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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:06 PM
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VFW tells Bachmann "no way, no how!"
WASHINGTON, D.C., January 28, 2011 — America's oldest and largest major combat veterans' organization announced it will do everything within its power to defeat a plan introduced by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) to cut $4.5 billion from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

"No way, no how, will we let this proposal get any traction in Congress," said Richard L. Eubank, the national commander of the 2.1 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars of the U.S. and its Auxiliaries.

On her website, the three-term congresswoman lists more than $400 billion in suggestions to cut federal spending. The VA suggestion would cap increases to VA healthcare spending, and reduce disability compensation to account for Social Security Disability Insurance payments — in other words, an offset. She says her plan is intended to generate discussion.

"The only discussion the VFW wants is to tell the congresswoman that her plan is totally out of step with America's commitment to our veterans," said Eubank, a retired Marine and Vietnam combat veteran from Eugene, Ore.

"There are certain things you do not do when our nation is at war, and at the top of that list is not caring for our wounded and disabled servicemen and women when they return home," he said. "I want the congresswoman to join us in a tour of the Minneapolis VA Medical Center and Poly Trauma Center the next time she's in her home district to witness firsthand the great work the VA does every day to heal their wounds and ease their pain. Then I want her to look those disabled veterans in the eye and tell them their service and sacrifice is too expensive for the nation to bear.

"The day this nation can't afford to take care of her veterans is the day this nation should quit creating them," said Eubank.

http://www.vfw.org/News-and-Events/Articles/VFW-Will-Defeat-Bachmann-Plan/

I've avoided the VFW because of the RW types that permeate the organization. They're still there, but this is still good to read.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:12 PM
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1. The same Michele Bachman that used that Iwo Jima picture...really? nt
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:24 PM
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9. She has no shame. nt
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mascarax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:30 PM
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12. Yeah, well, ya know...that was 3 days ago
Michele can't believe people remember back that far! She only remembers her memorized zombie talking points.

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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 03:45 PM
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30. Palin - Bachman; birds of a feather. "What will get me the most
publicity today?" Both will stoop to the lowest levels to ensure they're in the spotlight for at least a few minutes per day. If that means exploiting war vets, so be it.

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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:13 PM
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2. How un-American can you be??
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:16 PM
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4. Considering they believe both the Bible and Constitution were written on opposite day.... nt
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:15 PM
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3. Hmm. Somebody's ox just got gored.
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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 04:02 AM
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23. Yeah, mine.
Fuck Bachmann and the horse she rode in on..
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 12:47 PM
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27. Hey, I agree with you. I wish everybody realized what a menace she is.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:20 PM
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5. fuck you bachmann....we should increase veterans healthcare
these guys are veterans of fucked up wars....vietnam....iraq....afghanistan....and YOU want to cut their healthcare.....
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:23 PM
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8. +1000 +++ n/t
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:21 PM
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6. attacking their base. winning strategy.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:22 PM
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7. God forbid she instead goes after bloated MIC waste and spending
No, gotta fuck over the people at the bottom, so that we can continue to afford more war profiteering.

I hate her.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:25 PM
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10. Same here! She's a jerk! n/t
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:28 PM
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11. How many of those VFW members also howl about "socialism", I wonder?
How many are fine with all sorts of other cuts that hurt regular working class people?

I have a fair amount of career military men in my family and immediate circle of friends, and almost all of them love to denounce socialism, but regularly avail themselves of free healthcare and a whole collection of other nice benefits. I'm glad Bachmann put this out for "discussion". I don't want it to happen, but I would like more of us to have a clearer defintion of who our "we" is.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:34 PM
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18. you can bet pretty much all of them
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Rectangle Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:30 PM
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13. I wonder what the "Founding Fathers" would think of MB's proposal??
hmmmmm?

:patriot: :shrug:
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tinymontgomery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:46 PM
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14. You reap
what you sow. They wanted slash and burn and that is what the got. I have to wonder how many of the VFW members were glad she won and the Repubs took over. I wonder what their going to say as the slashing really starts.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:27 PM
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15. K&R!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:29 PM
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16. She creates lots of enemies.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:30 PM
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17. Finally, the VFW remembers who its friends are.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:41 AM
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26. For now, anyway.
I don't expect this to last, given their past history.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:08 PM
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19. this will make a nice addendum to my earlier editorial on "Vet Support"
As a new Congress meets, it’s essential we know the new committee leaders. One that is prominent in my mind is U.S. Rep. Jeff Miller, the new Veteran Affairs House Chair. This is a critical position as we continue at war in two countries.

