AL GORE Answers O'Really - With Class & Facts

[kpete]

The former vice president and climate activist provided a response on his website Tuesday. “I appreciate the question,” Gore wrote.

“As it turns out, the scientific community has been addressing this particular question for some time now and they say that increased heavy snowfalls are completely consistent with what they have been predicting as a consequence of man-made global warming.”

He then includes a blurb from February 2010 column by Clarence Page in The Chicago Tribune. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-02-14/news/ct-oped-0214-page-20100212_1_global-warming-term-climate-change-snow

“In fact, scientists have been warning for at least two decades that global warming could make snowstorms more severe. Snow has two simple ingredients: cold and moisture. Warmer air collects moisture like a sponge until it hits a patch of cold air. When temperatures dip below freezing, a lot of moisture creates a lot of snow,” the column states.

“A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species."

http://blog.algore.com/2011/02/an_answer_for_bill.html
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/141529-al-gore-responds-to-bill-oreilly-on-snow-climate-nexus?page=6#comments

[H2O Man]

1. Recommended.

I so wish the presidency hadn't been stolen from him.

[kpete]

3. me too -

i just can't get over that either,
brought me to DU though.
peace, kpete

[BrklynLiberal]

8. +1000

To think what might have been....

[NewJeffCT]

18. I do that a lot

No Iraq War, no tax cuts for millionaires... and, most importantly, no John Roberts and no Samuel Alito. Imagine William Rehnquist being replaced by somebody left of center?

[BrklynLiberal]

32. It is actually painful to think about.

[abelenkpe]

9. Same here.

What a different world we would live in....

[20score]

44. Even our debt would have been paid off. The list of bad events that would not have happened, plus

the list of good results that never occurred, is damn near endless.

[jimlup]

60. Yeah but the big winner is ...

I think we might have managed to avoid 9/11. Bush's team was seriously asleep at the wheel (and that's putting it nicely). Gore's team would have hit the ground running and understood the situation. Maybe, maybe not... but my feeling is that we lost 9/11 because of one self centered, self absorbed and, over confident team Bush.

[breadandwine]

61. Obama just had his presidency all but robbed by the court ruling on healthcare.

He could be in real trouble and the whole party with him in 2012. Especially if our good friends on the Supreme Court uphold the court ruling as they are willing to uphold anything right wing.

What is Obama supposed to campaign on in 2012? "I almost gave you corporate health care" ---?

If this were Europe the party in power would just announce that they were replacing their leader with someone new and he would become prime minister and all the baggage of the existing prime minister would be forgotten with the new leader of the same party. But we can't do that because we are not a parliamentary democracy.

If Gore ran as the progressive alternative in the primaries he might pull it out. The GOP is all geared up to run against Obama but if we nominated someone else they'd be screwed. But all indications are Gore is through with electoral politics. His daughter says he'll never run.

[bbinacan]

2. And recently

it was said that there would never be snow in England again. Imagine that.

[spanone]

4. k&r....

[bbinacan]

5. I so wish Gore would go on O'Reilly and

tear him a new one.

[SpiralHawk]

6. "Um, ahh, d'oh." - Bill O'Reilly (R - RepubliStooge-in-chief)

"Um, ahhhh, Give me a minute to think while I cook up another crock of poo to fling at the facts."

- Bill O'Reilly (R - RepubliStooge-in-chief)

[BrklynLiberal]

7. O'LIElly demonstrates his total ignorance with a question like that.

[classysassy]

10. Al Gore

whenever I hear or read about Al Gore,I think about how many people would be alive today if not for the decision rendered by five people of ill will.I hope the five of them sleep well tonight.

[MedicalAdmin]

22. I hope they die horribly and in incredible pain slowly tonight.

but to each their own.

[howmad1]

54. Not only five people:

Living in Arizona, I want to vomit everytime someone in this state tries to canonize Sandra Day O'Conner. That bitch single handedly gave us George W. Scumbag. And while I'm pointing fingers at who else was responsible for Al Gores demise, the fickle finger of fate points directly to bubba Clinton. If only he kept his prick in his pants, my, how things might have been different.

