Sue Paterno told she can't use Penn State University pool to swim

[The Straight Story]

Sue Paterno told she can't use Penn State University pool to swim

A source close to the Paterno family says Sue Paterno was told to leave a Penn State campus pool where she normally works out.

No reason was given, the source told The Patriot-News, and when reached by email, university spokesman Bill Mahon said, "I have heard nobody discuss this."

Sue Paterno is the wife of legendary former head football coach Joe Paterno, who was fired after allegations of child sexual abuse were filed against his former assistant Jerry Sandusky.

...

Sue Paterno used Penn State facilities to swim and exercise everyday, the source said, but was told Wednesday morning that she could no longer use the facilities.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sue_paterno_told_she_cant_use.html

[Tom Ripley]

1. I believe that family can easily afford a gym membership

[former9thward]

60. The Paterno family has raised 10s of millions for Penn State.

In addition they have personally contributed millions of their own monies for various libraries around the campus. I hope they don't raise or contribute a dime more.

[Vanje]

64. Fuck them

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[Vanje]

72. Too late

I was fucked at age seven.

You'll be VERY relieved to know the guy who did it and his lovely family are okay.

They are successful and well to do, from a real good family and all.

Aint nobody excluding them from any swimming pools. That would be SO unfair.

[Shining Jack]

106. I'm terribly sorry that someting so horrible happened to you.

And anyone defending monsters like these are complicit. :cry:

[Vanje]

69. Those boys were POOR kids! Underpriveledged. "At risk"

They arent nearly as important as the saintly well-to-do Paternos. Nameless little shits who probably never would have been noteworthy in any way.

We're talking about THE PATERNOS here. The very very important Paternos!

The Paternos MATTER. Clearly they do.

[former9thward]

74. The Grand Jury report said he had no knowledge of child rapes.

The grad assistant never said to Paterno that a child was being raped. He told him Sandusky was in the showers with a child. Paterno reported it to his supervisor as he was supposed to do. But facts will not stop you from sloganeering.

[Vanje]

76. Fuck the Paternos

is not a slogan

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[Vanje]

77. Betcha that if Paterno heard

If Paterno heard that Sandusky was in the shower with HIS CHILD , It would have stopped.
Oh Yeah.

Fuck him.

[ZombieHorde]

78. That is not true.

http://www.wgal.com/r/29737266/detail.html

"Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report (about Sandusky) at his home on a Saturday morning (March 2). Paterno testified the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

[TorchTheWitch]

82. Bullshit - The grand jury report said no such thing

In fact, it said that McQuery's testimony in which he claimed that he described in detail to Paterno what he witnessed was "extremely credible". It also said that both Shultz and Curley were not credible (and the reason they were indicted for perjury) was that they both claimed that they were told that what McQuery witnessed was "horsing around" type of behavior. The grand jury report also describes meetings between McQuery, Paterno, Shultz and Curley in which McQuery personally described in detail what he witnessed. The report describes that Paterno was the one who minimized what McQuery had seen on the phone when he called Curley the next day describing it as "fondling" or "doing something of a sexual nature" to a boy in the shower. Read it. The grand jury report also describes a meeting between McQuery, Paterno and Shultz in which McQuery again described in detail what he had witnessed, but Shultz testified that what was described was minimized by McQuery, and this is in part why Shultz was deemed to have lied to the grand jury and why he was indicted for perjury.

Why Paterno was not also indicted for perjury by claiming he was not told by McQuery in detail what he witnessed is because he must have told the grand jury the truth that he WAS told this by McQuery in his testimony and that Paterno himself was the one who minimized what he was told by McQuery what was witnessed to Curley on the phone. Paterno would have learned of the details of what was witnessed TWICE - once when told by McQuery privately at his home and again in the meeting with Shultz and McQuery in which McQuery described again in detail what he witnessed. And this is what the grand jury report states.

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

Read it.

[former9thward]

90. I have read it.

First I was talking about Paterno -- not the other two. Second McQuery has said (and in recent days has changed his story) that he saw a boy being pinned against the wall and anally raped. He said he became upset and left and told Paterno the next day. This is not what he told Paterno by the very words you quoted. McQuery in recent days has now said he intervened and stopped the rape. A completely different story.

[TorchTheWitch]

96. read it again

Here are relevant quotes from the grand jury report...

