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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 01:30 AM
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Tea Party leader in AZ claims to be a victim. Says Gifford played political gamesmanship.
The nerve these people have is unbelievable. There is a video clip in the article of Trent Humphries speaking. He says the Tea Party shares no blame at all.

Today one of the men who was shot was arrested for threatening Humphries at the meeting. Humphries is free to go around blaming the ones who were shot. He takes no responsibility.

Trent Humphries blames Gifford for Saturday shooting.

In an interview with the British newspaper The Guardian, teabagger Trent Humphries blames Rep. Gabrielle Giffords for Saturday's shooting, and then has the audacity to claim that We're Arizona shooting victims too. Like Sarah Palin, for this fool "it's all about me!" Blaming the victim of an assassin's bullet for the acts of a mad man is beyond the pale. This fool doesn't know when to shut up.

But Trent Humphries says there is another innocent victim left by Jared Lee Loughner's killing of six people and wounding of 14 others in his assassination attempt against Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. It is his Tea Party movement and, more particularly, his family. The killings, he says, are evolving into a conspiracy to destroy his organisation and silence criticism of the government. (the Rush Limbaugh talking point du jour). Humphries is the co-founder of Tucson's Tea Party, a movement besieged by accusations that its use of the rhetoric of armed resistance against political opponents played a role in the shootings.

The local sheriff, Clarence Dupnik, quickly pointed the finger at the growing vitriol, hate and anger directed against the government on talk radio and by Tea Party supporters in Arizona, where Democrats and liberals from President Obama to Giffords are portrayed as enemies of the people, un-American or Nazis. Giffords herself warned that the Tea Party favourite, Sarah Palin, was "firing people up" with a campaign poster that put the Democratic party congresswoman in the crosshairs of a rifle.

Humphries is having none of it. "A lot have taken as gospel that the sheriff says that this was caused by talk radio, by Tea Party extremists, that that must be the case. I think it's done a lot of damage. It's given people the idea that somebody like my wife and I caused this murder.


This is the worst statement he made.

"It's political gamesmanship. The real case is that she (Giffords) had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?" he said. "For all the stuff they accuse her (Palin) of, that gun poster has not done a tenth of the damage to the political discourse as what we're hearing right now. There are people who are genuinely confused, scared, and I understand it. But there are also people who are deliberately manipulating this event and tragedy for political ends."


That is really scary stuff.

More about the arrest of the shooting victim.

Shooting victim arrested, accused of threat

A man who was wounded in last week's shooting rampage in Tucson was apprehended by authorities Saturday after he allegedly threatened a "tea party" activist at a town hall meeting of victims and eyewitnesses of the attack.

James Eric Fuller, a 63-year-old Democratic activist, was arrested after shouting "You're dead!" at Tucson Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries, said Pima County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jason Ogan. Fuller was shot in the knee and back Jan. 8 when a gunman opened fire, killing six and injuring 13, including Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Fuller, a disabled veteran and former campaign volunteer for Giffords, was charged with making threats, intimidation and disorderly conduct and was involuntarily committed for a psychiatric evaluation, Ogan said.


A Republican state representative made sure to go to the police presence and ask that Fuller be investigated.

Man Shot in Tucson Rampage Is Arrested at a TV Taping

Ms. Proud said she spoke up to clarify the bill's language. At that point, Trent Humphries, the founder of the Tucson Tea Party, who was sitting one row behind her, rose to speak and suggested that discussion about gun legislation be postponed until after the funerals. He started to say that he, too, had been affected by the tragedy, explaining that a neighbor had been a victim.

At that point, Ms. Proud said, Mr. Fuller blurted out to Mr. Humphries, "You're dead."

Mr. Fuller then began to "behave in a very odd manner," she said. "He was making inappropriate comments."

After the forum wrapped up, Ms. Proud said she went to one of the police officers providing security at the event and asked him if he would file a report about the comment to Mr. Humphries. The officer told her they were already investigating it.


I don't see anyone calling for any investigation into the words of Trent Humphries that might have been geared toward angering liberals.

In fact, I have a feeling they are going to build up the rhetoric in their attempts to blame anyone but themselves. That in itself could get way out of hand very quickly.






