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sixmile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:40 PM
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The Investor Class Will Learn the Meaning of a 'Haircut' Soon
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 03:42 PM by sixmile
Barbers Give Haircuts and opinions at NY Protest

http://online.wsj.com/article/APd05c576c79ef4f26abeac86a362a47da.html

'NEW YORK — Some barbers descended on New York's Occupy Wall Street protest — cutting hair while suggesting bankers "take a haircut."

That's a banking term meaning adjusting a loan.

On Monday afternoon, the half dozen barbers set up chairs on Broadway. Each wore a top with the name of a big financial institution.'

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ECB Agrees to Bigger Haircuts on Greek Debt
http://www.businessinsider.com/now-even-the-ecb-is-agreeing-to-bigger-haircuts-on-greek-debt-2011-10

'It appears as though even the European Central Bank has acquiesced to the necessity of bigger haircuts on private sector holdings on Greek debt, according to a Greek government source cited by Dow Jones.
This development comes amid speculation that private bondholders will see a voluntary haircut of as much as a 60% on their debt.'

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Europeans Facing More of a 'Haircut' Than Previously Thought
http://seekingalpha.com/article/301369-europeans-facing-more-of-a-haircut-than-preciously-thought

'News is leaking out that the “haircuts” on European Sovereign debt are going to be greater than imagined just several weeks ago. “EU looks at 60% haircuts for Greek debt.”

Three months ago European officials agreed to a 21 percent haircut. Then, in the last several weeks, the figure moved to around 50 percent. And, still officials are dawdling.'

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Great Reuters Report on 'Haircuts' to Start U.S. Growth
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/10/03/idINIndia-59668220111003?feedType=RSS&feedName=globalCoverage2

'For those in favour of a radical solution, there are a lot of headwinds.

Any debt reduction initiative must confront the issue of "moral hazard" - the appearance of giving a gift to an unworthy borrower who simply made unwise spending choices.

Institutional investors who own securities backed by pools of mortgages are reluctant to see struggling homeowners get their mortgages reduced because that means those securities are suddenly worth less. Any write-downs that banks are forced to take could imperil their capital levels.

Banks and bondholders, meanwhile, have competing interests. This is because mortgage write-downs depress the value of the securities in which mortgages are pooled and sold to investors. Big institutional investors like BlackRock have long argued that any meaningful principal reduction on a mortgage must also include a willingness by banks to take their own write-downs on any home equity loans, or second liens, taken out by the borrower on the property. The banks continue to hold those second liens on their balance sheets and so far have been reluctant to mark down the value of those loans, even though the borrower often has fallen behind on their primary mortgage payments.'

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:46 PM
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1. And the enemy calls us hippies??
Hey, look, we get haircuts!!
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sixmile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:48 PM
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2. "Get a haircut, filthy Investors"
Now where's my scissors?

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:59 PM
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12. I'd rather see them take a bath . . .
!!
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Johnson20 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:15 PM
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3. Will somebody please describe
the "investor class" for me as I really don't understand what you mean. My wife, who is a teacher with a retirement plan, along with millions and millions more public sector and union workers, is about 68% invested in stocks. Is she part of the investor class?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:19 PM
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4. Does she derive a six figure income or greater from investments every year? Is passive income
from stocks, bonds and ETFs the vast majority of her annual income?

No? Then she is not part of the investor class.
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Johnson20 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:24 PM
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7. I don't know where you got your
numbers from but thanks Kenny. People with public sector and union retirement plans frequently get added to the bad guys here, probably without thinking. Regardless, they will be given the same "haircut" as the 6 figure folks at least that is what has happened in the past.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:27 PM
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8. If you have a 401k in replacement of a guaranteed pension
then you've already gotten your haircut - down to a stubble.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:22 PM
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5. It's funny how people get confused about whether or not they're part of the investor class
or part of the 1%.

And by "funny," I mean very, very sad.
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Johnson20 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:29 PM
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9. No I know what was meant. But it upsets
me to no end that people don't give a hoot about what happens to public sector and union retirement plans as they attempt to bring down Wall Street and the Banksters. Something is just wrong about it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:56 PM
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11. Huh? Bring down Wall Street and the Banksters?
Imposing regulations and enforcing laws is not the same thing as bringing them down.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:02 PM
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13. Folks on the right live in a black and white world dontcha know? :) n/t
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:33 PM
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10. Probably related to all the confusion regarding what is a "person".
The problem seems to be that SOME of our smartest folks use their intelligence and education as weapons.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:24 PM
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6. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing them learn the meaning of tumbrel rides..
Purely for educational purposes of course.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 06:17 PM
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14. They should've learned it three years ago
:grr:
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