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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:00 PM
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The goals of Third Way Democrats, in their own words:
Edited on Wed Aug-17-11 01:11 PM by woo me with science
(with some translation in bold)

http://thirdway.org/subjects/7/publications/311

Testimony of Jim Kessler
Vice President for Policy, Third Way
June 30, 2010

National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform

"Members of the Commission, thank you for the opportunity to testify. My name is Jim Kessler, and I am the Vice President for Policy at Third Way, a moderate think tank that believes that for America to be a nation that leads in the 21st century versus one that is led — we must usher in a new era of fiscal responsibility.

As progressives, we were proud to be a central part of the effort to pass health care reform — weaving the final major thread in our social safety net.

But it is clear that if we are to maintain the safety net that we wove, thread-by-thread, over 80 years, our economy has to grow — or we cannot afford it. And it has to grow faster than the tepid 2.2% that CBO has forecast for the coming decades. We need growth that at least resembles the 3.1% we averaged between 1975 and 2005. Otherwise, the budget math simply does not work.

And we cannot have long term, sustainable, robust growth with the deficit and debt levels that are forecast.

So let me make four quick points.

First, we need to restore some balance to our federal spending between consumptive and investment spending. In 1990, 44% of our budget went to Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and interest payments; by 2020 it will be 61%; and by 2035 it will be 69%.


(Granny keeps CONSUMING, three goddamn times a day, and she insists on seeing a doctor. These unreasonable demands must be weighed against greater investments in our wars and tax cuts for billionaires.)

If we stick to this trajectory, we are deciding that it is best for the United States, and for our children, that we have a federal budget that is dominated by entitlements and interest payments. That would be a dangerous and devastating decision — for our economy, our national security and for vital investments in younger generations.

Second, we reject the premise that fiscal responsibility and social justice are inherently conflicting goals. As I said, we spent the 20th century building a robust social safety net. But today, it is ONLY by controlling our deficits and debt — and shifting the federal budget towards investment over consumption – that we can avert ripping huge holes in that safety net for future generations.


(We've got to stop Granny from eating in order to save the safety net that allows her to eat.)

Third, we face a skeptical public who believes that government waste is behind the deficit. They want Washington to act, but the public has rejected messages about shared sacrifice because they believe that the federal government, not them, is responsible for the problem.

(Granny will not admit that it is her fault she keeps eating on our dime.)

So Washington must lead by example, and take the first hit — by reforming the federal pension system (which is funded by an outlandish $14 of taxpayer dollars for every one dollar of employee contribution) and by stopping the ridiculous rifle-shot spending that is rife in appropriations bills and the tax code.

(We will prove that Washington is sharing in the sacrifice by slashing pensions of low-wage government workers.)

Fourth, we must put aside some of our ideological and partisan urgings. Republicans and conservatives must accept that restoring fiscal order cannot be done without increasing tax revenues. It’s impossible. Democrats and progressives must accept that this structural deficit is harmful to our future and that reductions in entitlement benefits must be part of any solution.

(We are all about cutting benefits. Accept it, you lowly worms.)

And if we are going to transcend ideological gridlock, the path forward will require a “third way” — balancing spending cuts, tax increases, and investments in growth. These are all enormous challenges, but I have confidence in this commission to help America meet them.

Over the coming months, we will augment this testimony by supplying the Commission with detailed ideas on closing our yawning deficit — ideas on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, federal pensions, budget process, increasing tax revenues, and national security. We are eager to work with you on these and other ideas, and we are grateful for the opportunity to present our views here today."


(We're in your party now, and we have a plan. See ya at the Super Congress.)


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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:04 PM
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1. Third Way is so 90's.
:rofl: Haven't they all retired yet?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:13 PM
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3. They're just getting warmed up.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:09 PM
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2. Third Way Highway to the Third World. With scenic stops for bank bailouts and corporate tax cuts.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:14 PM
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4. K & R. Kessler is a co-founder.
Edited on Wed Aug-17-11 01:16 PM by chill_wind
He was apparently a career staffer for Schumer.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:15 PM
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5. Meanwhile, in an interview that every registered Dem should
become aware of, Mike Gravel talks about his wanting to primary Obama.

And he mentions this important fact: that last fall, Obama GAVE the nuclear warhead industry over 150 billion dollars, so that it would be easier for him to negotiate with the Republicans regarding his SALT treaty.

Granny shouldn't have her meds, or eat much, or keep warm in the winter and cool in the summer.

But the "Chief Negotiator" gives his opponents on an issue 150 Billion dollars!?!

While one of his top economic people, Tim Geithner, tells governors of states in crisis that loaning states money is a problem for the deficit?

We live in a very crooked world, ruled by some very strange people.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:34 PM
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6. It sounds so much like a Democratic version of PNAC....