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

"The next morning, a Saturday, the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno's home, where he reported what he had seen."

"Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."
*(bold emphasis mine)

According to the grand jury report it was PATERNO who down-played what McQuery told him when he called Curley to report the allegations. It's RIGHT THERE in those quotes taken verbatim from the report.

I WAS talking about Paterno. Both Shultz and Curley's testimonies and why the grand jury found them to be lying is directly tied to Paterno's testimony and what he knew and when he knew it.

You claimed that Paterno DID NOT KNOW about the allegations against Sandusky to be any more than taking a shower with a boy falsely claiming that the grand jury report said that McQuery did not tell Paterno that he witnessed a boy being anally raped. All of that is FALSE even according the grand jury report you cited. Paterno DID know because he was told by McQuery and told AGAIN in the meeting he had with McQuery and Shultz in which McQuery again described what he witnessed.

All of that is right in the grand jury report you cited falsely claiming that Paterno didn't know about the seriousness of the allegations from McQuery or anyone else. READ IT.


Your claims about what McQuery said in an email recently have no relevance to what you claimed about Paterno and what he knew, from whom, and when he knew it. It's nothing but an attempt to misdirect, from what you claimed about Paterno (which you accused me of doing). But since you brought it up... McQuery did NOT say in the email that he intervened and stopped the rape. He said he made sure it was stopped before he left the locker room which could (and probably did) mean nothing more than when the boy and Sandusky noticed him witnessing what was happening Sandusky stopped on his own and mostly likely fled in fear that McQuery was going to go after him and beat the shit out of him.

The grand jury report says NOTHING about what occurred after McQuery was seen by Sandusky and the boy witnessing what was happening which is being ASSUMED to mean that nothing DID occur and that Sandusky just continued raping the boy. The report does not mention any of that because it isn't relevant to what information the grand jury is interested in. The report is merely a summary of what the grand jury considers the most relevant points of all the testimony from all the witnesses and very little of it is mentioned in the report. There were around 40+ witnesses that testified and only a handful of their testimony is recorded in the report and only the relevant portions of it.

[former9thward]

99. What you quoted is far far different

than a boy being pinned against a wall and anally raped. And why has McQuery now given two completely different stories about what happened?

[Gormy Cuss]

110. But in either version Paterno possessed statements of child sexual abuse.

"Fondling" is sexual abuse just as clearly as anal rape is.

[former9thward]

115. Of course it is but at a much different level.

A different crime in fact. Paterno said he was told "something of a sexual nature" or "fondling" occured. It is clear Paterno did not know exactly what happened and may not have trusted that McQuery saw things accurately. So he reported it as required. Paterno and the other two officials have all testified to the same thing -- McQuery did not tell any of them about a child rape. McQuery's story has changed now and either he lied to the Grand Jury or he is lying now. There is no reconciliation of the two versions. His credibility as a witness at trial will be about zero as a result.

[Vanje]

117. Weak

Oh No Problemo! MAYBE he only heard that mere SEXUAL FONDLING of a 10 year old child had occured.

Like THAT would be okay!!???

Mere SEXUAL fondling!!!??? of a 10 year old!??

CHRIST! Listen to yourself!

[former9thward]

120. You are making up what was heard and told.

But you have company.

[Gormy Cuss]

119. And even though it's a minor offense, failure to report suspected child abuse is still an offense.

But back to the "level" of child sexual abuse involved: it matters not in terms of whether a crime was committed. It only matters in terms of the degree of the charge and subsequent potential penalties.

[former9thward]

121. The Grand Jury indicted two people for that crime.

They did not indict Paterno. If McQuery can not get his story straight, and I think it is fatally compromised, the two will walk.

[Gormy Cuss]

122. The failure to indict him doesn't mean that he was completely innocent.

From what I've read the offense of not reporting in PA is probably considered too insignificant for a Grand Jury.

[former9thward]

125. They did indict Paterno's two supervisors for that crime.

So not too insignificant for them. Paterno has said he should have done more in hindsight. In hindsight alot of people should have done things differently.

[TBF]

109. McQuery needs to get his story straight -

and you should think about your need to defend rapists.

[former9thward]

114. I would rather hear the evidence first. I guess I am weird like that.

But some are willing to just go on the word of a prosecutor. I do criminal defense and prosecutors tell lies all of the time. They intimidate witnesses to embellish stories and outright lie. Sorry you are ok with that.

