What if after the 9-11 attacks....

[Jokinomx]

George W. Bush would have said....

"We will respond to these heinous attacks and find those responsible. However, we will not lower ourselves to a terrorist level and kill innocent people. We will search and find whoever did this relentlessly and justice will prevail. That the darkness of evil will not extinguish the light of liberty and honor."

Had GWB said these words and followed through by being an example to the world of how a civilized country should react to terrorists instead of rushing to war with a country that had ZERO to do with the attacks on the Towers, the world would have been a much different place today.

Now looking back... GWB is responsible for over 10 times the deaths(conservatively speaking)that occurred during the attacks on 911. Today I read about the 'Global Political Awakening' that Zbigniew Brzezinski talks about and it could be true. Humans are waking up around the world to the lies they have been told.

A collapse of the world is inevitable! Read that slowly.... "The collapse of the world is inevitable!" as the world population has been allowed continued growth without anyone trying to stop it. With the weather changes happening worldwide it's only a matter of time that the food production will be affected and millions will starve.... maybe billions. We are hearing many of the countries that are now revolting have had food shortages, high unemployment and brutal treatment from their police. I think I see a trend happening and this could continue to spread to the farthest reaches of the planet.

I don't know if GWB had taken the high road instead of the low road we would have avoided these problems but we wouldn't have 77% of Arabs polled believing the U.S.A. is a larger threat than that of Iran with it's nuclear ambitions. (10%)

It's going to be a bumpy ride. Hang on folks.

Just a few thoughts..

Peace

[Mist]

1. No war??!! Perish the thought. Our economy runs on war. nt

[Jokinomx]

4. Yes... I know....

it's amazing to think that the core belief system of this country denounces killing.

That we should love our enemy... turn the other cheek.... the meek shall inherit the earth....

yet... look how violent our society is. In my lifetime ...I have witnessed our country invade several countries and support wars in several others.

People forget that the Taliban were Reagan's "Freedom Fighters".

The U.S. can't keep it's nose out of other people's business especially when their perception is that the country is a threat in someway...or we need their resources (mainly oil).

[SpiralHawk]

2. "As if. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)

[EnlightenedOne]

3. That would have been the way of an enlightened president

which is not what we had (christian? please) and that would have been the way a REAL person of Christ would have responded - but that wasn't the point of 9/11 - the point was greed, war, more dissension, to perpetrate evil and to amass profits of gross proportion. Obviously.

I do not understand why the left is blamed for the Hitler comparisons to Bush. No, Bush didn't actually put millions of humans into gas chambers, but he is responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent brown people (Arabs), women, children, grandmothers, babies, etc. To bomb them instead of gas them is somehow more humane? We had our own torture chambers, we had our own Guantanamo - but not dare call it what it is - Bush's Reichstags Fire.

[Jokinomx]

5. Agreed....

The sooner we get rid of ALL the "isms" in the world the better off we will be.

However, I fear the worst is yet to come, maybe not in my lifetime... I am 54 but certainly sometime during the life of my children.

Societies worldwide need to work together to solve these problems and that can't happen with where our global awareness is at the moment.

So we will allow a few million (maybe billions) to perish. After the collapse those that survive will have to put aside all religious belief systems... put aside all political parties... and realize that we are all Brothers & Sisters.

As I said... I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[EnlightenedOne]

6. What a profound post

And you are absolutely right - except for - I think "this is it" - the world changes or falls now. I believe we've got until 2012 - but we're most definitely in the worst of it. The question is - what are we going to do about it?

[Jokinomx]

10. My entire lifetime

I have been told the end is near. My parents studied with the Jehovah's Witnesses while I was a child. I heard them say the end of the world would happen in 1975. I thought to myself that isn't very far away... and these people were so nice and sincere. (As I was and am :-)) I trusted them. Of course the end didn't happen and I started to wake up to the curtain of religion. I saw this curtain among all other religions. Using a curtain to keep people from seeing outside.

However, since that time I have had an unrelenting feeling the END IS NEAR. Deep inside myself. Is this real? or is this the result of being told an idea or superstition as a child and believing it... then it becomes hard wired somehow.

So I continually question my feelings.....but I will tell you today... that the feeling has not diminished in anyway. The logic is that this world cannot continue on it's present course. Something will make it change. Nature is the logical answer. Survival of the fittest will prevail as mankind has yet to evolve past it's animal past. Will our awareness of the situation continue on it's present course? or will mankind wake up before it's too late.

Given past experiences .... Nature will take it's course.

[EnlightenedOne]

11. Yes, I hear you

however, taking our history into account (all religions have a 2012 or end of the world myth and you've got to think there was/is a reason) and adding science and math equations to the mix, I'm a believer. You might enjoy the Astrology forum.

Also, check out HiddenMeanings.com and David Wilcox, Divine Cosmos for more.

We've destroyed our environment, our planet, our system of government is corrupt beyond belief, and we really think this planet will continue to sustain our asses?

[Jokinomx]

13. I will check them out..thanks...

I do have a plan should these feelings be correct. I have a nice spot in the remote wilderness of the U.P. of Michigan. I am ready to once again become a hunter/gatherer. I have spent lifetimes as one in the past.... I am ready again. :-)

[Ozymanithrax]

7. HIs name would have been Al Gore. n/t

[Jokinomx]

8. Yep...

I look at the stolen election of 2000 as one of the United States lowest points. Then to do it again in 2004 in Ohio showed me that we are far from free in this country. However, we have been told since we were children that we were so we accept that fact.

Hopefully the Global Political Awakening will happen in the USA also... but I know we will be the last to join I am sure.

Peace

[cbdo2007]

9. Unfortunately, any President in power would have been pressured to do exactly what he did.

Just my guess, but Al Gore, Obama, whoever, if they had been in power would have done the Iraq/Afghanistan thing the same way GWB did.

[Jokinomx]

12. I disagree...here is why

Iraq had zero to do with the attack on 911. We might have just as well attacked Brazil. They had nothing to do with the attacks either. GWB wanted to go to war with Iraq not anybody else(save Cheney)and he used the 911 attack as an excuse. He got his way.

As far as Afghanistan, if Bin Laden was there... we should have gone in and taken him out... and left the country. Besides, we were responsible for putting the Taliban in power in the first place.

In and out... no body would have questioned the action. If they were unsuccessful in getting Bin Laden in Afghanistan we should have just left the country...but that is not the reason we were there...it was because the Taliban refused to allow an oil pipeline run thru their country.

Iraq had signed over 12 billion in oil contracts with Russia. All they needed was for the U.N. to lift sanctions. The country was in shambles after years of sanctions and Hussein new he had to do something.

He was complying with all the demands.... and Bush couldn't wait any longer or the truth would have been known...that he had no weapons of mass destruction. If that happened as Inspector Scott Ritter was saying... sanctions would have been lifted...and all that rich Iraqi oil would have flowed NORTH instead of West. The Bush/Cheney oil cartel would not allow that to happen. It was a "National Security Issue" that is for sure. But not for WMDs... but for oil.

No... he was the only one that would have went to war with Iraq. There is no doubt in my mind about that.

[Raster]

15. I completely agree. The "death warrant" for Saddam and Iraq was signed long before 9/11.

Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor.

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