I think the cyclist was looking to pick a fight: Gun carrying cyclist kills dog.

[The Backlash Cometh]

Cyclist fatally shoots dog in Davie
Scooby, a Doberman pinscher in training to be a therapy dog, was shot and killed in his owner's front yard on Thanksgiving by a cyclist carrying a gun.

According to Davie police, the man who shot Scooby said the 2-year-old dog had attacked him. But the dog's owner, Dan Abou, said Scooby would have never harmed anyone.

"It's very alarming that someone would be riding a bike with a gun at 11 a.m. on Thanksgiving Day," Abou said on Friday. "That man came here looking for trouble. I still can't believe this."

Davie Police Capt. Dale Engle said that the incident remains under investigation and that the shooter has not been charged. The man's name was not available on Friday. Engle said the man had a permit for the weapon.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/fl-davie-dog-shot-20111125,0,3889310.story

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[Tom Ripley]

2. Fatal bicycle accidents are very commonplace

[Marnie]

33. Fine, but how many involve dogs?

Much less dogs who are apparently in their own front yard?
Much much less dogs who have been tested for their human friedlyness and pacifity toward humans and been OK'd to be trained as aide dogs.

Assuming, that the dog was in it own yard, and that it did attack the bicyclists, why did it attack? What stimulated a dog, already chosen for its peaceful friendly nature, to attack?

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Let me guess where this happened..

..Yup, good guess.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

5. I guessed wrong

Now if someone had sex with the dog, I would have guessed there.

[xchrom]

4. This is what happens in a gun loving society.

People shoot living things up.

[ThomWV]

28. This is also what happens in a world of irresponsible dog owners.

[LeftyMom]

6. The problem with guns is that the people who want them are the people who shouldn't have them.

I don't have a problem with guns, I know how to use them and they don't scare me. But the people who feel the need to carry a gun everyplace or to own many? THEY scare me, 'cause they're usually paranoid loons.

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[RSillsbee]

30. I assume you have some documentation? NT

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[RSillsbee]

50. I'll take that as a "No" NT

[LeftyMom]

52. You want me to document my personal observation?

Pray tell, how does that work?

PS Didn't respond earlier because I was out having a life. Sorry if that's inconvenient.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

7. Too early to tell Hopefully there are witnesses.

I carry a firearm almost every day, I am yet to go looking for a dog to shoot.

[Marnie]

34. Why do you feel so threatened that you find it necessary

to protect yourself with deadly force 24/7/forever?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

40. Where I live, we all carry full time for safety.

Less so away from the house, provided I have suitable storage.

[CreekDog]

51. he's afraid of duplicate threads

they are very dangerous! :D

[ProgressiveProfessor]

53. They are rude and disruptive but pose no threat

[CreekDog]

55. they aren't rude if you can't see the original thread

and often they are on a related but not same exact topic.

[Tesha]

9. We hear here often how dobies, etc. would never hurt anyone.

But our neighbor just got stitches because her own dobie chomped
on her hand when she accidentally startled the dog at night.

Bicyclists often encounter vicious and/or highly territorial dogs. And
when they do, there are relatively few strategies: put the bicycle
between you and the dog, whack them with your air pump, or,
I suppose, shoot them. But submitting to a dog attack when you
have any other option seems like a bad choice.

And no matter how often it's denied here, some breeds are far
less well-behaved than others; these breeds of dog simply
shouldn't exist.

Tesha

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[ProgressiveProfessor]

13. At some point a statistical review is called for

We ban some weapons because they are "too dangerous" or look evil . Its done without a lot of rational thought, but it has been upheld in the courts.

*IF* there are breeds that statistically more dangerous would parallel limitations upon them be reasonable? I would insist on valid analysis so that dog owners/breeders/fanciers do not have to go through what gun owners have (BS based on emotions).

The thought to equate the two is far from original from me. Heard it first from a person deep in their zealousness to ban breeds they did not like.

[Marnie]

36. "...do not have to go through what gun owners have (BS based on emotions)."

It is exactly the "emotions" and need to use deadly force, of the people who want to carry gun at all times that is the reason the rest of us think there should be stringent psychological testing and back ground checks and a very high bar to cross over to allow private citizens to carry deadly. Especially when the vast majority of citizens never have a need for it.

I have had the need in my home and traveling on the road, three times. And the mere presence of a small pistol was sufficient. But I still feel no need to carry deadly force 24/7.

[RSillsbee]

38. So, let me ask you

I have had the need in my home and traveling on the road, three times. And the mere presence of a small pistol was sufficient. But I still feel no need to carry deadly force 24/7.

1.) Did you pass "stringent psychological testing and back ground checks" before you carried that gun? If not why not? Are you somehow exempt?

2.)On the dates those incidents occure did you wake up thinking 'I'm going to need a gun today so I should probably take one w/ me."?

