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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:31 PM
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MLK was a very dangerous negro. We have not yet seen what he saw from that mountain top.
Reposted by permission of the author:

by Joe Moore on Monday, January 17, 2011 at 5:16pm
http://www.facebook.com/#!/note.php?note_id=181607205204533&id=100000494926747

The first oddity was finding that some of the posted videos on Youtube of the speech, usually referred to as his "I have been to the mountain top" speech, or just "final speech" (although I've read about a speech he was due to give a couple days later, titled "Why America might go to hell"), had the audio removed with a note that says the audio is not authorized by WMG (Warner Music Group? though i've also read that his estate exerts considerable control over the rights of his speeches.)

We listened to Part One (10min) of the final speech. Then we tried to listen to Part Two, but again the audio was removed. So we searched for and found the text on-line. I decided to read it aloud, and looked for where we'd left off in the YouTube version. What I found was that the Youtube version had been edited, removing a considerable section of the speech. So I just read aloud from where I found the first stuff we hadn't yet heard.

He was inarguably a "great orator". His voice and his words are moving. The speech is powerful. The part that had been edited out of the Youtube version included a section that was startling. He stated that black people in America are a "poor" people, but that collectively they had more financial resources than all but 9 nations on earth.

"Now the other thing we'll have to do is this: Always anchor our external direct action with the power of economic withdrawal."

MLK was talking about foreign policy, about Vietnam. He may have been aligning the black cause politically with communism. I haven't read that closely enough to say exactly. Clearly he was a dangerous man to the power structures of wealth and social control. However, I really think it was when he starting calling for boycotts; calling out BY NAME the companies that blacks should deny their money and why. When he told millions upon millions of black folk to take their money out of the bank, today, and put it into a single bank that was aligned with the cause of equality for blacks; I believe that's what prompted the series of phone calls that certainly took place somewhere(s) and led to the professional sniper shots that killed him in Memphis on April 3rd, 1968.

He was commanding, with no obscurity, an exact means by which a poor class in our socio-economic structure can claim direct power over a governing minority. That is serious, dangerous stuff. And Martin Luther King Jr. knew what it meant. He knew he was about to be taken out. You can hear it so fucking clearly in this speech. Like lots of other people, whites, blacks and other non-whites who commemorate him today as a hero of civil rights in America, who joke lightly about the benefits of bank holidays and post links to his great "I have a dream" speech, I'm accepting my chance to weep at his awesome truth and tragedy. I'm glad we have Obama as our president today. It means a lot just that he can be identified as a black man. I also do not believe we live in a "post-racial" society, by any stretch of the imagination. And we are far, far from even having a clear public discourse about the class structure of our society.

But why can't I find any audio source of that section of his speech? I understand that far fewer people will ever take the time to read the full, lengthy and complicated texts than will click a button and listen to his magnificent voice.

Why isn't anyone today saying "Hey poor people, blacks, whites, all of you, take your money out of the banking institutions of established power"?

Was Malcolm X killed because he, too, began talking about class as the real structure of power in America, inviting folks to cross the racial lines and unite by class? Was that the straw that broke the gunmen's pause in his situation?

If anyone has read this note this far, maybe you have time to read that speech that I read aloud last night? I'm gonna put a couple links when I'm done writing, because all we did was use Google, Youtube and Wikipedia. The Internet is an important new landscape of non-heirarchical access to free speech as speaker and listener. i hope to the gods that it stays that way.

Ok, I feel sloppy and not well-focused. I hope my gist is here for you. Thanks for reading this. I feel vulnerable and embarrassed. Just another white guy posting about his appreciation for MLK today. Take it or leave it, my friends.

Ok, just a couple more things that stick in my craw: we also read the wikipedia page about James Earl Ray. Before he died in prison, he retracted his confession. Members of King's family supported the idea that Ray was not the man who killed Martin. A "mock trial" was held publicly, according to the wiki-page, where MLK's friend advocated as lawyer for Ray, and the trial found him NOT GUILTY of shooting MLK. Then an actual, legal, civil trial is mentioned where King's family sued Loyd Jowers, a restaurant owner in Memphis, for acting in conspiracy to have MLK killed. They won, and received the amount of $100 in restitution, symbolic only to demonstrate that money was not the object of the trial, but truth.

What does this all mean today?

Ok, enough of me. Here's some links, just a couple obvious ones. The rest are out there to be found:

("full text" of final speech, from Stanford MLK collection.)
http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/index.php/encyclopedia/documentsentry/ive_been_to_the_mountaintop/

(part one of youtube video of speech. this is part where we found the significant text edited out. part two has the audio removed, as per WMG.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_tQ5DdFAk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:34 PM
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1. King is just supposed to be a happy, postage-stamp icon. "Everyone can eat at lunch counters now!"
And then we pat ourselves on the back and go home.