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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:13 AM
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1. Beyond belief (almost)!
Check out this image I recently came upon:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:39 AM
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8. Can we see his tiny little penis, too?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:53 PM
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16. Is that for real or photoshopped?
That's really scary.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 04:19 PM
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17. Excerpted from a comment on a BBS, where it was posted:
"I have seen that seat before. I also remember being in Arizona back in the 70's & being stunned that almost all the bikers I saw were packing sidearms......."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:34 PM
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24. Thanks...
Weird stuff.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:50 AM
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33. Mad Max wannabes... dur
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:14 AM
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2. THEY ARE AL REPUB FRONTGROUPS AND
DON'T WANT DEMOCRACY TO WORK.

ASK CLUB FOR GROWTH
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:51 AM
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10. Checked out Club for Growth
One of their leadership figures is from my neck of the woods, which I take offense to. Can I pm for some input on how to make the true nature of the agenda visible to the naked local eye?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:16 AM
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3. they committed the Democratic activist for mental examination??
But they couldn't commit the young man who scared the bejabbers out of everyone he came in contact with recently???
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:18 AM
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5. and is there video tape of Fuller's actions?
The actions that caused the Republican to go to law enforcement and ask that Fuller be involuntarily committed??
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:17 AM
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4. What. The. Fuck.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:20 AM
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6. What purpose did the teabagger
have for showing up at a town hall meeting meant for "victims and eyewitnesses" of the shooting? Was he one of the victims? Was he a witness?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:39 AM
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7. Yesterday, I found out that Jesse Kelly accepted an endorsement
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:51 AM
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11. Palin endorsed Kelly. Personally I think she knew what Blood Libel meant.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 02:50 AM
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9. How is this possible? How do these people live with themselves?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:00 AM
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12. involuntarily committed for "inappropriate comments"
Context! We need context.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:03 AM
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13. This story is missing wayyy too much of the narrative.
Only one bit of what was said was reported. The only people "commenting" are teabagger and republican rep... No one else was up in arms... AND many of the people involved with the actual shooting that day will probably suffer from PTSD.. and Teabagger/ Palin types shouldn't probably be around them to make remarks that see themselves as the victims rather than those who actually were the victims. It pisses me off the read the comments by the teabagger.. I can't imagine having to have gone thru the trama of being gunned down and then hear this idiot refer to himself as a victim. Guess they missed the message that most Americans understand.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:09 AM
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14. Tea party fella just needs a little enhancement. . .



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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:19 PM
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21. That's a hell of a picture. lol! nt
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 03:40 AM
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15. Eric Fuller had campaigned for Repl. Giffords and when the shooting
happened, he was not surprised. He knew she had been threatened and was fully aware of the threats and, what this fool is glossing over, the attack on her office where her door was shot out.

Fuller should not have done what he did, but he was a huge supporter of the Congresswoman and to hear these vile people say the things they say and get away with it, has to have been more than someone who had just been shot, twice and who was a disabled vet who no doubt was traumatized, could bear.

I wish they had kept Fuller longer in the hospital after he was shot. He obviously needed more care for the emotions he was feeling.

As for this moron. He is forgetting that Rep. Giffords was not the only Democrat attacked and threatened by his gang. From Sen. Bernie Sanders:

What should be understood is that the violence, and threats of violence against Democrats in Arizona, was not limited to Gabrielle Giffords. Raul Grijalva, an old friend of mine and one of the most progressive members in the House, was forced to close his district office this summer when someone shot a bullet through his office window. Another Democratic elected official in Arizona, recently defeated Congressman Harry Mitchell, suspended town meetings in his district because of the threatening phone calls that he received (Mitchell was also in the cross-hairs on the Palin map). And Judge John Roll, who was shot to death at the Giffords event, had received numerous threatening calls and death threats in 2009.


Yes, thanks to him and his ilk, as Sanders wonders, 'is Az a safe place for Democrats to engage in politics at all?

What a disgusting creature. I hope his remark about Rep. Giffords disgusts the people of Az and ends his pathetic career.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:08 PM
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30. is Az a safe place for Democrats to engage in politics at all?
AZ is just like AK in that they both have beautiful scenery.... and nothing else. The rest is crap
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 04:24 PM
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18. Oh go soak your nuts whiner.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 05:22 PM
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19. More about Fuller's arrest and 72 hour hospital confinement...Humphries can press charges.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70F0R020110116

"James Eric Fuller, 63, who was shot in the knee on January 8, objected to comments from Trent Humphries, leader of the conservative Tea Party political movement in Tucson, during taping of a town hall meeting organized for an ABC News special program on the aftermath of the shootings.

Fuller stood, turned and snapped a picture of Humphries, said Pima County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jason Ogan.

"Then he yelled at him and said, 'You're dead,'" Ogan said.

