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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 11:06 AM
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The Olbermann Era

Keith Olberman in Washington, DC, in 2009. (Photo: afagen)

The Olbermann Era
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

Tuesday 25 January 2011

A quick confession that might not sit well with many Truthout readers: I was, on a personal level, quite ambivalent about the loss of Keith Olbermann's show, "Countdown," when he announced his exit last week. If "Meh" can sum up an emotion, then that's how I felt when I heard the deal went down.

Don't get me wrong here: I was, and remain, a great and devoted fan of Keith Olbermann and the work he did at MSNBC. I have been a devotee of Mr. Olbermann since his old-school moustache days anchoring the ESPN show “Sportscenter” during the golden age of that program. But I have spent the last several years experiencing his “Countdown” work in text form, i.e. reading instead of watching, and in ten-minute online video snippets, because I avoid all cable “news” programming the way cats avoid water. All of it, even the stuff I tend to agree with.

When "Countdown" first began in 2003, I watched it almost every night - the only cable “news” show I consistently tuned in to - but quickly soured on the whole experience. I just can’t stand it, any of it. I can’t stand the emotional manipulation that comes with all forms of televised “news,” and have for many times many a day now refused to let them in my head. I also never saw the point in getting all riled up at eight o'clock at night. What was I supposed to do with all that rage after nine? Punch the walls and kick the cat, maybe indulge in a little firebombing? Didn’t seem prudent.

The production of "Countdown" - the flashes, the music, the jump cuts - made me feel like I had rocks rolling around in my head. This was not solely an Olbermann problem for me; all cable “news” programming leaves me feeling the same way, which is why I swore it off years ago. If CNN or MSNBC played footage of puppies playing with baby pandas next to a pile of bunnies and kittens, it would still give me a headache. It wasn't Keith's fault. I'm just allergic to the medium itself, and have largely avoided it for more than a decade.

All that aside, there is no doubt that Mr. Olbermann’s “Countdown” was something very special. In a polluted sea of corrupted corporate “news” brainwashing, his was a voice of loud, angry reason. He paved the way for the excellence of Rachel Maddow to make its own impressive mark on the TV “news” landscape. He spoke a great deal of truth that had not been heard on the airwaves for far too long. By modeling himself and his show after Edward R. Murrow, even going so far as to use Murrow's iconic "Good night, and good luck" sign-off at the end of every broadcast, he gave us a daily reminder that the "news" was not always like it is today, and that it can - nay, must - improve for the good of the republic.

His very existence became a thorn in the side of the corporation that owns his network, and the corporations behind all the other networks. He kicked some cash to a few Democratic candidates - Rep. Gabrielle Giffords being one - and it turned into a nine-day wonder of a debate about broadcasting standards and the hypocrisy of MSNBC's upper management. It still cracks me up when I think about it: here were these corporate network owners who scream bloody murder about money equaling speech, but when Olbermann exercised his constitutional right to participate in the political process by way of that particular brand of "speech," he got a two-day rip and a public scolding. The whole charade shamed his bosses deeply and publicly, and probably had more than a bit to do with his eventual departure from the network he pretty much single-handedly put on the map.

To me and so many others, he was a beacon of sanity during the bleak darkness of the Bush years. Remember the timeline here: the 2000 election catastrophe was followed by a ceaseless cable “news” refrain of, "This is an orderly transition of power, nothing to see here, go back to bed," which infuriated everyone who knew that particular game had been fixed. This was followed by the push for war in Iraq ballyhooed by every cable network - "Navy SEALS rock!" - until the bullets started flying and the IED's started going off. All throughout, the myriad scandals and crimes of the Bush administration went largely ignored and unreported...until Keith came along, reminding us that, "Today is the 521st day since the declaration of 'Mission Accomplished' in Iraq."

Mr. Olbermann was one of the only voices in broadcasting who openly discussed the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame by the Bush administration. When the 2004 election results in Ohio were corrupted by brazen manipulation and vote fraud, it was Olbermann who raised the loudest televised cry. It was Olbermann who, day after day, hammered the awful truth about the invasion and occupation of Iraq. And it was Olbermann who pounded home the fact that the Bush administration was little more than a deranged criminal enterprise that threatened the very fabric of the nation.

