The MINUTE Obama signed the tax bill, the Republicans start taking hostages again!

[Joanne98]

They're holding the START treaty hostage, demanding that Reid not bring up DADT or the Dream Act tommorrow!

WHY was this so hard for Obama to figure out? Lucy, Charlie Brown and the football.

All he had to do was sit there holding the tax cut bill HOSTAGE till they let the votes on the other bills come up!

GEEZ!



:argh:

[somone]

1. Utterly shocking

No one could have predicted this :sarcasm:

[villager]

2. wouldn't want to be...*unseemly* now, or too confrontational, or "non-bipartisan,"

...now would we?

[myrna minx]

3. Who could have imagined!? We'll probably have to give up Medicare for the START treaty

the EPA for the DREAM act and potable water for DADT. :woohoo: What could we do?


GOD they're just despicable.

[Jackpine Radical]

33. Right. He's not gonna give away Social Security, though.

He's hanging onto that to trade for another 6 month extension of Unemployment benefits when the 13 months run out.

Can't say the guy's not clever.

[gratuitous]

4. Nobody could have foreseen this!

Simply astonishing to anyone who's never been, seen, known or heard of a teen-age girl with a crush on a guy that doesn't much care about her, except for his own physical gratification.

[Smashcut]

5. Simple

Obama is NOT ON OUR SIDE

[jannyk]

6. Quelle surprise!

[Bozita]

7. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you to find hostage-taking going on again here!

[MrCoffee]

8. There's no way he was surprised by this

If he was, then things are much, much worse than anyone feared.

[mfcorey1]

9. K&R

[Lorien]

10. What makes you think that he's not in on it? nt

[sallyseven]

60. Grow up.

I find many DUers to be uninformed and nasty. Sure your not repuks?

[stillwaiting]

64. I only see one nasty person in the above exchange. nt

[pacalo]

11. The party who used "national security" in every other sentence during the Bush regime

is holding up a major national security negotiation with Russia out of petty spite?

Let's see how Obama handles this one.

:popcorn:

[Kolesar]

65. The newspapers won't call the gops on this one

They will ignore the obvious hypocrisy and the national security problem that the gops are creating.

[Laelth]

12. Colossal political ineptitude, or basic agreement with the R's.

Those are the only two options, and I am leaning toward basic agreement with the R's.

Liberalism is dead in DC.

-Laelth

[cognoscere]

70. Actually, there is a third option.

I read this idea way back before O. was even elected. It goes like this. Shortly after whomever wins the election, he attends a meeting where a video is shown of the motorcade in Dallas. The camera clearly shows that JFK was not shot by the Lone Nut, but rather by operatives paid by the "people" who really control the country. After the video is over, he is told that Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy were handled in a similar fashion and then is asked, "Any questions?"

[Mr Rabble]

74. That is a Bill Hicks line, actually. nt

[jimlup]

13. Obama seems to have lost his 3 dimensional chess game

We're in trouble folks, we really are...

[katnapped]

30. Never mind lost it

He GAVE them the damn board and pieces! Probably compromised for an extra day of UI benefits. From what I heard, Republicans were going to offer three days but fearless leader insisted on just one so that's what he got.

[jimlup]

35. +1

:rofl:

[emulatorloo]

14. I thought Harry Reid was making the PUBBIES work on Christmas day

to get START and DADT done. Has that changed?

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[bushisanidiot]

16. HAHAHA! Let them try to hold START hostage. They will LOSE without a fight.

the DADT repeal already has the votes to pass. the repukes are just being assholes and with the tax bill now off the table, they have NO currency to hold anything hostage at ALL.

It will be EASY AS HELL to make fools out of the repukes for not wanting to move START forward.

EASY AS HELL! AND THEY ARE GIVING THE DEMOCRATS A GIFT FOR MAKING THE THREAT!! MERRY CHRISTMAS TO SPEAKER PELOSI AND SENATOR REID!

HAHAHA!

[axollot]

52. I thought it would be easy to make the Rs look like fools over letting

down the 9/11 NYFD/NYPD but no - they go on filibustering and as Jon said on Thursday - our news media was scooped by Al Jazeera on this issue. WTF? Up is down, down is up.

Cheers
Sandy

[The Wielding Truth]

58. I'm with you on this.

[kenny blankenship]

17. Why is it so hard to figure out whose side he's really on?

[Richard Steele]

28. At this point, even I have figured it out, and I'm generally fucking CLUELESS. nm

[iamtechus]

18. If you give the bully your lunch money without a fight, he'll be back! (nt)

[DainBramaged]

19. Democrats, handing their ass to Republicans since 1980.....

[kath]

27. Yep, you've got it!

[BlueJac]

20. Some people never learn!!!!

Fucking DUH!!!!