Deputies arrested Fuller on charges of disorderly conduct and making a threat.

After consultation with a doctor, deputies then took Fuller to a local hospital for an involuntary evaluation, Ogan said."

He is forced into having evaluation while the rest of the right wing talkers like Rush, Beck, and even the tea party head are free to attack the rest of us verbally.

In Florida what is being done to him would be called Baker Acting him...I don't know about other states.

More:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70F2IM20110116

"Fuller, a U.S. Navy veteran, will be held for at least 72 hours under observation at the hospital, authorities said.

The incident came during a taping of a special edition of the ABC News program "This Week" scheduled for broadcast on Sunday.

Charges of making threats, intimidation and disorderly conduct were filed against Fuller with the Pima County Attorney's office, but it is up to Humphries to decide whether to press for prosecution, sheriff's department spokesman Jason Ogan said.

Humphries could not immediately be reached for comment on Sunday."

I can tell you how furious this makes me. If the guy needs help, get it but don't arrest him. He was a shooting victim, for heaven's sake.

What is wrong with this country?
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 05:46 PM
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20. Humphries, like most Teabaggers, is a whiny asshole.
Incredibly thin skin, that guy.

:evilfrown:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:25 PM
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22. He sounds like very sorry, ignorant, whiny person.
And I am furious they arrested Fuller after all the hate rhetoric from the radio hate talkers and people like Palin and Angle and Beck.

Michael Reagan once threatened Howard Dean with hanging or burying him in a hole. He totally got away with such words.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200512090014
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:58 PM
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28. Humphries, like most Teabaggers, is a whiny asshole.
Edited on Sun Jan-16-11 11:00 PM by AlbertCat
All the teabaggers doth protest too much, methinks.

All their activities and statements since the shootings have had that air of someone who knows their lying and therefore over-does it in a panic.


They know everything said about the hate speech and vitriol and its effects are true. So they are freaking out and going berserk trying to change the subject/show it's equal on both sides/tap dance as fast as they can...
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:27 PM
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23. The Tea Party can claim that Democrats need to be eliminated and its ok.
They can say anything they want and they think they will always get away with it.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:57 PM
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25. This is the radical right wing -- featuring violence and lies --
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:40 PM
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26. Very poor decision by ABC to invite that clown Humphries to the
town hall meeting in the first place. It really was like rubbing salt in a wound, given his comments about Gabrielle being responsible for getting shot! :mad:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:02 PM
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29. Very poor decision by ABC to invite that clown Humphries to the
Edited on Sun Jan-16-11 11:03 PM by AlbertCat





Hey... what a story they got! It worked!!!!
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:49 AM
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32. problem is---ABC thinks the tea boogers are legitimate
when they aren't. That is why he was invited.

ABC views the tea boogers as victims and that's why that guy was invited to join in on something that had absolutely nothing to do with him.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:42 PM
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27. These fuckers have no shame. Their martyr complex is gigantic.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:06 AM
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31. Teahaddist sociopaths
Hold them accountable.
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:26 PM
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34. Doesn't it just
Break your heart? Poor, poor Humphries. Those poor innocent victims in the tea party are facing such terrible, completely groundless and unfounded accusations that they might potentially incite violence by... well, suggesting (and promoting) violence.

What a fucking dickhead. :eyes:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 05:17 PM
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35. Teabags are professional victims
and horrendous assholes.
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 04:33 PM
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36. Unbelievable
"It's political gamesmanship. The real case is that she (Giffords) had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?"

So he's saying that Giffords was some kind of liberal suicide bomber, that purposely exposed herself (ie. wasn't cowed into hiding behind closed doors and not doing her job as a representative of the people). She was a cock(ed gun) teaser indoctrinated and programed by Obama and Karl Marx.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 12:34 AM
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37. Blame the victim, standard moron approach to a situation where
the individual has some feeling of guilt or possible ramifications from the law or society in general.

Any person that blames the victim is sub-human. When someone comes out with this kind of defensive posture it is apparent that they are getting heat from some quarters, and they feel they have to justify bad behavior. I've have read reports where there were people after WWII that blamed atrocities on against others because it was "their fault" they were Jews, Slavs, Gypsies and a host of other groups; it's an attempt to deflect responsibility, either real or perceived. This man is a slug.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 12:46 AM
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39. Whatever you say. The Tea party guy blamed Giffords.
That's pretty scary.

I am sorry you feel my post is inflammatory. I don't think so.
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