"McQuery needs to get his story straight". Yeah I guess he does. He has told two completely different stories so he either lied to the Grand Jury or he is lying now. BTW it is interesting to note that McQuery continued to socialize with Sandusky after his report. Sandusky had no official connection with the team then and McQuery was not some kid, he was 28 year old man. So he was socializing with someone who he had accused of child rape. Interesting. People just don't do that.

[TBF]

116. Well I have to agree that they all will get their trials as they should -

but I'm not going to tar and feather the prosecutor just on your say-so (defense lies too - as I know from my years as a paralegal actually reading the documents in cases).

As to their socializing together, folks do the craziest things. There were folks who socialized with Hitler I'm sure ...

I guess we'll see how it all plays out.

[TheWraith]

123. No, that's not what the Grand Jury report said.

The Grand Jury report said that PATERNO said that he didn't know anything. Which is not the same thing as him ACTUALLY not knowing anything, particularly when the university administrators knew, and when the grad student said that he told him. Even by Paterno's own account, he admitted the grad student told him that Sandusky was doing something inappropriately sexual with the child.

Really, even if Paterno was telling the complete truth, and didn't understand what the grad student saw, what the fuck is the purpose of defending him? Like he's not going to get off light enough already?

[ZombieHorde]

70. Taking the side of child rape? Were you laughing when you typed that?

Damn. You must really love football, or trolling, or rape, or some combination of the three.

[former9thward]

73. You really like building strawmen.

Of course when you don't have facts .....

[Vanje]

75. Zomb, What you dont get.....

....is that those children were nobodies.
Nameless "underprivileged" boys from unimportant families. Its not like they were ever going to amount to anything anyway....compared to the great , very important Paterno family.

Hell! Kids like that should be thankful to be in the presence of such greatness, (and thankful to use the university's athletic facilities) even if they had to GET FUCKED for the priveledge.

[Pisces]

86. I hope they don't either. The community could use less from people who turn a blind eye to molestate

rs. They can take their money and shove up their ass.

[yardwork]

88. I think you're missing the liability issue here. Joe Paterno is implicated in a very serious crime.

Contributing millions of dollars isn't supposed to put a person above the law.

[former9thward]

103. The post was about his wife.

But what crime is Joe Paterno implicated in? Why didn't the Grand Jury indict him? Who said contributing millions put you above the law? Anymore strawmen you want to put up there?

[Tom Ripley]

97. You really don't get it, do you?

[former9thward]

102. You really don't get it, do you?

See, I can post meaningless posts also.

[Tom Ripley]

104. You had already demonstrated that ability

[Shining Jack]

105. "See, I can post meaningless posts also. "

Oh we sure can see that, now the question is can you also post meaningful posts?

[FSogol]

2. I hope she said, "Do you know who I am?"

:shrug:

[Liberal_in_LA]

17. lol n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. I feel sorry for Paterno's family

They must be in absolute agony over all of this.

[southernyankeebelle]

37. Don't feel sorry for them. JoePa knew what was going on. He chose to bury his head in the sand.

[MadBadger]

50. Not sure what that has to do with feeling sorry for the rest of his family

[former9thward]

61. That is not what the Grand Jury report says.

But of course you know more about the evidence than they did.

[yardwork]

89. Having read the Grand Jury report, I actually know what it says. Paterno knew.

[former9thward]

91. Quote Paterno's testimony to that effect.

[TheWraith]

124. Oh right, he's just going to run out and admit that he was accessory after the fact to child rape.

Yeah, that's likely. After all, it's not like it's evidence when, I dunno, every other piece of testimony and fact indicates that he knew and either did nothing or actively covered it up.

[former9thward]

128. Made up internet stories as I knew.

Creating testimony that you want because of course they are not going to confess! So we have to do it for them! Which McQuery story do you believe -- the one he told the Grand Jury or the one he tells now? Because one of them has to be a lie.

[TheWraith]

129. You might want to actually read the Grand Jury report.

You might learn things--like the fact that the GJ found McQueary (you might want to get his name right, too) to be extremely credible in his testimony. And that his current comments in the media that the rape stopped before he left the showers aren't contradicted by anything that has been RELEASED from the grand jury report, which does NOT contain the entirety of his testimony, only a summary of the facts immediately relating to the crime.

