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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:29 AM Original message |
I went to Zuccotti Park last night. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
1. I think you nailed it-- Campaign Finance; Corporate Personhood; Taxation/Regulation... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Corporate Personhood |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific was decided in 1886. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Corporations are a |
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vets74 (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
61. Occupy Wall Steet does K.I.S.S. -- Three principles + four ideas |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. That's a great visual. nt. |
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vets74 (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Feel free to email it, copy and distribute it. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 02:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
51. But the court NEVER ruled on corporate person-hood in 1886 in Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific. |
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vets74 (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #51 |
62. As announced by President McCain's new appointee for an AJ opening.... |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #51 |
66. Hmmm, that sounds like it may be grounds for a challenge. Laws |
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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Agreed, we should re-institute Glass-Steagall. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
44. plus |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. The Corporate Masters didn't calculate that "the Masses" would object |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 06:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
55. It's like some Wall Street stooge wrote last week on why he thinks OWS will fail |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. What an absolute asshole that guy is. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
67. He is telling us what the elite think and he is right - they think that all |
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Tippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
3. K&R,,,Good idea....implimentation may be difficult |
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yogini (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. General Strike? National Sick Day! |
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Tippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. National Sick day works for me |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
68. Propose July 5, 2012. |
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PETRUS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. We need a wealth tax |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
5. When was the last effective general strike in the US? |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. You'll get an answer as soon as they figure out how to overturn Supreme Court decisions. |
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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I'm not sure if there has evere been a General Strike in the US. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
14. Reclaiming government from the corporations may not be sufficient |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
15. If we're all going to strike we have to do it for more than one day |
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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I agree with your sentiment, but I think we have a better chance of getting it off the ground |
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NBachers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #15 |
63. Sorry- call me a traitor to the cause- but I need my job, and I like the company I work for |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Is there any chance that you boss in this small business would actually |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. You see the problem you've got already? |
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NBachers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. No- our stock-in-trade is contractors, home owners, building owners, trades people |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
90. How much food and water do you have stored? |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
16. Gee I sure hope you don't need a doctor or ambulance driver that day |
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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. There would obviously be exceptions for critical occupations like medical care and |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. And people get funny |
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yogini (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. National Sick Day |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Good luck with that |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
70. You certainly could get fired |
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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. When enough Americans decide it's worth the inconvenience |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. The reason I think it will not happen |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. People here swore up and down that Americans would never take to the streets.. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Any idea what percentage have, as you put it, taken to the streets? |
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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You seem to have a good grasp of the obstacles we face. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. In Western societies |
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yogini (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. There was always someone around who said stuff like: |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. OK, you're an idealist |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
74. Yet those movements in the 60-70s did bring about change - civil |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. How old are you? |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. LOL I am 70 years old and I not only have memories I have experiences. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Ok, I find a lot of people here |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. So all these years when my family got to vote, got to run for office, |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. It's not that I don't see any progress |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #23 |
71. See, that's the problem... |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Traditionally health sector workers have been excempt from striking |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. “Those who would give up Essential Liberty, to purchase a little Temporary Safety, |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. They were fighting an unelected king |
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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. We don't have to convince "Joe Average American" - he's already convincing himself. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. It's early |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
77. They were not successful, the war in Viet Nam ended. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. I'm working on it, and so far nobody at all has laughed. In fact, Joe |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Get outside the bus routes |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 01:23 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I'm out in rural Arizona right now, 45 miles from the nearest bus station. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #49 |
75. Ok, I guess I made a wrong assumption there |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Progressive? Moderate republicans are often suspected to be closet communists here |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
24. Great post. Mic check... |
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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Great reply! |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
25. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
27. Kick and Recommend! |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
29. thanks for your great article -- I am right now watching last night's activities via streaming |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
34. k&r for a general strike. n/t |
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Remember Me (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
40. Are these your ideas, or were they being discussed at Zucotti? |
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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. They are not "my" ideas - I've heard them discussed in many different forums. |
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Remember Me (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I'm not |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
47. Again, the cart before the horse. |
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airplaneman (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
48. An idea to share |
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Democracydiva (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
50. Excellent! |
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cyglet (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
86. Also... |
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99th_Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 04:26 AM Response to Original message |
52. You've got my vote, or whatever OWS calls it these daze. Very practical and doable all 3. |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
53. General strike seems to be gaining popularity. I'd say by spring, it's more than possible |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 05:07 AM Response to Original message |
54. That is a great idea,but emergency personnel |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 06:22 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. When I experienced a general strike in Europe years ago, such people were neither asked to nor |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
57. in the meantime... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
58. How to achieve #3... |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
59. Step #4 |
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alberg (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #59 |
88. Agreed. |
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Jim_Shorts (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
64. While I agree with you alberg, I see this as a long term fight |
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Maineman (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
65. Constitutional amendments are needed. Like these: |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
69. July 5, 2012. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
72. I agree with this post and would like to see steps taken to implement |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
89. Those actions require the consent of the 1% |
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