For me, Mr. Olbermann delivered his most memorable, impassioned and important "Special Comment" in 2006, in the aftermath of George W. Bush's press conference in the Rose Garden, in which Bush played the Nazi card and essentially implied that anyone who disagreed with him and his policies was an ally of al Qaeda. That night, Mount Olbermann erupted:

The President and the Vice President and others have often attacked freedom of speech, and freedom of dissent, and freedom of the press.

Now, Mr. Bush has signaled that his unparalleled and unprincipled attack on reporting has a new and venomous side angle: the attempt to link, by the simple expediency of one word - "media" - the honest, patriotic, and indeed vital questions and questioning from American reporters, with the evil of al-Qaeda propaganda.

That linkage is more than just indefensible. It is un-American.

Mr. Bush and his colleagues have led us before to such waters.

We will not drink again.

And the President's re-writing and sanitizing of history, so it fits the expediencies of domestic politics, is just as false, and just as scurrilous.

"In the 1920's a failed Austrian painter published a book in which he explained his intention to build an Aryan super-state in Germany and take revenge on Europe and eradicate the Jews," President Bush said today, "the world ignored Hitler's words, and paid a terrible price."

Whatever the true nature of al Qaeda and other international terrorist threats, to ceaselessly compare them to the Nazi State of Germany serves only to embolden them.

More over, Mr. Bush, you are accomplishing in part what Osama Bin Laden and others seek - a fearful American populace, easily manipulated, and willing to throw away any measure of restraint, any loyalty to our own ideals and freedoms, for the comforting illusion of safety.

It thus becomes necessary to remind the President that his administration's recent Nazi "kick" is an awful and cynical thing.

And it becomes necessary to reach back into our history, for yet another quote, from yet another time and to ask it of Mr. Bush:

"Have you no sense of decency, sir?"


The manner of Mr. Olbermann's departure remains shrouded in mystery; the man himself has made no comment on the matter, which may have something to do with the deal that was cut to end his contract two years early. Many have opined – correctly, in all likelihood - that the looming Comcast takeover of NBC Universal played a large role. As Buzzflash Editor Mark Karlin wrote over the weekend:

According to James Wolcott of Vanity Fair, the chairman of Comcast Spectacor, Ed Snider, is funding a right-wing cable channel/Internet site called "RightNetwork." Wolcott sniffs at "RightNetwork" as a "pseudo-populist operation" starring an array of right-wing freaks.

Ominously, Wolcott notes "that it was Snider who invited Sarah Palin to drop the hockey puck at the Flyers' season opener in 2008, and Palin's been dropping pucks ever since."

There's little reason to doubt that Olbermann's abrupt exit from MSNBC was the first puck to drop as Comcast slap shots MSNBC away from being a progressive beachhead.


In one man we find the confluence of so many pressing issues. Mr. Olbermann stands at the center of the dire need for – and dire lack of – progressive voices within “mainstream news” broadcasting; he threw his shoulder against the wall of corporate hypocrisy; he stood and bellowed against the misdeeds of those in political power; and, ultimately, he stands today as the likely victim of the continued right-wing domination of the “news” media.

People are understandably outraged and disturbed over his abrupt and ill-defined departure from MSNBC…so how, in the face of all this, can I justify my “Meh” reaction?

Well, I already explained the first reason.

The second reason is simple: Keith Olbermann is not dead. He was not beamed to Neptune, never to be seen or heard from again.

Write it down, carve it in stone, make a note, and bet the farm:

Olbermann will be back.

Somewhere, somehow, some day, in one form or another, Mr. Olbermann will be with us again. We will hear or read his own words on the matter of his departure, and then we will hear him again, and again, and again. Giants do not fall easily, and this particular era of political commentary is not over by a long chalk. Edward R. Murrow had his own troubles with management in the darkness of the McCarthy days, and it did not keep him down or silent one iota. So shall it be with Mr. Olbermann in these dark days of corporate hegemony.

Same as it ever was.

Giants do not fall easily. Count on it.

In the meantime, good night, and good luck.

http://www.truth-out.org/the-olbermann-era67123
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 11:13 AM
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1. Yep, he will be back
excellent essay
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 11:15 AM
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2. K&R
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 11:41 AM
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3. All I can say is "Thank you".
I also have the same sentiments. And what you have written helps me recall the value of Keith Olbermann that I had forgotten. I am ashamed to admit that.