[Vanje]

39. Yes. Dammit!

It was only a bunch of riff-raff kids.
So unimportant that No one even KNOWS THEIR NAMES!
What the Hell is THAT all about!?
We're talking FOOTBALL here!
Football is important.
Penn State had a VERY IMPORTANT FOOTBALL PROGRAM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Friends and kinfolk of important football persons DESERVE to splash around in Penn State's pool.

[Marrah_G]

53. Dont feel bad for them. Joe kept the scandal underwraps so they could continue to get richer.

Feel badly for the boys who suffered because of his actions.

[proud2BlibKansan]

55. I feel even worse for the boys

[Vanje]

66. Do the young sexual abuse victims get to use the nice pool?

......without paying for it by being FUCKED!?

[Vanje]

71. But not enough agony that they miss their swim date.

[tabasco]

4. Sense of entitlement.

Not your private pool, babe.

[WolverineDG]

7. If it's open to the public, it's not a sense of entitlement

Our local university's gym & pool are open to the public. If you aren't a student or employee, you have to pay $25/month.

forgot to add: if her access was based on her husband's employment, then she lost that when he got fired.

dg

[PAMod]

14. Paterno is a tenured professor

they did't fire him - just relieved him of his coaching duties, etc.

[tabasco]

24. LOL.

"The former head football coach retains tenure in the department of kinesiology."

"Smith, a Penn State professor from 1968 to '96, said of Paterno: "He's never done anything as far as a professorial role. He's gone to one faculty meeting in 50 years."

"A Penn State official said the university was unable to confirm that Paterno retains tenured status."

http://articles.philly.com/2011-11-17/sports/30410602_1_tenured-professor-penn-state-jerry-sandusky

[Vanje]

40. ~~~~~~~~~~

Fuck him.

He should be in jail for aiding and abetting.

[coalition_unwilling]

59. Professor of playground supervision? - n/t

[tabasco]

21. I have never seen a university facility, such as a pool,

that was open to the public.

Students pay tuition for that stuff.

[WolverineDG]

27. Just because you've never seen it

doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And it does. At the university in the town where I live.

dg

[tabasco]

28. I used to work at Penn State.

Their pools, gyms, etc. are not open to the publuic.

[WolverineDG]

32. Which is why I said "IF" in the first place

:eyes:

Jeez Louise.

dg

[xocet]

35. Inclusive OR

Indoor Pool Admission Fees:

Complete our Semester/Annual Pass Request form online then print and bring to the Customer Service Desk at the McCoy Natatorium.

Individual Passes (Indoor Pools Only)

• Single Admission -- $5.00
  
  
• Student Semester Membership is included in your Fitness Membership
  
  
• Faculty / Staff Semester Membership -- $70.00/Semester
  
  
• Faculty / Staff Annual Membership -- $155.00
  
  
• Community Semester Membership -- $78.00/Semester
  
  
• Community Annual Membership -- $180.00

...
(http://www.athletics.psu.edu/rec/nat/admission.asp)

So, either:

they changed their policy
or
you must have meant something different by the word "open"
or
"publuic" is an intentional misspelling that references no extant category of persons
or
the list "pools, gyms, etc" has some hidden condition attached to it that remains to be brought out
or
"Penn State" means something entirely different to you
or
your tenure at Penn State was so severely limited as to have no finite duration
or
you don't know that of which you speak
or
all of the above inclusively.

Which of these statements applies?

[tabasco]

58. Read "public"

as "not a fee-paying member."

HOPE IT HELPS!

I'm guessing Mrs. Paterno was not a member. What's your guess, SFB?

[treestar]

84. They might be now

This is what an open mind does.

[hack89]

8. She and her husband gave the school a library

in addition to millions of dollars.

This is petty and will do nothing but piss a lot of alumni.

[Cid_B]

10. Agreed...

Petty...

[Shining Jack]

107. I'm really not surprised by your comments. n/t

[Ohio Joe]

12. To be fair...

Her husband also helped give them a huge scandal by allowing a sexual predator ongoing access to his prey. I'm not sure I think a library makes up for that.

[hack89]

13. From all accounts she is a gracious and kind woman - this is petty. nt

[Ohio Joe]

15. I'm a swell guy, do you think that is enough for me to use it?

Now... I don't know the rules of use but I assume she no longer qualifies. I expect it has nothing to do with how nice she is.