For "America to be a nation that leads in the 21st century" we must maintain our empirical standing at all costs.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:57 PM
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16. It is or at least the PPI is.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:38 PM
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7. The same Mike Gravel who sought the Libertarian nomination for President in 2008?
He actually stated that the Libertarian Party's values were closer to his values than the Democratic Party was:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/off-the-bus-reporter/mike-gravel-to-seek-liber_b_93463.html
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:06 AM
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34. Freddie, dont blue dogs align with The Third WAy? nm
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 03:51 PM
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42. Do you believe in the Third Way? nm
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:38 PM
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8. Third Way = DLC = Blue Dog = Reagan admirer.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:39 PM
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9. Third Way Dems Want to be Liberal Republicans of the Past
They want to position themselves as Liberal/Rockefeller/Eisenhower Republicans.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:07 PM
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12. That's fine but they need to GTFOOH.
Edited on Wed Aug-17-11 03:07 PM by nc4bo
Take their Republican-lite asses and create their own Party. Stop using the left wing of the D Party as a toilet.

I've a feeling these people are like crabgrass, very difficult to remove.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:33 PM
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14. What does this acronym mean?
Edited on Wed Aug-17-11 03:40 PM by truedelphi
Did you mean GTFOOW?

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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:08 PM
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21. Get The Fuck Out Of Here
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:11 PM
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22. The Third Way clowns are way to the right of the liberal Republicans of yore
Ike and Thomas Dewey, etc., were all very supportive of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:31 PM
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27. I agree.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 09:50 PM
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30. Except they're way to the right of both Rockefeller and Eisenhower n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:42 PM
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10. Can anyone DENY that the 3rd Way, the DLC, the "New Democrats"...
are just REPUBLICANS masquerading as Democrats?



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 02:51 PM
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11. The DLC is one BIG Trojan Horse.
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Remember Me Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:34 AM
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39. funded by Koch Bros.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:10 PM
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13. They walk, talk and legislate like R's
and you know the saying that questions whether a duck is a duck even if it isn't labeled a duck.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:29 PM
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26. Except that it has an interest in international development.
The r's don't care about development ANYWHERE. They are just into making available opportunities for exploitation. But the third way/DLCers believe in the development of the third world as a moral right.

The combination of the r's exploitive interests and the 3rd ways desire to make life better around the world is is why the trade policies that have wrecked American lives aren't being changed.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:58 PM
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17. It is undeniable.
Can anybody deny that they are in control of the Democratic Party?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:59 PM
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19. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:06 PM
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20. No one can deny it without lying to us or themselves or both. nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:54 PM
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15. Why do righties call themselves moderate?
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:15 PM
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23. Because they haven't stolen everything from us yet?
So they are "moderately satisfied"?

If so, the future "moderate" thieves will be the "Satisfied Center" of the non-existent USA.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:59 PM
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18. Don't cut one nickel from Defense. The Third Way is going to need
the military to keep all the starving masses from breaking down the walls surrounding the elite's mansions.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:19 PM
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24. A few more articles -
Edited on Wed Aug-17-11 04:19 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
for the youngsters here unfamiliar with the cancer that is the DLC/Third Way/New Dems:

http://www.blackcommentator.com/46/46_cover.html

http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Democratic_Leadership_Council

Excerpt:

Origins and Trajectory

The DLC was established in the wake of President Ronald Reagan's 1984 landslide victory, in which he won 49 states, over Democrat Walter Mondale. During the Democratic convention in San Francisco, Mondale had successfully beaten back a challenge from Gary Hart, who predicted that unless the Democratic Party adopted a new image it would be decisively defeated. Mondale proved unable to respond effectively to charges from the Republican right and neoconservative Democrats that the Democratic Party was the party of progressives—who Jeane Kirkpatrick variously labeled as the "San Francisco Democrats" and the "blame America first" Democrats—who were out of touch with mainstream America. As Dan Balz and Ronald Brownstein concluded in their book Storming the Gates, "Mondale's landslide defeat exposed as a dead end the vision of regaining the White House by mobilizing an army of the disaffected with a message of unreconstructed liberalism."<8>

Pondering the Mondale defeat, a gathering of southern Democrats and northern neoliberals expressed concerns that the Democratic Party faced extinction, particularly in the South and West, if the party continued to rely on its New Deal message of government intervention and kept catering to traditional constituencies of labor, minorities, and anti-war progressives. In 1985, Al From, then an aide to Rep. Gillis Long (D-LA), took the lead in formulating a new messaging strategy for the party's centrists, neoliberals, and conservatives. Will Marshall, at that time Long's policy analyst and speechwriter, worked closely with From to establish the DLC.