There are currently 1.4 million Iraq/Afghanistan veterans, 670,000 Gulf War veterans, 7.2 million Vietnam era veterans and 3.4 million World War II veterans. With each generation comes changing medical needs that are being addressed by the Veterans Administration.

With the appointment of Secretary Shinseki, there have been significant improvements made in the VA system. These changes have focused on improvement in psychiatric/therapeutic treatment, female veteran treatment and multiple wound/amputation adaptations. These types of medical and therapeutic treatment don’t come cheaply, but are a small price to pay to those who served.

“This is a huge government agency and there is a mindset within the agency that is hard to change. But I think we need to focus not only on delivery of services but the cost at which those services are being delivered to the veteran,” said Rep. Miller in a recent interview. Rep. Miller says he is “more focused on helping to increase resources through efficiencies. I think there are ways to solve those problems ... by allowing (veterans) to go fee-for-service within a private hospital system. I think we need to focus not only on delivery of services but the cost at which those services are being delivered to the veteran.”

My question for Rep. Miller: Are you willing to train private facilities to care for those with PTSD, TBI, infectious diseases, GWS and the myriad of other diseases and injuries we are seeing in the four generations of veterans?

Or ... are you going to carry on the time-honored position of honoring a few with contracts “to favor efficiency”... while cutting our veterans’ resources? Only time will tell. We at Veterans For Common Sense will be watching with great interest.

Elizabeth Dawson,

Red Oak

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owlnwaxa wrote on Jan 21, 2011 4:20 PM:

" Thank you Beth for your tireless efforts. What must be asked is what was the cost the soldier paid for his services? Did they think about "efficiencies" when they put their lives on the line? Is money more precious than the blood spilt or injury recieved insuring that Rep.Miller has a safe and healthy life? Paybacks a b**** ,ain't it, Jeffy? Welcome to the "will of the people". LOL. I have to laugh to keep from screaming. Namaste "



w8liftinglady wrote on Jan 22, 2011 10:05 AM:

" Thank you,Alan.
Notice that there are 1.4 million Iraq /Afghanistan veterans vs. 7.8 million VietNam veterans?
People are much braver with other peoples' kids,aren't they? (Length of both wars is almost identical).
Of course,cutting down on troops deployed by deploying the same ones over and over again will cut the money we have to shell out for their care later!
Peace.
Beth "



houstonh wrote on Jan 24, 2011 4:24 PM:

" Madam,
I shan’t quibble with your numbers, but there may be some grievous errors in your inferred conclusions. “Deploying the same ones over and over again will cut the money we have to shell out for their care” may, in fact, be true.

There is no known rational for presuming the strategy employed by our military leaders gave this an iota of consideration. It appears to be a direct insult to them. Even a “sad sack six” member(s) would know the times,
strategy, combat conditions, drafted vs. enlisted troops, battle tested under
the specific conditions, weapons, etc; would, and should dictate different method of deployment. To think otherwise is ludicrous. Admitting affiliation or association with this “Veterans For Common Sense” cult may
be bad news. Perhaps consultation with graduates of West Point or Annapolis would prove more fruitful than chitchat from old biddies. What a hoot, who cares what the cult watch?

Gosh, I may be wrong on this issue, but rethink your position before you say so.
Houston Humphries "



w8liftinglady wrote on Jan 25, 2011 6:59 AM:

" Mr. Humphries.
As always,I welcome discussion.
Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why the military has deployed these troops so many times and outsourced so many previously military jobs.Both actions have done nothing but hamper the military and open the door for corruption and harm of our troops.I simply refer you to Kellogg,Brown,Root.(KBR) ,Body Armor, and inadequate helmets for srtarters. Soldiers for the Truth has a myriad of information on this.
What exactly IS supporting the troops,Mr. Humphries?Is it allowing them to be sent to a war with improper supplies, begging for back-up(thus requiring their stop-loss and redeployment) and turning our backs on them when they return?
I think not,sir.
Good Day.
Peace.
Beth "



w8liftinglady wrote on Jan 25, 2011 8:16 AM:

" ..One last thing.
isn't it sad that I am the one pointing out troops lost and injured,money squandered?
The facts are there.
At one time,our news reported on our war involvement.weekly,You would know the troop numbers.
Now,you barely hear about it- no one cares,except in passing.
No one has "skin in the game" per say.
I hope your family stays safe,mr. Humphries-and that they get the care they've earned when they return.
I will continue to do what I can to ensure that.
peace.
beth "



houstonh wrote on Jan 25, 2011 7:17 PM:

" Now Beth,
My comment was aimed strictly at your previous statement that appeared to insinuate that our “Deploying the same ones over and over again will cut the money we have to shell out for their care” was a factor in the decision to deploy the troops as was so done. We know the rules of engagement have changed due to times, strategy, combat conditions, drafted vs. enlisted troops, battle tested under the specific conditions, weapons, etc.
For this reason alone, I feel your statement “Notice that there are 1.4 million Iraq /Afghanistan veterans vs. 7.8 million VietNam veterans?” People are much braver with other peoples' kids,aren't they? (Length of both wars is almost identical).” tends to insinuate our military commanders will sacrifice American troops to save money for post war care. I do not feel this was a factor in the deployment of our troops.