It's that talk of organizing poor people -- gearing up to lead a march of them on Washington - that, as you correctly noted, led to the calls leading to the (U.S. Army?) sniper squads that arrived in Memphis with fairly specific orders...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:45 PM
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3. Maybe that's the problem
believing that powerful and influential people are defined in simplistic terms.

Dr. King was the leader of a movement, he was negotiating with other powerful figures.

It's kind of like the simplistic and ridiculous notion that Barack Obama is a happy icon out of his league. He became the President, that's a clue.

Doesn't mean he has to wear anger on his collar to provide theater for the masses.

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:53 PM
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6. or maybe the problem is turning every thread into an apologia for Obama?
...instead of sticking with the subject at hand?

Are you seriously comparing the risks MLK took to the... risks that Obama assiduously avoids?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:00 PM
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9. "Are you seriously comparing the risks MLK took to the... risks that Obama assiduously avoids? "
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 10:01 PM by ProSense
No that would be callous. What are you implying?

Why is it surprising that MLK was considered a threat?



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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:01 PM
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10. Um, since you responded to me first, the question is, what are *you* implying?
n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:02 PM
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11. I was pefectly clear, but let me repeat:
Dr. King was the leader of a movement, he was negotiating with other powerful figures.

It's kind of like the simplistic and ridiculous notion that Barack Obama is a happy icon out of his league. He became the President, that's a clue.

Doesn't mean he has to wear anger on his collar to provide theater for the masses.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:04 PM
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13. It's even less clear, this time.
Are you comparing King to Obama?

Are you saying that King's actions are comparable to Obama's, and vice-versa?

Or are you saying that since King led on the streets, and Barack chose, instead, to become President, that he is -- by virtue of that choice - necessarily compromised? (Especially compared to Dr. King)?

I'd agree with you on the latter point.
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OrangeGrapes Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:37 PM
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14. You're going to repeat yourself? To what purpose?
When someone asks what your implication is, nothing is gained by repeating yourself. Especially in a typed conversation, when a person can simply look back at what was said.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:39 PM
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15. My comment was
in response to this: " King is just supposed to be a happy, postage-stamp icon. "Everyone can eat at lunch counters now!""

It was an appropriate response. I cannot help with your interpretation of the response.


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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:40 PM
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2. K&R
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:50 PM
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4. kick again to counter the un-rec.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:53 PM
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5. Thanks.
I swear there's some automation involved.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:54 PM
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7. +1
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 09:57 PM
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8. Rec'd. Can't be having any of that Communist talk here.
Wash Dr King. Sanitize him and make him out to be some insipid preacher who just wanted to sit at a lunch counter.

America has failed Dr King. I hope we rectify that one day.
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:04 PM
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12. The hippies didnt consume much, they all recycled. They had to be stopped, at all costs.
Edited on Tue Jan-18-11 10:05 PM by WingDinger
In came the 70's with cocaine, and the first wave of McMansions. Hip Hop, was the smooth ride to the top. While showing off your trash. You scammed a buck however you had to. The end of even seeming honest salesmen. All the better to bleed a buck from. The imposition of Ennui. For more profit. And screw the environment, while we are at it, started when we threw Carter out, and Reagan ripped the solar cells off, as his first act.

As was Bush's advice to us all, after 9/11, go shopping.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 10:43 PM
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16. K&R
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:05 PM
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17. Thanks for the text link. I posted on this a lot today. Here are some links for you:
A video of the 'I Have A Dream' speech at the union hall the night before he was killed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBodqhUGoq0

Here's the link to the text of several of the speeches that MLK gave in support of labor unions:

http://www.afscme.org/about/1550.cfm

BTW, here the video of his anti-war speech that has all but been suppressed in mainstream media, because the MIC owns them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfGsVvnvA9w&feature=play...

About the sanitation strike, the reason MLK went to Memphis. This is what was going on in the South at that time. He's near the end:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1xHuYyp4eI

A shorter version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1LgTXh23Sc

This one is the long version of the anti-war speech, which makes me cry immediately, the very first word:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Bsw0UG-U

Another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UDBziEsn0Y
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-11 11:26 PM
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18. Thanks for all those links
I'll forward them to my friend who wrote the post in the OP. I'm sure he'll appreciate them.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 05:20 AM
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19. kick for the am crowd
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-11 01:28 PM
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