[hack89]

33. If you had a long history of generosity and philanthropy

then yes - it is good enough for you to use. Don't you think good people and good deeds should be rewarded? I do.

[Lyric]

38. Charity and generosity are their own reward.

Otherwise they aren't charity and generosity--they're just another transaction with the expectation of "payment" in one form or another.

[hack89]

43. But if the privilege was extended graciously

with no promise of a quid pro quo

[Gormy Cuss]

111. then the privilege can be rescinded and Mrs. Paterno can have fond memories.

If she expects this privilege in perpetuity it IS a quid pro quo.

[Ohio Joe]

44. Who gets to define "good"?

They gave money to the school that made them super rich through direct payment and association... Sounds almost like a kick back to me. How much will they donate to the school now that hubby has been fired? Will she volunteer any of the millions to any of the victims? That would be good. Is it being "good" to stand by a monster who fed children up for sexual assault and rape? Was she being "good" when she helped hubby shelter his money from potential lawsuits from the victims? I'm just not seeing the "good".

[hack89]

57. You seemed determined to find only the bad

I will just leave you with cynicism.

[Johonny]

16. making good desicions doesn't appear to be a Penn State strength

now or in the past. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

[treestar]

22. agreed - guilt by association, too

Unless they have good reason based on his status with the university and her benefits coming from that.

[tuckessee]

46. Really?

Was she just being gracious when she tried to contact former vice president of student affairs Vicki Triponey who wanted apply the same standards of discipline to football players that were applied to regular students?

Read Wednesday's USA Today.:eyes:

[Vanje]

41. He aided and abetted the sexual abuse of children.

Petty?

[MadBadger]

51. I thought we were talking about Sue Paterno?

Who is this "He" you are referring to?

[Vanje]

63. If I get fired and lose special privledges....

If I get fired and lose special work associated privledges because I committed a crime , my family members also lose the privledges they had by being family of employee.

I know. Its SO mean!

The humanity!

I really do not imagine why these people could stand to show their faces in public.

(I retain strong feelings because I was fucked by an adult at age seven.)

[tabasco]

18. Wonder where they got the money?

King JoePa had to return some of the tribute from time to time. Good political move.

[Tom Ripley]

23. Exactly (n/t)

[MadBadger]

49. Life isnt as black and white as you make it seem

[woodsprite]

5. If she's an alumnus, than she should still be allowed

However, if she was using spousal benefits and said spouse was fired,
then they're right on the money. If you're fired from the school I work
at, your kids and spouse lose their access also.

[Gormy Cuss]

112. Note that the linked item makes reference to working out another arrangement.

It may be that she is being transitioned from the access level accorded to current staff families to one more suitable for alumni and former staff's families.

[Zywiec]

6. I guess when you donate millions of dollars and build a library at the school

you could expect to use the pool.

[Liberal_in_LA]

19. millions made from working at that school or off of ties to that school

[TheDebbieDee]

9. Perhaps there was concern for her personal safety!

I'm sure that Sandusky's victims have family members/friends that may misdirect their anger.........

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

11. Sue Paterno

Wonder what Joe thinks when he hears that.

[apocalypsehow]

52. Haaahaaaaaa! Another case-in-point as to why I wish we could Rec individual posts. n/t.

[Seedersandleechers]

108. At least a thumbs up or thumbs down like they do

in the comment section of the news blogs. (Greetings from the MO side of KC) :hi:

[piratefish08]

20. she's the 99% - welcome Sue!

life's a motherfucker and full of undeserved kicks in the ass.

[Broderick]

25. I am amazed she would show her face there

with all the turmoil going on. Some people in their entitlement know no bounds of tact.

[Vanje]

42. Me too

Some kind of princess.

[eilen]

26. I think it was kind of ballsy for her to show up there. nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

29. I bet Paterno wishes he had told Sandusky that 12 years ago

[undeterred]

30. Maybe they're afraid she'll get raped in the showers.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. It takes a LOT of nerve for anyone with the last name 'Paterno' or 'Sandusky' to show their face

at that school for any reason whatsoever. Honestly. Who are these people? :grr:

[Politicalboi]

34. I bet she knew what was going on at Penn State

Since the allegations in 1998, how could she not know. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a joke among the Paterno's and others.

[MadBadger]

48. I bet you eat poo all day

See, i can make baseless accusations too.

