"Medical Field" Defines Pregnancy, Makes Anti-Choicers Angry

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"Medical Field" Defines Pregnancy, Makes Anti-Choicers Angry


Anti-choice activists are still fighting their war against contraception, especially emergency contraception. The latest argument? It's not up to the "medical field" to define when pregnancy starts. Via Christianity Today:

Drugs such as ella and Plan B are approved for contraceptive use because they prevent pregnancy. According to the FDA, the drugs are emergency contraceptives that should be taken within five days of "a contraceptive failure or unprotected intercourse." They are not intended as routine contraceptives. Women who suspect that they are pregnant are advised to not take the drug.

Richard Land from the SBC dismissed such definitions. The issue, said Land, was the ending of the embryo, not the pregnancy.

"The 'medical field' is attempting to define something far above its pay grade. God has already made it clear in Holy Scripture that human life begins at conception, or fertilization, and all of the unique, biological characteristics of that particular child are determined at the moment of conception, not implantation (Jeremiah 1:5, Psalm 139:13–16, Psalm 51:5). The use of taxpayers' money to fund killing such babies is an abomination," Land said.

I'm not anti-God by any means, but when it comes to medical procedures, I'd prefer to have a doctor's input, myself.


By Robin Marty | Sourced from RH Reality Check
Posted at August 15, 2011, 6:41 am


http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/650222/%22medical_field%22_defines_pregnancy%2C_makes_anti-choicers_angry/

[Lars39]

1. It's not clear from the article, but Richard Land is from

The Southern Baptist Convention.

[vim876]

2. Someone...

tell these people about epigenetics. Please. Or science generally. That works too.

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. The use of a religious text derived from the verbal tradition of a tribal community

in the ancient near east to dictate medicine in the 21st century is an abomination.

[nykym]

4. Thank You!

[valerief]

5. If Jeebus wanted doctors to make medical decisions, Jeebus would have created doctors.

Right?
:shrug:

[DCKit]

6. If I follow your thinking, they must've come from "the other place".

The OP makes complete sense now. Thanks so much.
:evilgrin:

[valerief]

7. But I'm not thinking. I'm anti-choicing. nt

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

8. "God has already made it clear in Holy Scripture that human life begins at conception"

Uh... that's bullshit, and he knows it.

[PurgedVoter]

9. What this says is that Conservatives will lie about God's Will

It is interesting how the Bible quotes that these folk use, never agree with their point. These folk are not driven by theology, they pick and choose text to support their bias. They are not informed by their faith, they abuse faith to lie.

The first one, Jeremiah 1:15 is saying that Jeremiah was intended to be a prophet before he was born. This has nothing to do with conception or fertilization. If anything it implies the existence of the soul before implantation.

4 The word of the LORD came to me, saying,

5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

The second one, Psalm 139:13–16, simply says that God made the author of the psalm. This psalm passage has also been twisted to support predestination. It has no mention of conception, or timing.

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place,
when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

The last one, Psalm 51:5 may imply that being born is a sin against God. I certainly implies that women are wicked since they have children. Nice sentiment that.

5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
6 Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb;
you taught me wisdom in that secret place.

From this we can absolutely resolve, that the people who composed this anti-anti-conception campaign are not actually informed by their faith. Instead they bend their faith to support their bias. From a Biblical Christian point of view, these folk are simply, the worst of the worst.

Considering that on this issue, the right wing tends to use the most spurious, weak and twisted deceit to try and deceive people into believing that the Bible agrees with their point of view, it is apparent that the forces of corruption within the Christian faith are dead set against women's rights.

It seems pretty obvious that conservatives only use religious evidence when it suits them, and make up evidence when there is an absence.

Consider this, the Romans, Greeks, and Egyptians all practiced abortion. Yet amidst the many clear biblical rules, there is not much that is clear. Any legal system that reacted as strongly across the board as Exodus generally advises would be considered pretty well evil by most of us. Yet in Exodus 21:22-25 the implication is that this is a matter where the punishment is limited by the courts but up to the husband. So if a husband wanted an abortion, then it would not be much of an issue.

22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.


Starting at Numbers 5:11 is an odd passage where a mystic, abortificant is given to women who cheat. Depending on how you view this, God gets an extra opportunity to cause an abortion, but only because of a ceremony, a priest is given the opportunity to make a secret judgment and administer poison, or, as long as a woman can survive drinking a bit of mud, she gets a pass on an accusation, fair or unfair, made by her husband.

11 Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.


So what we know, is that the Bible is pretty confusing on this issue, and conservatives are willing to lie about God's word.