3.) just for the hell of it, were you carrying legally?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

39. The comment was about ownership, not CCW

which is comparable about owning breeds of dogs. CCW is another issue entirely.

Not sure I can carry a full grown Dobie concealed, nor would I want to try

[Tesha]

15. Okay, you tell me: what, *EXACTLY*, should my neighbor do with their dobie? *

What, *EXACTLY*, should a bicyclist do when confronted with an
attacking dog?

What, *EXACTLY*, should a parent do when a dog attacks their toddler?

Tesha

* I ask because they are pondering this question right now. They
could keep the dog, but there's obvious risk, even if they work
(further) with a trainer. They *CANNOT* adopt the dog out nor
can any agency; the dog now has a "criminal record" with the
authorities as the dog bite had to be reported when the owner
was treated in the ER for the dog bite. The dog could go to a
shelter (permanently), but what are are the odds for a happy life
there? Or it could be put down. So what should they do?

[Drahthaardogs]

22. I am a dog-man, have played the doggie games for years.

Retriever trials, hunt tests, pointing dog trials, and a bit of French Ring work. Here is what you do. If the dog is a working dog that lives in a kennel and comes out for work or training, you make sure the toddler is somewhere else when the dog is out doing its thing. If they are hoping to make this dog a family pet, this dog gets put down. There is no room in a family for a dog that will attack its owner's children (there is a fundamental lack of respect for the owner with this dog right there). You do not pass this dog along to the next family, where it could hurt someone else's kids. Yeah, Cesar Milan could work this dog out, I could probably work this dog out, but 99.5% of the people cannot or will not work this dog out. You do not take the chance. Your kid's life is worth more than the dog's life.

[RSillsbee]

31. What you do EXACTLY

Is you deal w/that individual dog. you don't come kill my Dobie because of what your neighbor's dog did.


Just like you don't get to ban my firearms because of what some random criminal did

[Tesha]

46. Which may be exactly what our bicyclist did. (NT)

[RSillsbee]

56. Absolutely but I hold the owner responsible

not the dog

[Union Scribe]

20. You do this in every dog attack thread.

It's like you're incapable of admitting that dogs can pose a danger to people.

[TBF]

27. There are some breeds of people who should not exist either -

the stupid ones mainly.

[bluestate10]

10. Dogs can be deterred with water spray from water bottles. The spray

surprises them and then pik the dog's curiosity. Cyclists can be long gone by the time the dog regain it's senses. Riding a bike with a gun sounds dangerous to not only the cyclist but to passing motorists and people in homes that the cyclist rides by.

[Codeine]

17. Yeah, I really don't think I'll face down an attacking dog with a

squirt bottle, thanks. If a dog was actually attacking you it would likely never notice that it was getting a little water on its snout.

[Drahthaardogs]

24. It depends on the dog

I have some serious dogs, and know that prey drive and territorial aggression levels are really the deciding factor in this situation. A dog that enjoys chasing a biker for the thrill of the chase will be deterred by a splash of water, a dog that has a high prey drive and territorial aggression that wants to eliminate the threat will attack, and a squirt gun will not stop them in the least. Serious dogs are best left to serious owners. Sadly, people buy dogs for their looks instead of their temperaments. It is where most problems arise. The majority of people should own nothing more aggressive than a golden retriever.

[michreject]

18. Dogs can be deterred with water spray

So does a 230 gr. JHP at 800fps.

How does my carrying a gun put you in danger?

[BiggJawn]

11. I had 2 dogs herd me into a fence once.

One came from behind, the other was ahead of me and moved in front of me. Couldn't stop, the one behind would have gotten me. Couldn't sprint, the other one was in my path. Tried to fake out the one in front, went off the road, into the fence.

I went to bike shop after I got home and patched up and bought the BIG fuckin' can of "HALT!"

Another route took me past a huge German Shepard with 20/10 eyesight who thought he owned everything he could see.

The Law says dogs are to be behind fences or on a leash at all times. It's not followed, nor enforced.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Poor doggie. People who let their dog run off leash and un-fenced are assholes.

Build a fence if you want your dog to run free. Or take them to a dog park.

My dog minds very well and would never run off but I don't know about the OTHER dog - or the squirrel or the cars or whatever. She doesn't like being approached by off leash dogs while she is on-leash. Off leash at the dog park is no problem - I know part of the issue is the cues she picks up from me.... but pulling two dogs apart is no fun so I tense up.

I've given up all pretense about being civil on about the matter here in Chicago. The first thing I say is "get your fucking dog on a leash, asshole. Or I'll swear out a complaint right now."

For the longest time I wondered how my dog ended up with cuts on her face... Until one morning I noticed the asshole across the alley going out her back gate to jog with her off leash Golden. The idiot would stand their while her off leashed dog and my fenced dog would go at it under the opening in the fence. Fucking moron - and an M.D. to boot.

[whistler162]

16. Cul-de-sac neighborhood... did the cyclist take

a wrong turn, does he live in the cul-de-sac, visitng someone, or is the house close to the main street?

