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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:21 PM
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Just Thinkin Out Loud Here, But... What If #OWS We're To Feed The Poor/Homeless On Thanksgiving ???
Maybe they could combine it with an early Christmas Present/Toy drive as well. Get local churches, unions, community centers, soldiers/vets, and schools/colleges involved. Ask people to go down to the Occupy sites and donate money/food/clothing/toys for those in need this coming Holiday Season. It could be used as an alternative to "Black Friday".

I dare the cops/city "Fathers" to order the removing of food from hungry mouths, the clothes off people's backs, the toys from a child's hand on National TV.

I'd double dare 'em.

Whadda ya think?

:shrug:
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:23 PM
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1. I read somewhere a chef in NY is preparing 1000 meals for the day..n/t
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HappyMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:26 PM
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2. Yes. There are always plenty of
organizations that have Thanksgiving dinners available.

Toys For Tots is already underway.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:30 PM
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3. I Understand That... They've Been Helping The 99% For Years Now, But...
why not combine efforts?

Might get even more people involved with the movement. And it would be great PR.

:shrug:
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HappyMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:33 PM
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4. Well, most places that are already doing this
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 01:36 PM by HappyMe
have everything planned and in place.


edited to add -- Don't want to sound like a bitch, but, your statement about double daring the cops to interfere and it being good pr rubbed me the wrong way. This kind of thing isn't about pr or using poor people as shields.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:42 PM
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8. Yeah... I Probably Could Have Said That Differently, But...
I guess I'm betting that both common decency and common sense will prevail.

Lately however, all evidence is to the contrary.

:shrug:

:hi:


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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:42 PM
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9. No one suggested "using" poor people for anything
The point was that if OWS was doing a traditional good thing, the people would be outraged if anyone dared to shut it down.

After all, the whole point of OWS is that poor people exist because of an unfair economic system. Helping the poor is part of OWS' philosophy, so an outreach like this would be a natural progression of OWS' activities. Nobody is exploiting anybody.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:45 PM
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10. Do you know that many Occupation sites feed homeless folks every day?
Some of them may feel more comfortable with us.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:36 PM
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5. The OWS guy who read FAUX the riot act on youtube (Jesse?) was on Rosie
O'donnel yesterday-- there are plans for a toys for tots drive in the works...

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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:26 PM
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15. Thanks for letting us know this is getting bigger. (No one-eyed monster in my place.)
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:15 PM
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20. Jesse LaGreca
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:36 PM
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6.  Fingers up and wiggling.
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 01:37 PM by Zorra
:applause:

Let's do dinner, shall we?

great idea.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:40 PM
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7. Those fucking commies just would do something like that.
:sarcasm:

I'm sure FOX would have a scrolling banner about commies, socialism, dirty hippies, and handouts.

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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 01:56 PM
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11. How about feeding folks the day after Thanksgiving?
There are tons of organizations that offer Thanksgiving dinners on Thanksgiving, but the day after it's back to scrounging. That would be a true alternative message to send corporate America on Black Friday.

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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:23 PM
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22. Good idea. n/t
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:16 PM
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12. Well, they have been doing a lot
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 02:17 PM by FirstLight
as it is, but this is definitely a good idea... go to your local OWS and bring it up at the next GA!

(ours here is just barely getting of the ground, maybe 30 people...but the next 'gathering' is to have signs at the main intersection of town on Dec. 1)

I recall one of the Portland organizers saying something about the homeless community to the effect of - That here they are getting a bad rap for having drugs and crime in their camps, when really they are providing social services to people who have fallen thru the cracks ...nedical and food, to those who are the undesirables of society.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:17 PM
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13. Local women are organizing to do just this.
So guess where I will be on thanksgiving? Nope, not home.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:24 PM
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14. Great idea. Puts the word OCCUPY in the same ballpark as what they're fighting against:
It would tie them into local people actively involved and widen their message. A few words from a Guardian article, the most significant part to me were these words in the last paragraph:

'...Homelessness is not a side issue unconnected to plutocracy and greed. It's where we're all eventually headed – the 99%, or at least the 70%, of us, every debt-loaded college graduate, out-of-work school teacher and impoverished senior citizen – unless this revolution succeeds.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/24/occupy-wall-street-homelessness-us?commentpage=all#history-link-box

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 02:27 PM
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16. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!
May I repost that?

:bounce:

:hi:
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 03:47 PM
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17. Occupy is about the whole planet. It's ours. Enjoy it. Just remember to also show...
The quoted words are by Barbara Ehrenreich, whose first book was in 2001, 'Nickel and Dimed: On Not Getting by in America.'

