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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:33 AM
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What should we "sacrifice"?
We are told that we all must sacrifice in these times.

Are you a Democrat?

Do you support cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, education, and other programs that form the social network for our people?

If you do support these cuts, then I would question your credentials.

The President has voiced his support for such cuts and, so far, the Democrats in the Congress and Senate have not vehemently disagreed. This would change our Party. We would have two conservative-right Parties to choose from. Is this what we want? Not I.

The President has tried every supply-side theory he can think of to get this economy jump-started and it hasn't worked. He has even gone as far as cutting the funds that go into the Social Security account, the FICA employment taxes. No Democrat should agree to that. And they would not if it was proposed by a Republican President.

Our Party is going down the wrong road. How can we change that? What are you willing to sacrifice?

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MrDiaz Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:56 AM
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1. It doesn't matter
He can do everything exactly the same as bush did (wars, add wars, OBAMA TAX CUTS, stimulus bills for corporations, guantanamo bay, Patriot act, allow TSA to do what they are doing, drug war, etc.) and everyone will still vote for OBAMA all because of that letter D in front of his name. This is America dammit, EVERYTHING is simply a football game, as long as your team is winning, nothing else realy matters.

By the way here is a good article about this.

http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2009/02/obama-bush-comparisons-10-ways-barack.html
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:54 AM
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8. This article was written one month into his presidency. Really???
One chart blows this out of the water.



And libertarians . . . aside from using the GROSSLY inadequate adjective "humble" . .. are the LAST people who should be taking anyone to task about "faith based" anything. When Libertarians stop Big-Gulping the Friedmanite supply-side bullshit as their economic platform, which is just as "faith based" and over-assumptive as any religion out there, then they can come talk to me about how freaking great their party is.

Until then, they're nothing but anti-war Republicans with dimebags.
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MrDiaz Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:13 PM
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11. yea
but the article I posted is still relevant, considering was was written, and the only problem with your chart is he has not only kept bush's policies in place but have added to them, and in some cases like the tax cuts resigned them into law himself.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 02:11 PM
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14. Bread and Circus
Gladiators, sending emails about the latest outrage seeking your money. It is all our elections have become, a more than just a spectator sport of old, they include you, by seeking your money of course, seems that is more important than the vote. When YOU count the votes. Each election is more spectacular than the last. the SUPERBOWL of politics. It's seems like more of a distraction then an actual democratic process. Keep us in perpetual fear, what if the other side wins? Yet it seems both parties have the same goals, just the speed in which to get there is the difference. Makes you actually question, why participate?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:58 AM
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2. The fatted calve
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:11 AM
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3. I'm willing to sacrifice the Bush tax cuts and the Bush doubling of military spending.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 06:17 AM by Lasher


http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending

Since Obama clearly does not agree with me in this respect, I'm willing to sacrifice him in the Democratic primary, in favor of a New Deal Democrat. Our party is going down the wrong road as you say, and this is how we change that.

I won't be able to draw my full Social Security benefit until I'm 66, so I've already sacrificed a year of income. I willingly contributed payroll taxes all my working life to help support the elderly and disabled during those years, plus I paid extra to build up the Trust Fund to ensure Social Security's solvency.

I think I've sacrificed just about enough. It's time for billionaires and the MIC to pitch in now. Then it would be shared sacrifice.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:14 AM
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6. +1
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sunwyn Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:14 AM
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4. I'm not sure about others here but I have little left to sacrifice. Four years
Of unemployment has left me with little. Soon I will be choosing between Internet and whether to eat once a day. I have become disillusioned with the Dems and have NEVER voted Republican in my life. Government no longer works for the people. It only works for the elite few who can afford to kind politicians pockets.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:37 AM
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7. You speak for a lot of us here - It is truly sad that we have come to this in 2011! Disappointment
in our "leaders" doesn't even come close to the disparity that I feel. This is worse then any time in my 65 years that I have seen our country and the down trodden quality of life we are forecasting for our future. I heard a man on PBS yesterday who wrote a book about the way the two classes, rich and poor, are living in different worlds. They, the rich, don't even consider the world we, the poor and shrinking middle-class live in. They have no shame:-(
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:14 AM
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5. I'll sacrifice blue-dogs and conserva-dems
...I'm willing to let them go

There, I contributed my part to solving the problem.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 06:56 AM
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9. I'm too jaded to think that
anything I personally sacrifice will do a damn thing to change the way politicians operate. Our sacrifices do nothing but prompt the call for more sacrifice. When I see politicians personally sacrificing I may change my mind.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:15 AM
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10. K&R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:17 PM
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12. I will not sacrifice for the powerful. I will support no one that forces me to.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 12:18 PM by mmonk
It's not blue vs red but right vs wrong. Peer pressure does not sway me in that regard.
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MrDiaz Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:56 PM
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13. KUDOS
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