But more than that. I thank you for allowing me to ride on your coat tails. I remember the years at Bartcop when you would post, and then run back over here. I am fortunate to have been able to follow in the path of all of your awareness. You blazed a path for us who didn't fully understand what had transpired in 2000, yet had a only a sense.

And almost as important, the experience of like-minded people has been therapeutic.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 11:51 AM
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4. Kudos to you Will Pitt! Olbermann is special because of
his honesty. Honesty never goes out of style. He'll be back with a louder and freer voice, you can bet on it.
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nutsnberries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 11:56 AM
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5. k&r
to Keith's future! :toast:
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 11:57 AM
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6. Great Piece! But....
Edited on Tue Jan-25-11 11:58 AM by Shagbark Hickory
What about the large team of writers and directors that actually wrote most of what came out of his mouth?

LArry-O spoke about these people last night.

If these people were not fired, in theory, another lively personality could take his place.

There's just too many unanswered questions about this whole thing.
If it was KO that they had a problem with, why not keep the successful Countdown franchise and use a new personality.
For example Countdown with David Shuster or Coundown with ____insert name here____

Likewise, without the team of writers and directors and everyone else, how likely is it that KO can pick up and move on to some other network?
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momrois Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:05 PM
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8. Larry also spoke about
KO's 5 long op-eds a week, every week, each longer than the standard 800 words, for 8 long years. Those were not written for him.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:03 PM
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7. you seemed to say that watching Olbermann would create rage
that it sorta made you want to firebomb something.

A week or so ago, Somerby had this to say about Mr. O

"Was Olbermann really offended by the “remarkable inappropriateness given the religion of the congresswoman and given the millennium of pain it has represented for the Jewish people?” We have no idea; the gentleman seems to find himself outraged by all conduct on the part of The Other. But night after night, he and Schultz comb through the day’s detritus, looking for ways to stir liberal fury. In the process, they shove tons of money into their pants—and turn liberal viewers into semi-nitwits.

Alas! When they gin up their endless fake outrages, they keep liberals from forming serious arguments about the era’s actual issues. And they keep the general public locked in the war of the all against all. When regular people keep fighting over wedge insults, the top one percent have won. They have divided and conquered."

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh011311.shtml

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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 02:02 PM
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18. Two letters - B and S

The issues Keith addressed were sometimes frivolous, as when he incessantly covered the 2 reality challenged women celebrities - Brittany and Lindsey. However, for the most part and most prominently, yes he did address the real, important issues of the day. These may have been uncomfortable, things that the media and right wing wanted hidden. I can't think of a single time when there was a critical relevant issue that Olberman ducked. Don't know if you are misinformed or a pot stirrer
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 04:32 PM
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22. take it up with Somerby
all I did was quote him.

It seems to me though that during the debate on the stimulus bill that Rachel did a much more thorough job of discussing it and the need to put more infrastructer spending in it. That was probably the last time I watched them, since I dumped my cable shortly after that.

Here's today's Howler, though, talking about an issue which has not been discussed enough. He mentions Herbert today, but KeithO would also be implicated in failing to use his daily show to inform the public about Social Security.

"How do we know that the program is sustainable? Of course! A think tank said!

Large majorities believe that Social Security won’t be there for them. At this site, we’ve endlessly described the talking-points which have thus convinced them. Unfortunately, people like Herbert have endlessly failed to help the public unravel these claims.

Large majorities still seem to believe that Social Security won’t be there for them. (In August 2010, 70 percent of people aged 18-49 told CNN that the system “will not be able to pay you a benefit when you retire.” The hapless work of liberal “intellectual leaders” explains why this is the case.

Alas, poor Herbert: Groan. Herbert quotes a think tank referring to the program’s “trust funds.” But why do people think the program won’t be there for them? Because they’ve been told, for the past thirty years, that these “trust funds” don’t really exist!

Herbert shows no sign of knowing that this basic problem exists. But then, this is the way our “leaders” have “argued” over the past thirty years. In response, we angrily call average voters stupid!"


