The Party of the People vs the Party of Business and Property,

[kentuck]

Who should be in the majority? Should not the Party of the People out-number those that support Business and Property?

Why are the People in such tight political races with Business? Surely one represents the interests of more Americans than the other? Yet, the People may be in a minority in this country? Why?

It shouldn't even be close. The Party of Business should be looking to negotiate with the People, one would think, in order to keep as much wealth and property as they can hoard without looking too obvious in their pursuit of wealth.

But it is the People that are surrendering their wealth to those at the top. Little by little, the People are giving up everything to the Party of Business and Property.

Has it always been this way? How did we ever get a 90% tax rate on these folks? Why were they too few to fight it? But now, they appear to be at least as strong as the People in numbers and much stronger in wealth and power.

In a democracy, should not the People be in charge? Should not the Party of the People control the House of Representatives almost as a God-given right?

What happened?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Start with Allwater and the 1964 Republican Convention

The propaganda campaign started there. They did not give up, never mind they got trounced...

They organized and plotted to create a GOP TV... see Fox news, yes same Roger Aisles by the way.

They knew the usual filter would not give them the time of day.

Add reagan years, deregulation and consolidation of the media... and you have a powerful propaganda mix.

[kentuck]

2. The Party of the People lost a lot of their supporters ...

to that propaganda machine. It's almost like a cult.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. And our side has not realized, no matter what happens,

how important framing is...

Family Values is a stroke of POLITICAL and MESSAGING genius, for example. IT activates that idea of home and all that. It does not matter how good or truthful this is... we know it is not, but that is what it activates. (Frank Lunz is a freaking genius)

The other thing that our side can't learn even if this is basic ... MOST voters will not pay attention to any election until six weeks to go. And of course when it comes to frames... our side sucks at presenting them. One of these days, PERHAPS, they will listen to Lakoff

[dflprincess]

4. There's a party of the people?

:shrug:

[kentuck]

5. Yes!

The Democratic Party has been the Party of the people since the days of Andrew Jackson. Unfortunately. many of the weaker-minded ones have been siphoned off by the Party of Business and Property with the promise of wealth and riches.

[begin_within]

7. It's now The Party of the People®

A wholly-owned subisdary of The Corporate Party, Inc.®

[swilton]

6. K&R

[unkachuck]

8. "In a democracy, should not the People be in charge?"

....you would think so, but in a real democracy everything wouldn't be controlled or owned by corporations....

....take the corporate medias' latest work: constant handicapping of their pukey corporate-friendly-bought-and-paid-for presidential candidates to create a sense of inevitability in the country, a sense of fascist focus, a sense that this is all there is and a sense that this is all that matters....

....multiply this by every aspect of our lives and realize we're only a democracy on paper, the reality is really quite different....

[pscot]

9. There's a party of the people/

What's it called? Where do I sign up?

[socialist_n_TN]

10. Yeah unfortunately, that was my thought too

We seem to have evolved (devolved?) into a Corporate Party and a proto fascist party.

[kentuck]

11. They rely on people forgetting why the Democratic Party was formed.

It goes back to the days of Andrew Jackson and fighting the big banks. The Party was created to protect the people of the United States of America. True, it has changed over the years but its purpose remains the same. It's just that many people are not aware of it and many have gone over to the dark side.

[BigGovtFan]

12. without business' where would people work?

[kentuck]

13. People would make what needs to be made...

and they would sell it to those that needed what is made. It would be a purer capitalistic system, more local than national or international. Profits would be manageable. Their size would control their wealth.

[BigGovtFan]

14. people would make what needs to be made?

You really believe that local people would take over what corporations do? I don't think that could happen in the society we live in.

Their size will control their wealth? What stops them from getting bigger and expanding? How much is roo much wealth?

[kentuck]

15. Do you believe corporations are people?

Do the words, "We, the People", have any significance for you??

[BigGovtFan]

17. no I do not believe that people are corporations.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Monopoly economic systems are NOT capitalism

per one Adam Smith

[TBF]

19. Maybe they could work for the GOVERNMENT

now I shall watch your head explode.

[BigGovtFan]

21. w would the govt get money to pay them with out tax money?

Print it?

[TBF]

22. Who said we wouldn't tax folks? I am all for taxing rich folk.

Y'all are lucky Mr. Obama is president and not me.

[kentuck]

24. Bleep! Does not compute.

Cannot raise taxes. Does not compute.

[TBF]

26. lol ... we rarely get to play with one like this. nt

[Johonny]

18. Party of Business seems like a stretch

most businesses seem to be suffering from their actions. Actual small businesses are really being crushed.

Republican policies rarely seem "good" for the economy or business in general. Seems to me a few politically active small minded bridge burning businesses push for their policies and political and economic talking heads make it sound like businesses in general want this or benefit from it.

All of which raises the question why are people giving up everything to the party of business if one thing time after time they've shown is they are very bad for business?

[TBF]

20. The businesses make those voting machines, correct? I think we may have stumbled

on something ...

[Horse with no Name]

23. There is no longer a "Party of the People"

What we have is a party of the rich and elite and a party that aspires to be part of the rich and elite.

Both parties are too busy doing business for their rich friends to care about the people.

[sarcasmo]

25. The business party has used wedge issues to divide the masses.