. Maybe Dr.s and lawyers and high tech workers would be considered middle class. The reality is that a family making at least $100,000.00 in today's economy would be considered middle class (on the lower end). Families making $50,000.00/ yr are not middle class. That is working class on the margin of being poor depending on where your zip code is. Most of that salary is going to be paid into housing, medical insurance (if you are lucky enough to have a company policy), transportation (probably 2 cars, ie 2 payments, insurance, registration, and maintenance/ gas), and food. At the end of the month, you are counting your pennies.

AND just ask one of these congresscritters or CEO's to live off of one of their salaries they give to their employees.. Shoot, make them live on minimum wage for 2 months with no extra assistance. They would be thrown into instant depression and cry themselves to sleep every day. Perhaps then, they would decide that our minimum wage should actually be a living wage.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 12:00 PM
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7. Wonder how many times they used some version of "corporate"?
Would love to see a word cloud of that whole transcript
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:29 PM
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2. Well, that IS their party platform
Heres child star Eric Cantor defending the airlines collecting the FAA taxes during the shutdown and keeping that money as profit because "thats what businesses do".

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/08/03/287345/cantor-defend-airlines-taxes-faa/
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:38 PM
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4. Yep, giving corps and rich people bigger tax cuts means that they just keep it.
They pad their CEO's pockets and decide innovation is cutting back employees and over working the rest of the staff for less pay and benefits.

Govt of, for, and by The People is supposed to be their to help The People NOT get the shaft. However, money and power corupts. Amazing the belief and value of a piece of paper that keeps so many people in such a crushing life experience. Now, transfers of numbers from computer to computer equal the wealth. Its all fake. The only thing that is real is labor and real tangible goods and services. A CEO sitting in a plush office and jet setting around in private luxury comfort doesn't create shit.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:40 PM
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5. He's not his brothers' keeper.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 06:11 PM
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6. K&R n/t
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