In his "Saving the Democratic Party" memo of January 1985, From advocated the formation of a "governing council" that would draft a "blueprint" for reforming the party. According to From, the new leadership should aim to create distance from "the new bosses"—organized labor, feminists, and other progressive constituency groups—that were keeping the party from modernizing. From's memo sparked the formation of the Democratic Leadership Council in early 1985. According to Balz and Brownstein, "Within a few weeks, it counted 75 members, primarily governors and members of Congress, most of them from the Sunbelt, and almost all of them white; liberal critics instantly dubbed the group 'the white male caucus.'"<9>

Although DLC members shared, for the most part, the neoliberal perspective of centrist Democrats such as Gary Hart, Paul Tsongas, and Michael Dukakis, they took a much harsher, conservative stance on social justice and foreign policy issues. Regarding foreign policy, the DLC attempted to resurrect the hardline anticommunism of Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson but rejected the New Deal politics that Jackson and other traditional "New Deal liberals" embraced. In the late 1980s, DLC Democrats supported aid to the Contras, applauded Reagan's "Evil Empire" rhetoric, and offered their support to those militarists calling for missile defense and rejecting arms control negotiations.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:20 PM
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25. And a bit more --
In a 1986 conference on the legacy of the Johnson administration’s "Great Society" initiatives, DLC chairman Gov. Charles Robb of Virginia took up the neoconservative critique of liberalism first articulated in the early 1970s by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Norman Podhoretz, and other neoconservatives. According to Robb, "While racial discrimination has by no means vanished from our society, it's time to shift the primary focus from racism – the traditional enemy without – to self-defeating patterns of behavior – the enemy within." This speech signaled the end of the "New Politics" of the 1960s and 1970s in the Democratic Party and the rise of a new social conservatism in the party. Robb's speech opened room for Democratic Party stalwarts to back away from political agendas that proposed government initiatives to address poverty, discrimination, and crime, and to join the traditional conservatives and neoconservatives in opposing affirmative action, social safety-net programs, and job-creation initiatives. Thus, the New Democrats of the DLC added their voices to the chorus of those calling for stiffer prison sentences, an end to affirmative action, reduced welfare benefits, and less progressive tax policies.

Funding

According to tax records, DLC’s budget declined rapidly after 2004, from $2.6 million to $1.5 million in 2008.<23> Much of the DLC’s budget, as well as that of PPI, was at one point made up of grants from Fortune 500 companies and various conservative foundations. According to the a 2002 study by the Capital Research Center, corporate contributors to the PPI included the AT&T Foundation, Eastman Kodak Charitable Trust, Prudential Foundation, Georgia-Pacific Foundation, Chevron, and Amoco Foundation. The Third Way Foundation, an umbrella group of the New Democrats in the DLC, received funding from the Lynde & Harry Bradley Foundation, Howard Gilman Foundation, Ameritech Foundation, and General Mills Foundation. According to John Nichols in the Progressive, the DLC had funding from Bank One, Citigroup, Dow Chemical, DuPont, General Electric, Health Insurance Corporation, Merrill Lynch, Microsoft, Morgan Stanley, Occidental Petroleum, and Raytheon.<24>






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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 05:38 PM
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29. Thank you. nt
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:41 PM
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28. It wouldn't piss me off so much if there was some counterpart
pulling the GOP leftward...Instead, it's the opposite...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 09:57 PM
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31. They join the Heritage Foundation in telling the 'Big Lie'
about SS. This is rightwing think tank pretending to be 'Progressive'.

Here's the Big Lie that used to be only associated with the Far Right:

First, we need to restore some balance to our federal spending between consumptive and investment spending. In 1990, 44% of our budget went to Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security


SS is NOT funded by the Federal Govt. It is NOT part of 'Our Budget'. It is a totally separate fund, paid for by American Workers.

These are the liars this Administration is being influenced by. They don't even lie as subtly as the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute.

Disgusting, to think that this administration has appointed at least two of these morons to their staff.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:01 AM
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35. Thanks for making that point.
Yes, they are lying.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 10:02 PM
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32. Bookmarking and thank you!
K/R
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 10:06 PM
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33. Dupe ~
Edited on Wed Aug-17-11 10:16 PM by sabrina 1
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:12 AM
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36. We can continue to redistribute wealth upward to our corporate sponsors, if we use polite words!
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 08:12 AM by DirkGently
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:53 AM
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37. "...44% of our budget went to Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and interest payments..."
Interest payments because the surpluses were raided. These days it's upwards of $300B a year.

Completely disingenuous.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:30 PM
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41. Call it what it is, it's an outright lie, actually.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 01:31 PM by sabrina 1
SS has nothing to do with the Federal Budget. The fund is invested in Treasury Bonds, as are many other US Govt Creditors, and the US Govt pays interest on those bonds to all of its investors. Where is their list of all the other Investors? If the US Govt doesn't want to pay interest on its bonds, then it should not offer them to Investors. That the Govt borrowed from the fund to Bail Out crooks who robbed the US treasury and to pay for, how many wars now?, and to give huge gifts to the Wealthy, has zero to do with the American People's Fund, which THEY OWN and which contributed ZERO to the Debt, Deficit or anything else.

This lie is the same lie we USED to have to fight from the Right, now it is being told by so-called Democrats. They are moving in to grab that fund and privatize it. They are part of the movement on the Right that has tried for decades to do this and failed because we USED TO HAVE a party that protected us from those THIEVES.

I cannot believe this is happening to the Democrat Party and that there is no fight from our leaders to stop it.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:56 AM
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38. According to some here, Third Way is nothing more than a figment
of the imagination of a few "emo progressives", kind of like the Easter Bunny, or Bigfoot!

K&R.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:08 AM
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40. Kick --
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