[elleng]

21. Don't think they would 'let' ANY votes come up. Don't kid yourself.

They LIE, they DECEIVE, they don't govern.

[madrchsod]

22. the republicans are so far to the right....

they actually are killing reagan`s few real good things he did in 8 yrs.

think of that..the republicans want to restart the cold war and worse, allow atomic material to be sold to anyone with the cash.

oh well....

[Kablooie]

23. Hey, if it's a successful technique they'd be foolish not to run with it.

[donheld]

24. I'm not a bit surprised. It hurts me to see Obama refuse

to learn this lesson. He's been shown and told over and over but he will not accept that as fact.

[TwilightGardener]

25. They'll do what they do. He knows that. They've obstructed for two years straight.

Edit to add: So?

[niceypoo]

26. This goes beyond obstruction

This is blackmail

[CanonRay]

29. People have been saying this since the health care debate last year

and he STILL doesn't get it. The same tactic, over and over and over again. Nobody is that stupid.

[sirthomas66]

32. No. This is simply a clever ploy to make it appear he is making

resistance. He is a team player--their team.

[defendandprotect]

38. Exactly ... can't believe that anyone actually thinks Obama is too dumb to figure out

what everyone else seems to know and understand!!??

:eyes:

[sirthomas66]

43. Right. And this pretending by some people really bothers me. It's

like we're living in 1536 England where everyone is a spy and those not spies just pretend the others are not spies. We can't go forward again with so much pretending.

[defendandprotect]

81. Well, they may have bought two years for Obama .... ?

it is a kind of chess game afterall, perhaps?

Though it seemed to me that once Obama picked his "team," I thought he had

clearly shown his hand -- his cards!

There is talk on the internet about Obama's mother and he -- and the father

and step-father having CIA connections.

Looks like they've pretty much taken over everything?

Is there anyone anymore who isn't CIA?

[dpbrown]

31. Campaigns like FDR, governs like Reagan

I guess it wasn't difficult to see what was coming, given Obama's lauding the praises of Reagan.

Obama is Reagan lite.

[davidwparker]

79. +1

[pangaia]

34. Smack them upside the head....

When are Democrats (and erstwhile Democrat Obama) going to finally start telling these Republican idiots to just go fuck themselves? WHEN ? Stop pussyfooting around. get in front of cameras, call the NY TIMES, LA Times, get on every national, regional and local TV station and call them out in no uncertain terms...
Smack them one upside the head.. and keep at it. Nothing else will stop them.

[Old Codger]

36. Knowing

That he is reasonably intelligent the only answer is that he is complicit in the plan... When you clear away the rest of the smoke and all the rhetoric that is the only real explanation possible.

If he had fought as hard for the public option as he did for the taxbill extension we would probably have it now.

[defendandprotect]

37. You're saying Obama isn't smart...isn't savvy... can't figure out what we all know?

Don't think so --

[City Lights]

39. Well isn't that special!

:argh: :mad: :grr: x(

[WillyT]

40. And Water Is Wet...

:kick: & Rec !!!

[JoePhilly]

41. DU absolutely cracks me up.

No one in the administration thought that the compromise tax bill would lead to the GOP acting any differently on ANY of these issues. No one. And certainly not Obama.

But I find it hilarious that so many on DU connect the two events as proof that Obama expected the GOP to play nice after that tax bill passed.

If the tax bill didn't pass, if there was no compromise, they'd be doing the same thing anyway.

All this breathlessness on DU is hilarious.

[Kolesar]

66. With ya' ... eom

[dkofos]

42. When it works, and you can get away with it EVERY SINGLE TIME, you go with it.

[Hamlette]

44. Obama can't figure it out because he is stupid and ppl who post on the internet are smart.

duh

[rug]

45. So, they will block nuclear disarmament rather than allow gay people to serve in the military.

How reasonable.

[polmaven]

71. Yeah!

That's why DADT just PASSED the Senate easily!!! 65-31! All 'cuz the president is so much of a patsy, and so much of a Republi....oh - wait! I just said it PASSED...not failed!

Another victory and another campaign promise kept!

[PhillySane]

46. Dems are Turncoats

The Republicans are negotiating for their base supporters. Rich, homophobes and anti-immigration. Too bad the Democrats have no interest in their base supporters any longer.
Shame of this is that 5 Senate Dems voted against the Dream Act today, enough to give the 60 votes necessary to move forward.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/18/dadt.dream.act/index.html?hpt=T2

[PhillySane]

48. Here's the 5 Dems

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/18/5673808-dream-act-blocked-in-senate

[texshelters]

47. Yep, tis the season for lying

http://texshelters.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/twas-the-night-before-christmas%E2%80%94a-tex-shelters-version-for-2010/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x28426


Peace,
Tex Shelters

[bongbong]

49. We'll have a Democratic Party winner in 2012

Don't worry about the presidential election in 2012. Obama will be re-elected.

