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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:30 PM
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email from repub uncle saying the Seals are angry about the way
their killing of bin-laden is being told. Seals say that's not how it went down. Any other info on this? Of course it's Obama and his administration's fault that we are not being told the truth..
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:33 PM
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1. Yeah....
Edited on Mon Nov-14-11 03:33 PM by trumad
I have an aunt who has a friend who has an uncle who has a Nephew that said the same thing.
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Rabblevox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:37 PM
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5. well, shit. Case Closed! (and well-played)
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:40 PM
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9. Yep, just more bullshit.
I'll guarantee you that the original came off of some RNC keyboard that's never been within a thousand feet of a Navy SEAL.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:11 PM
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21. The author is Chuck Pfarrer. n/t
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:55 PM
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15. Problem? Just asking a question..n/t
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Rabblevox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:33 PM
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2. What, they want more credit for the kill? Get more info from the Unc and get back to us please. /nt
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:45 PM
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12. I asked him for the author and where it was published. Waiting..n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:35 PM
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3. GWB = 9/11, Iraq = MASSIVE FAILURE.
BHO = Killing Bin Laden, withdraw from Iraq = MASSIVE SUCCESS.

Tell your uncle he is buying into GOP bullshit!

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:14 AM
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32. Republicon chickenhawks are shamed by the reality
and are now shoveling shit at supersonic speed to try and re-write history. As usual.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:35 PM
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4. Seals wouldn't talk about it. PERIOD!
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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:51 PM
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13. That's what I've always read about the Seals.
But I have a friend who says he was a Seal (class #50)and that HE's the one who shot Idi Amin. This particular friend is a little hard to believe at times and I always thought that a "true" Navy Seal didn't ever discuss their assignments. :shrug:
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:57 PM
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16. No one shot Idi Amin, he lived in exile in Saudi Arabia nt
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:45 AM
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35. Amin died from liver failure in '03.
Your friend should research his imaginary exploits in more detail. ;)
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:37 PM
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6. Please see this article...
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:44 PM
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28. The Daily Caller???? Bwahahahahha!!!! I smell a swift boat!!!
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:38 PM
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7. This is coming from a book written by an ex-SEAL commander.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/42105/osama-bert-laden-angry-seals-claim-obama-blew-intel

A former commander of Seal Team 6, which carried out the killing, Chuck Pfarrer, interviewed many of the men who took part for his new account, Seal Target Geronimo, reports The Sunday Times.

One of the biggest revelations is the claim that the White House blew valuable intelligence gathered during the mission by announcing Bin Laden's death too soon, giving "time for every other Al-Qaeda leader to scurry to another bolthole" according to Pfarrer.

The Seals are also angry that the White House described the operation as a 'kill mission'. First, says Pfarrer, Bin Laden was killed within 90 seconds of US Navy landing in his compound – though the version of events given to the press suggested his death came towards the end of the 38-minute mission.

He was killed not after a protracted gun battle – but in a clinical operation where just 12 shots were fired.

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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:41 PM
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11. This is what he sent me. I hadn't seen it before..n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:59 PM
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17. Realize SEALS who took place in this
Can't talk...my bsmeter went high when the author went on Dylan's show.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:53 PM
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14. I thought it was a "kill or capture" mission...
or at least that was the original story. This new version - Bin Laden was killed within 90 seconds - makes it seem more like a "kill mission".

Also I think it would have been a mistake to keep Bin Laden's death a secret, that would cause even more confusion and conspiracy theories. I'm sure any President would have announced it as soon as possible.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:39 PM
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8. I think there's a book out that sort of trashes the thing.
Written by someone who says the Seals told him. Seems unlikely to me. Seems political. I think that's where this crap is coming from.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:40 PM
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10. Some author that talked to retired seals for his
book is promoting this. He was on Dylan R's show last week - the book is something called The Real Story of the Killing of Bin Ladin or something like that. You know another RW rewriting of history.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:01 PM
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18. The uncle is a spokesman for the Seals? nt
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:09 PM
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20. Did I say that? He sent me an e-mail..n/t
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:19 PM
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24. No, you did not. Here's what you said:
"...email from repub uncle saying the Seals are angry about the way their killing of bin-laden is being told. Seals say that's not how it went down. Any other info on this? Of course it's Obama and his administration's fault that we are not being told the truth..."

You stated that an email came from the uncle saying "...words, words, etc...." One might infer the words belonged to the uncle.

My response was in the line of - if the uncle is NOT a spokesman for the Seals, then what the fuck difference does it really matter what the uncle said, inasmuch as they are only his words, and if he is NOT their spokesman then he may well be full of shit and doesn't know what the crap he is saying.

Now, is that better? The first time wasn't nearly as explicit, but I think the meaning was there.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:03 PM
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19. Remember when we had people posting here who had a friend/relative in Iraq who swear they seen WMDs?
The stupid, it hurts.

Don
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:13 PM
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22. We may never know the entire story.




SEALs never say or do anything for public consumption.
Even their medal award ceremonies are done in private.
They aren't in it for glory or recognition.


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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:13 PM
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23. What difference does it make?
The basic facts are the same. Bin Laden's still out of action.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:33 PM
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26. Bin Laden's not dead. Look at the stink he's raising right here right now.
The corporate media and the government constructed a heroic narrative around Bin Laden's death. OF COURSE people question it, it's a FUCKING HEROIC NARRATIVE.

You don't have to be a right-winger to suspect that real murders aren't as dramatic and moralistic as mythological narratives.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:37 PM
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27. Um...the book doesn't question the basic fact
that someone shot Bin Laden and he's now 6,000 feet under (the sea).

Shooting him after 90 seconds (as the book claims) is just as much a HEROIC NARRATIVE.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:27 PM
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25. Another "Swift-Boating" Operation Under Way
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 04:46 PM
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29. The Daily Caller is pushing this .... right wing propaganda site.
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:45 AM
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30. Follow up: Special Ops Commander brands book on SEAL raid that killed bin Laden a lie
The U.S. military hit out at the man who wrote a book describing the 'real' version of the Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden, branding it 'a lie' and 'far off the mark'.

U.S. Special Operations Command spokesman Col Tim Nye said the military would never usually go after an author and brand him a liar but their actions show 'how far off the mark we believe this book is'.

He said: 'It's just not true. It's not how it happened.'

Laden with conspiracy theories and attacks on the Obama White House, Chuck Pfarrer's SEAL Target Geronimo claims an alternative version of the raid in which the SEAL team shot bin Laden within 90 seconds of arriving at the Pakistan compound where the al-Qaida mastermind was holed up.

Read the rest: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061799/Osama-bin-Laden-death-raid-Tim-Nye-calls-Chuck-Pfarrer-book-categorically-incorrect.html
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:11 AM
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31. AP: Spec-Ops Command: SEAL raid book 'a lie'
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. Special Operations Command is calling a former Navy SEAL's book bogus, with its claims to describe the "real" version of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden. It's the first time the command made such an statement, in an era of multiple tell-all books about top secret operations.

"It's just not true," U.S. Special Operations Command spokesman Col. Tim Nye said. "It's not how it happened."

http://news.yahoo.com/spec-ops-command-seal-raid-book-lie-090244352.html
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:23 AM
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33. Tell him we were angry about the illegal war in Iraq
And we know Bush wasn't telling the truth.
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blockhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:42 AM
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34. Jessica Lynch shot Bin Laden
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