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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 05:39 PM
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English Historian Blames Black Culture for Riots

By ROBERT MACKEY

During a televised discussion of the past week’s riots in England on Friday night, a prominent English historian sparked outrage by insisting that black, Afro-Caribbean culture was to blame for the mayhem and looting, even when the rioters were white.

David Starkey, who has presented several documentaries on the Tudor period, said during a BBC debate: “the problem is that the whites have become black — a particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion — and black and white, boy and girl, operate in this language together; this language, which is wholly false, which is a Jamaican patois, that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country.”

Asked if he was saying that the prophecy of Enoch Powell — an English politician who claimed in a speech in 1968 that immigration would eventually mean, “the black man will have the whip hand over the white man” in Britain — had come true, Mr. Starkey replied: “That’s not true.” He added, “it’s not skin color, it’s cultural.”


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The other participants in the debate quickly objected to Mr. Starkey’s remarks. Owen Jones, the author of a book about working class culture in Britain, told the historian: “It’s utterly outrageous, obviously, what you’re saying. What you’re doing is you’re equating black culture with criminality.”

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http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/english-historian-blames-black-culture-for-riots/
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 05:43 PM
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1. well, that surely explains the Gordon Riots of 1780!
To name but one of England's "greatest hits," riot-wise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Riots
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 06:06 PM
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2. Starkey is an unpleasant character
Edited on Sat Aug-13-11 06:07 PM by LeftishBrit
He is a Tory who claims that Callaghan (Thatcher's predecessor) 'blew the nation's finances'; has been nasty about ethnic minorities before; and complains about women historians 'feminizing' history and giving too much attention to females in history.

He is also known for his rudeness as a radio host and on TV programmes, and is something of a real-life version of a troll.

His one redeeming feature is that he is a gay rights supporter.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 07:53 PM
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3. Jamaicans are to blame for racist soccer hooliganism?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 08:03 PM
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5. Of course
:rofl:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 08:01 PM
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4. Typical racist white supremacist crap. Needs to be called out and repudiated.
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 08:20 PM
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6. good traditional white anglo-saxon values, that's what's needed.
Edited on Sat Aug-13-11 08:21 PM by indurancevile
people didn't use to behave that way.

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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 08:24 PM
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7. Even before I clicked the link, I knew it would be David Starkey.
He's a right wing bigot and professional media prick.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 12:08 AM
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8. FU!
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 12:15 AM
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10. Well said. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 12:15 AM
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9. Typical Euro-Racist boilerplate.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 12:33 AM
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11. Starkey: "Nihilists! I mean, say what you will...
"...about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 01:12 AM
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12. Well, Starkey, I've seen God and she's black! - n/t
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