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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 05:18 PM
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23. ". . . and turn liberal viewers into semi-nitwits." Not hardly, not even in the frickin' ballpark.
Somerby is a semi-nitwit.
Maybe a 100% bonafide nitwit.

Because one thing I do know, Will Pitt is right about the outrage that I felt whenever Keith pointed something out that the rest of the media wouldn't point out.
Or couldn't.
Or just flat out, didn't.

I found myself angrier than hell many nights after watching Olbermann.
Sometimes I couldn't even finish eating my dinner, as I watched it while I was having dinner.
Or trying to have dinner, anyway.

I'm beginning to sound like Keith.
Making comments that are snarky, but at the same time accurate.
And accuracy is what all good reporting is about, isn't it?
Yet, Keith didn't refer to himself as a "reporter".
He didn't pretend he was an "Edward R Murrow"-type reporter for the new American century.
No, instead he called himself a "commentator", and he was a damned good one.

Someday, maybe 20 years from now, another damn kid with as many brains as balls will get a program on tv and he will emulate Keith because of what Keith did for us during the bulk of the Bush years - helped us keep our sanity, while we were watching the bus we were on slide into the ditch.
Pulling our hair out, and wondering why the other media, the mainstream crap, wasn't reporting the same thing as Keith.
And even more importantly, why wasn't Congress doing something about it?

Oh, I know, I'll be called a Keith Kissass, or a syncophant for saying this about him, but I don't care.
The time for name-calling was over a long time ago.

Yet, the other day I thought wouldn't it be great if they canceled Rush Limbaugh this fast?

I can't remember what the Fairness Doctrine was or exactly how it worked, but I'm sure if I say anything bad about Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Poppy Bush, or the Shrub, one of the legions of rightwingers will remind me that I am not being "fair" to them.
Yeah, and those people think they are the ones that are "balanced", too.

It's going to be a long, hot summer without Keith.
And maybe a long fall, too, if they won't let him "compete" with the shlock they have on tv these days until then.

Christ, I didn't know who Snookie was, and didn't want to know, and yet I had to be told about her. McCain had sent her a tweet, and they both giggled like a pair of teen-aged girls for their new found respect for each other, as a result of their smarmy attitude for the black man in the White House.

And who can forget "stick puppet theater?"
Well, I'll try.
But, other than that, the other 50 minutes of the program weren't all that bad.
Keith wasn't always great.
But, look at who he had as guests on his program and then tell me he didn't know who was great!!

And lest we forget, he shared with us the very personal loss of his own father during the healthcare debate. He personalized it for everyone to understand what the healthcare reform was about, and he lost his own father while people were shouting at him from both sides of that debate.

People who didn't like Keith could always change the channel.
People who really didn't like Keith were already watching Faux Snooze anyway.
His show wasn't designed to change minds, it was designed to inform.
And that it did.
Very successfully, I might add.
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:07 PM
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9. Thanks Will .....n/t
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:09 PM
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10. Reports of K.O.'s "k.o." are greatly exaggerated. (nt)
Edited on Tue Jan-25-11 12:10 PM by oasis
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:22 PM
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11. K&R for being dead honest and right on point ... as always.
Thanks, Will.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:34 PM
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12. K&R nt
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:41 PM
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13. Excellent piece Will...
...all we can hope is that his exile, self-imposed or otherwise, is brief, there are too few voices of reason in the US political sphere as it is...
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:44 PM
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14. Avery nice tribute. Hope you are correct about the future. nt
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:52 PM
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15. While I agree that KO won't be going away altogether
you can bet the ranch he'll never again have as big a megaphone as 'Countdown' afforded him. And that's a tragedy.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 01:02 PM
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16. Thank you... but I wish he'd hurry!
:hi:
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progressiveinaction Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 02:00 PM
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17. The world needs Keith speaking truth to power but...
your line here.

"Write it down, carve it in stone, make a note, and bet the farm"

With your track record I don't like Keith's odds...

1) Rove being indicted in 24 business hours.
2) Martha Coakley beating Scott Brown.
3) The democrats holding the house last November.


Just fuckin with ya.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 03:21 PM
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20. My response
1) Derp.
2) Derp.
3) Herp Derp.