The key is the fact that it takes a "Democrat" to destroy Social Security. A repig could never accomplish it. Remember, not every Dem congressperson is in on the fix, so it takes party affiliation to push the mega-ripoff of the century over the top.

Once the fat cats get Social Security, I predict a wholesale emmigration of those fat cats to overseas destinations. We will be left to be the mercenary army for them, and wallow in misery & debt slavery. A fascist party will come into power in 2016 and clamp down on all civil liberties "for our safety". There will be a false flag operation or two to terrorize remaining Americans into agreeing to those clamp downs.

There WILL be a few crumbs left here, but the educated upper middle class (doctors, lawyers, professors) will be fighting over those. If you don't have at least a Master's degree (not MBA!) from a top 50 school, you'd better learn camping & farming skills.

Wait, all the public lands will be privatized so there'll be nowhere to camp. In fact, "where will we sleep" will become the most pressing question in Brave New Amerika.

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[alarimer]

50. He just signed a TAX INCREASE on one-third of workers.

Not only does this horrible bill put SS in jeopardy, it will give many people a tax increase. Because SS payroll taxes are taken out before your withholding is, a 2% decrease in payroll taxes leaves more money as taxable income, so your pathetic $100 or so will be further reduced because withholding will come out of it. He has fucked us over on this deal. It also gets rid of the Making Work Pay tax credit, which nearly everyone got the entire $400. This will be an tax increase for those on the bottom.

[Divernan]

84. Subject to local and state as well as federal income taxes!

[niceypoo]

51. They know that Obama will capitulate and give them everything for nothing

[paparush]

54. Goddamnit! This is NOT governing.

This system is so fucking broken.

[4lbs]

55. What's this about DADT again? N.T.

[davidwparker]

80. Let's give a hand to Nancy Pelosi.

Thanks also to the Log Cabin (R)'s for taking it to court and getting it declared unconstitutional.

Obama, you can call your AG off appealing the decision.

[caseymoz]

56. This is one that will be pointed to for generations.

As the time the Republicans wouldn't pass a treaty to reduce nuclear weapons because they wanted to continue to oppress gays and deny people who have been in the country since childhood equal status.

It will be remembered as a period when a cold-hearted, dark-minded, dimwitted party simultaneously proved its criminal agenda domestically and internationally. The Repubs behind this should be sent seppeku blades with detailed, idiot-proof instructions on how to use.

[Guilded Lilly]

57. Of course they did...and anyone with an ounce of brain knew they would.

[JackDragna]

59. It's not Obama who doesn't get it..it's all of us.

We thought, for a stupid second, he might actually give us a better government, one more suited to the needs of the people. That's never been his intention. He is firmly in the grasp of those who manipulate society in the interests of the powerful.

[TBF]

61. When a behavior works for someone, they'll repeat it. nt

[yurbud]

62. beyond Charlie Brown and Lucy. Obama is star center for the Washington Generals playing against

the Harlem Globetrotters--his job is to lose.

Although in this case, ironically, the Globetrotters are rich, white (and orange) racists.

[blackspade]

63. Who would have thunk it?

The rethugs are so transparent in their tactics, Obama must be blind to not see them for what they are.

[obxhead]

67. You don't fix what is not broken.

It is a game plan that has worked flawlessly for them.

The reason that hostage takers and terrorists are not negotiated with is because it creates more of them. over the last decade America has forgotten that.

[Stinky The Clown]

68. Perhaps it is because Obama never really wanted to repeal DADT

He hasn't done much for gay people so far. Why change now? It isn't as if he has ever shown he actually gives a shit. All he's ever done is throw some crumbs.

[onenote]

72. still think that's the case?

Still believe the OP?

[earcandle]

69. I think he is another republican stealth agent.

[Evoman]

73. See, this is why you don't negotiate with terrorists.

[pnwmom]

75. So, are you all shocked and disappointed that DADT was repealed?

Since this messes up your story line?

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[BrklynLiberal]

76. The repukes only relent on issues that they KNOW there is no hope.

For all other issues they will obstruct until the end of time.

[davidwparker]

78. He's just not into you.

I add this after the vote on DADT, which again was more Nancy Pelosi, but the point remains.

He's just not into you.

[Renew Deal]

82. So bitter

Obama promised it would happen this year and it did. But there are those that will always refuse to give him credit.

[davidwparker]

85. Bitter? No. Just giving Nancy Pelosi the credit and also

the Log Cabin (R)'s for having it declared unconstitutional.

Onto 2011 ... Now, no supermajority.

[AsahinaKimi]

83. of course, that's how they roll...

typical.