Now your later posting:
“At one time, our news reported on our war involvement.weekly,You would know the troop numbers. Now,you barely hear about it- no one cares,except in passing.
No one has "skin in the game" per say.” does not address the subject of “Deploying the same ones over and over again will cut the money we have to shell out for their care”. You have brought up several points, but none alluded to the subject of minimizing veteran post war care.
Ofhand thoughts may often be correct, I have no intent in dissecting them sentence by sentence.

If you are correct, so be it. I still feel you are avoiding the subject.
Well, to each his own, Houston Humphries "



stan4d wrote on Jan 25, 2011 10:25 PM:

" Beth....you almost had me untill you started the finger pointing and claiming to be the end all be all of supporting the troops........please try to keep from being so partisan in your posts, if you wish to help. Or if you wish to spread the half truths and outright lies of fringe websites.......at least be upfront about it. "



stan4d wrote on Jan 25, 2011 10:27 PM:

" On the difference of troops in the two wars......I can cure that.....DRAFT!!! (but then a few like some here will find ways not to serve) "



w8liftinglady wrote on Jan 28, 2011 7:00 AM:

" Stan-
i appreciate your statement. Troop support transcends all party lines.
if you'll notice,I never stated a party affilliation.Rep = representative.
Americans from all sides of the coin pick and choose their troop support.
I would like to see the wars end.That being unrealistic,I want to see the best care possible for those placed in harm's way...before,during and after.
What party am I,Stan?
Peace.
beth "



houstonh wrote on Jan 28, 2011 2:11 PM:

" As I posted earlier:
“Madam,
I shan’t quibble with your numbers, but there may be some grievous errors in your inferred conclusions. “Deploying the same ones over and over again will cut the money we have to shell out for their care” may, in fact, be true.

There is no known rational for presuming the strategy employed by our military leaders gave this an iota of consideration. It appears to be a direct insult to them. Even a “sad sack six” member(s) would know the times,
strategy, combat conditions, drafted vs. enlisted troops, battle tested under
the specific conditions, weapons, etc; would, and should dictate different method of deployment. To think otherwise is ludicrous. Admitting affiliation or association with this “Veterans For Common Sense” cult may
be bad news. Perhaps consultation with graduates of West Point or Annapolis would prove more fruitful than chitchat from old biddies. What a hoot, who cares what the cult watch?
Gosh, I may be wrong on this issue, but rethink your position before you say so. “
Houston Humphries”

Now, you have tried to change the subject; but again, it will not die until hell freezes over.
Let us get back to saving veterans health care money by deploying the same troops over and over again? Some of us may not be interested in other off hand, off subject, ranting. It appears you have dug a hole too deep to climb out of.
Houston Humphries "

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:10 PM
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20. she talks the Jingoistic Garbage but does she really care about our Veterans?
according to her actions, no. When you hear jingoistic shit, beware.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 03:17 AM
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21. AS we finally pull out of Iraq, more and more Vets will need more funding
KnR
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 03:49 AM
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22. C'mon people! We all know that the way to support the troops is to wave flags...
...and sing shitty Lee Greenwood tunes!

Helping to pay their medical costs? Fuck 'em!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 03:27 PM
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28. Don't forget the flag pin
and don't forget charging the kicked out LGBT soldiars for getting kicked out and not quitting.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 09:54 AM
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24. Bachmann = mindless trash.
Srsly.
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 10:37 AM
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25. Yet there are still veterans who will vote for trash like her and other Rethugs
Edited on Sat Jan-29-11 10:37 AM by Urban Prairie
Who obviously would like nothing better than to cast these mentally/physically disabled and ill veterans adrift after they have outlived their "usefulness"?

It boggles the mind.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 03:33 PM
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29. Damn! She's dumb!
Best quoteof the day:

"The day this nation can't afford to take care of her veterans is the day this nation should quit creating them," said Eubank.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 03:53 PM
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31. Bachmann and Palin should run against Obama, at least it'd be entertaining...
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 03:55 PM
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32. Republicans just use vets as photo ops
Dems take care of them.
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Katarina Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 04:08 PM
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33. This says it all...
"The day this nation can't afford to take care of her veterans is the day this nation should quit creating them"
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