;)
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 03:13 PM
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19. Your initial reaction is understandable; you've always been on the frontlines of
everything that's happened, on every day of the nightmarish timeline.

But there are many people like my husband who are far removed from politics & aren't as interested. I knew not to talk about politics to him because it was a turn-off of his. I knew he liked Keith from watching him on ESPN & I used that information to get him to watch "Countdown" every night during our supper. I let Keith do the talking & said nothing until my husband started commenting. Keith's way with words & his delivery made it possible for my husband to grasp the horrors of Bush/Cheney & the Republican party. He now gets it because of Keith. And he really loves Rachel now, too.

That's the other side of the coin, dear Will. :hi:
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 03:56 PM
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21. Excellent OP!
Thanks, I needed the gut check!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 05:21 PM
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24. I wholeheartedly agree with the first paragraphs....
Edited on Tue Jan-25-11 05:22 PM by mike_c
Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of something else so I haven't finished the whole essay yet, but I wanted to say that I too have little love for either TV news programming or talk radio. "Emotional manipulation" is a succinct way of putting it-- both programming formats benefit directly from increased partisanship and distrust among social groups, so both foment it whenever they can. One might argue that "the other side sucks so much that we MUST call them out nightly" but I don't agree-- and I find the formats jarring and disconcerting.

I'm also surprised by the degree of celebrity worship that seems so evident on DU lately-- one need only say "Keith" or "Malloy" or "Rachel" to conjure instant TV personalities, recognizable to most DUers, the way "Michael" is instant gratification to Michael Jackson fans and invoking "Justin" makes pre-teen girls swoon.

I guess I just don't need to hear "liberal voices" on the airwaves. I live in a liberal community and I'm surrounded by liberal folks, for the most part. I live a liberal life in a liberal place. Shrill, indignant talk and news formats? No thanks, don't need them.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 05:23 PM
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25. kick..
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 06:41 PM
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26. Kick
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 06:42 PM
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27. K&R - as usual very insightful article
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chillspike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 06:54 PM
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28. Kick
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 07:11 PM
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29. We need to write off the corporate media
And create a real, powerful, internet and video based, community based, Progressive/Social Democratic media for the masses. The masses of real Americans who need it and will love it.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 07:11 PM
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30. "Olbermann will be back". So it shall be written. . .
...so it shall be done.

:bounce:

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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 07:38 PM
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31. look forward to seeing Keith again
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Paper Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 08:11 PM
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32. Excellent post. I really hope you are right. Even though I do not
receive MSNBC any longer, I did watch his shows on the Internet the next day. I miss his reporting. Now...well, TV is worthless anyway.

Did I mention I hate Comcast???
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AmandaMae Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 08:44 PM
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33. k&r, great piece.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 09:00 PM
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34. Good Night and Good Luck
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 09:52 PM
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35. Olbermann was the right man at the right place at the right time....
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 10:05 PM
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36. You are missing the point. So it's not lose to you that Keith was forced out. The majority of people
still get new via the TV and lose an major voice of reason from the TV is still a big deal. Everyone said don't worry about Rush stoking the ill informed for years and look at the mess the talk radio nut jobs and the Republicans they help elect got us into. The hold complacent, don't have to worry about it, everything will be OK, benign neglect thing is what got the US in to this mess in the first place. Don't worry house prices will always rise. Don't worry about the jobs going to China there will be more job form all the crap we import. Don't worry the oil drilling industry can regulate it self. The hold don't worry thing is over.
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 02:22 AM
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37. Comcast = Republicans
It's as simple as that.
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 05:55 AM
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38. WRP, welcome to the no tv club. I gave it up in 1996 and haven't missed it one bit!
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:59 AM
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39. Spent last night on Twitter w/ KO
KO's twitter feed was better than anything going on over at his old place.
Also, did you notice at MSNBC how Chris Matthews has reestablished himself as the alpha dog now that KO is gone?
Kind of says it all for MSNBC now.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 11:30 AM
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40. Keith IS back
He's started the FOK News Channel on Twitter!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 11:35 AM
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41. Good OP!
Too late to recommend it .... sorry that I couldn't.

One of my brothers knew Keith when he was a student in upstate NY. Not well, but through his work with an area news outfit. He thought highly of Keith, and wasn't at all surprised to see his career take off.
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