Huffpo published the same story as the Guardian, although I would submit that homelessness is not BECOMING an Occupy issue.

It is THE issue. Who owns this planet? Living things or dead things?:

Throw Them Out With the Trash

Why Homelessness Is Becoming an Occupy Wall Street Issue

'...What occupiers from all walks of life are discovering, at least every time they contemplate taking a leak, is that to be homeless in America is to live like a fugitive. The destitute are our own native-born “illegals,” facing prohibitions on the most basic activities of survival. They are not supposed to soil public space with their urine, their feces, or their exhausted bodies. Nor are they supposed to spoil the landscape with their unusual wardrobe choices or body odors. They are, in fact, supposed to die, and preferably to do so without leaving a corpse for the dwindling public sector to transport, process, and burn...'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/throw-them-out-with-the-t_b_1028715.html

And again:

Nickel and Dimed (2011 Version):

On Turning Poverty into an American Crime

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/nickel-and-dimed-2011-ver_b_922330.html

I would suppose that the first article explains what our current plutocracy thinks of the poor, those who followed the rules and still lost at the rigged game.

They should die, and 'reduce the surplus population,' as Scrooge said; they are 'parasites' and it would be doing a service to the new
Supermen to eliminate them, as Ayn Rand, the tea party goddess proclaimed; or they are nothing but 'worthless mouths,' as the Nazis described those who were unfit for military duty.

In other words, if you lose your worth to the machine that is in the elite's possession, kindly stop *occupying* space on *their* planet.

It's been a long time coming, to try to get past all the divisions and distractions that the one-percent owned media offers, to ask some basic questions, which the OWS is asking, about the nature of life and reality itself. Why should a person be molested by other people who are paid to bother them for money, to enforce the limits of where they can breathe? Thomas Paine addressed most of this in Agrarian Justice. I'm pretty sure that OWS knows that work.

And whether we believe or not in he story of Jesus, he was an example of what happens for going against the powerful in the religious and secular powers. Personally, I like this narrative from OWS better than anything the desert religions or philosophies offer as a way to prove a few things:

That we are all one; that we are all equal; that it's about this life, this moment in time and space that we all have been so eager to share. Not about money, ego, nations or power. There is a river in the world's consciousness that goes beyond the physical. But we have created this system, mostly out of ignorance and blinders. The ignorance is hatred and the blinder is fear. That is why the 1% had to get control of all institutions and the media to keep their power.

The causes of homelessness, division and strife worldwide that this corrupted system feeds upon are listed prominently in the OWS's September 28th document generated by the General Assembly, otherwise called, the Declaration of the Occupation of NYC.

Wall Street is indeed War Street and the source of much of the misery on this planet. It's our duty as Americans to change this.

:rant:
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:12 PM
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18. I've been thinking "Occupy Christmas"
A couple of things I'm becoming convinced of. One is that provoking the cops is not in itself a viable long-term strategy. It may happen as a result of doing something the authorities would rather not see going on, but it's counterproductive just to do it for its own sake.

A second is that one of the real strengths of the Occupy movement is the way it's starting to percolate out into the country at large, into the small towns and suburbs. I've been following the tweets and photos of the people marching from OWS to Occupy DC, and random strangers keep popping up out of nowhere to hand them donuts or $20 bills and seemed thrilled at the opportunity. There's a real hunger to do something meaningful and be part of something larger.

So I've started thinking that the Christmas season is ripe for guerrilla acts of generosity and kindness. Not the kind of accepted-channels stuff that's safe and sentimental, but real in-your-face direct action in support of the least among us. And if possible, combining that with protests of Christmas events that are nothing but showcases of ostentation and greed -- like diamonds-and-champagne charity balls.

Hell, maybe even clean up a few homeless people, dress them in rented tuxedos, and crash a toney event. I don't know exactly what it's possible to get away with. But I do know that a large part of the problem is that poverty has been effectively made invisible in this country -- and that forcing the affluent to confront it might be more significant than merely giving out free turkey dinners.

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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:14 PM
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19. The would probably be arrested. Feeding hungry people is a crime you know. NT
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 05:21 PM
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21. The Las Vegas mayor made national news a couple of years ago
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 05:22 PM by Nevernose
When he ordered the arrests of the Food Not Bombs group for feeding the homeless in disregard of a newly passed ordinance. Claimed that they were the reason that homeless people were in parks. Nah, couldn't have had anything to do with the gambling, the high rate of drug abuse, the almost total lack of a social safety net, or the worst mental health care system in the country, could it?
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