[Codeine]

41. Why does it matter?

He's free to pedal down a cul-de-sac should he choose.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

42. Does not matter

[whistler162]

47. Yup.. must not think must not question must not analyze!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

48. From a legal and moral perspective what kind of neighborhood is irrelevant

Regardless of the answer to the question you posed, it makes no difference.


It was a cul-de-sac and the dog owner tried the "everybody does it" and "He was a sweet doggie" excuses.

[Union Scribe]

19. That's what the dog's owners always say.

My little pookie bear would never hurt anyone!

[Progressive dog]

21. how childish

[ThomWV]

23. From a similar experience years ago, if its similar, I'm glad he shot the dog

At the moment I have 5dogs, and I love them dearly. I've always had dog.

Back when I lived in Miami and had a motorcycle as my only form of transportation I used to be chased by a very large dog two or three times a week when coming home from work. The chase was on a very narrow one-lane road that had a tall fence right at the road edge on one side and houses on the other. The dog's owner would not constrain the dog even though I went to the house and asked the ass hole to do it. Finally I told him I'd either have the police deal with it and if they wouldn't he could expect to find his dog with a bullet in hits head.

As it worked out, and it took weeks to arrange it, I stopped at the police station on the way home and actually got a cop to follow me as the dog (well over 100 pound Belgian Shepherd) chased me into the fence. The cop stopped at the guys house as I rode away and I never saw that dog unleashed again. But if that cop had not done his job I was fully prepared to put a bullets in the dog within days. I certainly was not going to put my life in jeopardy over a worthless dog and an even worse owner. I this guy couldn't get the police to do their job then I think he was right to kill the beast. I dam sure would have.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

43. The issusance of such threats often makes the situation worse

Just do it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

25. I don't have much use for either...

..guns or dobes.

Hard to pick a favorite in this story.

[TBF]

26. Feel very bad for the owner here but he should've had his dog near him -

my dog is only off leash in the back yard (6' fence). Poor Scooby! :cry:

[Darth_Kitten]

29. but no, cyclists are always pure....

I mean, the people on bikes are always conscious about respecting everybody. :sarcasm:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

44. Hopefully we don't go there....

[RSillsbee]

32. Stories like this just piss me off

No matter how much you love your little pookie, your little pookie is an animal. It does not have the power of reason. It doesn't know that it shouldn't go running into the street or why. You wouldn't leave your toddler unsupervised in the front yard why would you leave your dog unsupervised?

I had a neighbor that told me the day he moved in that his dog (Blue Heeler) was a cat killer and if I left my cats outside(another pet peeve of mine) his dog would likely jump the fence and kill them and sorry but that's just the way he is.

I told me neighbor "Thanks for the warning and if I ever see your dog in my yard I'm going to shoot him. Sorry, that's just the way I am."

Funny, I never saw that dog outside the fence one time. Although ,to be fair the dog was at least 20 pounds over weight and probably couldn't have got over that fence if I threw him over it.

It also turned out to be a really nice dog

[MicaelS]

35. So the dog owner admits he violated the Broward County ordinance

"He told us the dog attacked him and he feared for his life," said Engle. "The dog was not on a leash, but we are still looking at what exactly happened."

By ordinance in Broward County, dogs that are outdoors must remain under direct, physical control of a person using a leash, cord or chain or be kept behind a fence.

Abou, 24, acknowledged that his dog had been playing in the front yard without a leash while the family was preparing its Thanksgiving meal.

He said most of the residents in his Whispering Pines cul-de-sac neighborhood typically allow their dogs to roam free with no problems. He described his dog as a lovable and friendly pooch who was great with small children.

Sounds like the cops need to ticket every dog owner who "typically allow their dogs to roam free with no problems". And if the residents complain the cops can say "Your neighbors dog was killed because he wasn't restrained, yours could be next. Would you rather have a ticket or a dead dog?"

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[uppityperson]

49. I wasn't there, don't know what all happened. All I can say is this is sad for all.

[LWolf]

54. The last time I lived in a town,

the entire perimeter of my home was fenced. My dog could be in the yard without fear. People who were not invited, who did not know the dog, generally were sensible enough not to open the gate and walk into the yard, even though she never exhibited any aggression. Noise? You bet. If you're going to hang out by the yard, she's going to announce your presence. Aggression, though...never.

One of the reasons I've never owned, or wanted to own, a gun is that it would interfere with my evolving attempts at pacifism. If someone shot my dog and I had a gun, I'd shoot back.

I value my dog a hell of a lot more than a random gun-toting bicycle rider.

As it is, I'd have to be content with chasing him down and kicking the damned bike out from underneath him. Someone would have used their camera, and I'd be a ludicrous spot on youtube before you know it, a grandma chasing a gun-toting biker down and knocking him into the street.

I'm better off on my nice private, dead end dirt road.