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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:22 PM Original message |
Who the fuck are they kidding . . . . ? |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. agreed. I think they define small business as having less than 500 employees. |
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Betsy Ross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I think small business is defined by the number of owners. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Ding, ding, we have a winner. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
51. That's right. No matter how MASSIVE the enterprise, if it's privately held, it's small business. nt |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. So to jump to the obvious: The Koch brothers are small business owners? |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
80. Yes. nt |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. The SBA does. The rank-and-file doesn't. |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
31. SBA has various definitions depending on type of business... |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Right, But when Repubes talk about "small-business tax cuts", for example... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. All that 'depending on' allows for loopholes. I wonder if Congress uses the SBA's definition of |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
38. Just tell them "There are no small business owners who make over $1 million a year." |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. Better yet ask them the definition of a small business owner. |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
39. Don't ask. Tell them they've got it wrong and define it for them. |
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Charlemagne (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
44. Here is what I was told |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm speechless. Think I'll go open a shoe repair shop. :-) |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. ...and I'll sell shoelaces door to door. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. half of all "Small biz owners" are SOLEPROPRIETORS. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. and most of us are only one person all told. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Sole proprietor does not necessarily mean no employees.. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
26. What you're talking about is different from being a sole proprietor. |
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Melissa G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. To get an SBA loan you cannot make a million dollars and still |
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dothemath (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. depends on who your 'friends' are .......... |
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OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. Bechtel, the largest construction company on earth, is considered a small business |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
8. It boggles the mind. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
10. C'Mon Man... You Know... Small Businesses... Like GE, BP, ATT, Wal-Mart, Exxon... |
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Huey P. Long (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
41. KO did a segment on that re:BP, among others, classifying it as a 'small business', as I recall. |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I thought it was Halliburton that was classified as a small business? |
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Huey P. Long (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Now that you mention it, yes, but in the course of doing a BP story. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
11. how many jobs have the bu$h* tax cuts created? |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
14. Gross and net profit are 2 seperate things. Most small businesses don't have a 1 million net profit. |
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Remember Me (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
15. This applies to the Koch Brothers. They are a 'small business' because |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
16. Because you are a small business owner I have a question for you. Do you use your credit |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. We use company credit cards and pay the balance each and every month |
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Lugnut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
18. My son is a small business owner. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. I'd break down in tears and call that a phenomenal year. |
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Lugnut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
34. My son is an over-the-road independent owner/operator. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
19. I'm a small business owner, many of my friends are too, but none of |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. A common-sense definition of a small business has to do with annual income |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
21. knr |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
22. Does anyone actually buy into it though? |
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UpInArms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
23. another small business owner here - |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
28. tl;dr - Republicans lie. |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
29. All small businesses should earn at least a million $ a year |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
30. Republicans are expert |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
32. I know one and she is a Republican |
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Felinity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
36. Kicking |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
37. small business is not limited to one owner, but one person can have a small |
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adamuu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
40. no, wait, sometimes the easiest thing for tax purposes for a sole proprietorship is |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
43. If they're allowed to spew that BS without rebutall on Fox News, Rush, etc |
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Swede Atlanta (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
45. It is their definition that is the problem..... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I say it is a mix of ownership structure, market share, number of employees, and revenue |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
46. I STILL OPPOSE this. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. +25670 |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. You're right, of course. No argument. But this is a different issue. |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
65. Picture of the trust fund.... |
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Chef Eric (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
71. Yes. It seems that these Senate Democrats WANT to endanger Social Security! nt |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
49. I thought mega-internationals were th job creators |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
50. Why are they so determined to mess up Soc. Sec. funding? |
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Chef Eric (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
72. I suspect it's because they think we "don't have anywhere else to go." |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
53. I know a lot of small business owners who make that much |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
54. This, non-millionairre small business owner agrees with you, Stinky. Another |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
55. "Who the fuck are they kidding" |
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rtassi (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
57. Yep ... My small business grosses about 850.000 less ... |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. And taxes aren't levied against gross income. |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. I get hit with taxes on gross sales at the state level |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. But that's not income taxes, right? nt. |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. No not income taxes in a conventional sense |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. So this 3% increase would not affect that. |
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dh1760 (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
58. Surprised the term Micro Business hasn't entered the discussion... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Spot on. The rhetoric they use produces images of micro businesses with Mom, Pop and the kids ...... |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
59. Correct me if I'm wrong small business owners.... |
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liam_laddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
60. Excellent points made, Stinky! |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
61. Who the fuck are they kidding . . . . ? |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
64. K and R |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
66. Agreed and, as a small business owner, I get so effing sick of this from the GOP. |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
69. "This Big Lie has been told, unchanged, for a looooong time." |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
70. Believe it or not ... |
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secondwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
73. Koch Bros fall under the term "small business" if you can believe that! |
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proReality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
74. Owned my own consulting business w/ 5 employees (that's small) |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
76. dems hate small business- said for 20 years from 1000 radio stations, w/out challenge |
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Lunabelle (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
77. People keep believing the GOP lies |
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Mugweed (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
78. I own my own business |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
79. And please note, that's 3% on earnings OVER $1 million |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
81. I own my own business and my income after expenses |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
83. US Small Business Administration defines "small business" as |
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reACTIONary (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-11 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
84. So here is an idea... |
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