[BOHICA12]

113. Since the entire NCAA Community went hands off Sandusky in 1998

you can probably bet dollars to donut holes that lots knew the creep was bad news, Sue would be one of those.

[LeftyMom]

36. She's going to be involved in the lawsuits, so it's best to keep her at arm's length.

Over the summer Joe Paterno sold their house to her for a dollar, presumably to protect it in the event of a lawsuit, as he would have had wind of the investigation at that point. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sports/ncaafootball/in-july-paterno-transferred-ownership-of-home-to-his-wife-for-1.html

edit: She's an alumna, they met in the library when she was a student and he was faculty. Yuck.

[sylveste]

45. when all

is said and done. i wouldn't be suprised if joe pa wins a suit against penn st.

[MadBadger]

47. Turns out the Pool was closed today

It would be a petty move to turn Sue away.

[SoCalDem]

54. Um..fired means that the former employee & family no longer have use

of the facilities... not unexpected at all.

[MadBadger]

56. He is still a tenured professor at the University so...

[Vanje]

68. How very very special he must be.

nt

[Tom Ripley]

98. What was his thesis topic?

[JoePhilly]

62. Glad I'm not being held responsible for things some of my family members have done.

That I knew nothing about.

[bluedigger]

65. Penn ST did the right thing here.

She may be involved in litigation with them. It's best that she not use the facilities. If she is insulted or humiliated by their action it is her own fault, as the source of the information was from her side. The university did not publicize the action, but probably should have had their spokesman in the loop. They are still reacting to everything.

[alcibiades_mystery]

79. As somebody who has met and interacted with

Sue Paterno, I find this despicable. I also find the people celebrating it on this thread despicable.

Sorry, but she's a wonderful person, and some people here are vindictive fucking assholes.

Cheers, all.

[Vanje]

80. Oh tHE hUMANITY!

Who cares if the system that enriched her, FUCKED children.

Hey, thery were shity crappy., no-one-evewr-knew=-their nAAMES children , so who cares.
Rotten little shit-asse3d kids anyway!

[Name removed]

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[Vanje]

81. Oh! Let her SWIM! Let Sue Paterno SWIM!

Because she is a "wonderful person."

[nini]

87. Do you think she was in the dark on all this? I doubt it very much

I'm sure her sainted husband told her what was going on.. which makes her no better than her self centered enabler husband.

Wonderful people don't shut up until someone like Sandusky is sitting in a jail cell and those kids are protected.

Screw her.

[Fumesucker]

92. One in four girls and one in six boys is molested in some way..

And the great majority will never tell anyone..

There are some very powerful emotions here, covering up an ongoing series of crimes such as has evidently happened at PSU brings out long suppressed and painful memories for some of us.

Joe Paterno and his wife deserve an impartial court and a presumption of innocence in that court, that's not true for public opinion.

[Vanje]

93. Hey. I tried to tell. Repeatedly.

No one believed me, because my raper was from a prominent family, an Eagle Scout.
Then as now.
No one wants to hear about it.


My abuser continues an apparent carefree life as a prominant successful citizen and family man. He works with state government.
I bet he and his family swim in a neat swimming pool.

[Vanje]

94. When I tried to tell

I got hit.

[Fumesucker]

95. Which is why most kids never say anything..

It was about thirty years before I ever told anyone.

[U4ikLefty]

83. The Eva Braun of Penn State loses her swimming priviliges in the PS pool...oh noes!

At least her ass will be safe in the shower.

Can't say that for 10-year olds.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

100. Why should we care?

:nopity:

[Jamastiene]

101. I cannot muster up any pity at all for her.

Her husband aided and abetted and child rapist and got fired from there. That means no more free swims there. I'm sure she can afford to join a damn gym.

I have zero sympathy for the Paternos. :nopity:

[malthaussen]

118. Some interesting responses, here

It's a funny old thing... I was under the impression that progressives were opposed to the principle of collective guilt.

-- Mal

[nini]

126. Another funny thing..

is the nature of this beast and the fact that the Mrs surely knew what was going on too. Therefore she doesn't deserve kid glove treatment either.

Perhaps if there were no facts available you might have a point.. but there are, so your 'progressives' comment is a big fail.


See - most progressives I know are appalled at child molestation and anyone even slightly involved in something like what happened at Penn State had blood on their hands - even if it's just drops.

[Shining Jack]

127. +1 n/t