[Zoeisright]

59. Oh, for God's sake.

Gore's problem is that he distanced himself from President Clinton's success. And that's PRESIDENT Clinton to you. That disgusting display of hypocrisy from the repukes (who were screwing everyone in sight while condemning the President, btw) was one of the worst cases of trying to overthrow a democratically elected President that the world has EVER seen.

Grow up.

[malaise]

11. Nice to hear from Al Gore

Rec

[Kadie]

12. K&R

[applegrove]

13. As someone somewhere said "they should have called in global climate change and not global 'warming'

because of the variety of change climates will see". If you call it global warming and it gets cold that confuses the mouth breathers.

[leahcim]

14. No, they should have called it "global warming"...

...and then told the mouth breathers that the rest of humanity is having to problem comprehending the fact that "the world is getting warmer on average" is not inconsistent with "it still snows in winter". Scientists should not have to change the way they do science to pander to drooling simpletons who remain proud of their ignorance while leeching off the advances that science makes.

[BeFree]

46. Welcome to DU, leahcim

You are so right... pandering to the idiots is how Gore got removed from office, too.

[applegrove]

63. You've got a point. And yes, welcome to the DU!!

:hi:

[Qutzupalotl]

15. Tide goes in, tide goes out

and nobody explains why in a way that O'Reilly can comprehend. Therefore, Al Gore must be ridiculous. Or something.

[AsahinaKimi]

16. "Tide goes in, Tide goes out..."

As if O'Reilly will understand any of what the VP said..

[groundloop]

17. 8 yrs. of President Gore vs. 8 years of Bush - the thought brings tears to my eyes.

We'd have never fought those stupid wars, our federal budget would have remained balanced, and we'd be well on the road to doing something about climate change.

And oh yeah, screw you Bill-O-the-Clown.

[lobodons]

26. President Gore gives address

I always remember this when thinking of that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iM1cE7iJM8&feature=related

[TfG]

35. Me too.

Things would have been so different. :(

[SammyWinstonJack]

58. And a lockbox for SS, hear that Obama?

:grr:

[bongbong]

19. O'Liely has been....

O'Liely has been sniffing too many Loofah fumes lately.

[alfredo]

20. Kickapoo

[stuntcat]

21. kickety

kickety-rec :kick:

[greiner3]

23. Warm air does contain more moisture than cold.

As the global temperature rises so does air laden moisture and it has to go somewhere. Maybe some will rain on his parade.

BTW, what happened to that dead girl some people say he raped and murdered?

[Maraya1969]

24. Every snowflake begins with warmer air.

[SlimJimmy]

25. From 2007 IPCC report. Both this and Al Gore can't be right.

Longer duration, more intense, more frequent heat waves / hot spells in summer

VL (consistent across model projections)

Over almost all continents, but particularly central Europe, western USA, East Asia and Korea

Higher monthly absolute maximum of daily minimum temperatures (maxTmin); more warm and fewer cold nights

VL (consistent with higher mean temperatures)

Over most continents

Higher monthly absolute minimum of daily minimum temperatures (minTmin)

VL (consistent across model projections)

minTmin increases more than the mean in many mid- and high-latitude locations,particularly in winter over most of Europe except the southwest

Higher monthly absolute minimum of daily maximum temperatures (minTmax), fewer cold days

L (consistent with warmer mean temperatures)

minTmin increases more than the mean in some areas

Fewer frost days

VL (consistent across model projections)

Decrease in number of days with below-freezing temperatures everywhere

Fewer cold outbreaks; fewer, shorter, less intense cold spells / cold extremes in winter

VL (consistent across model projections)

L (consistent with warmer mean temperatures)

Most other regions

Reduced diurnal temperature range

L (consistent across model projections)

Over most continental regions, night temperatures increase faster than theday temperatures19

Temperature variability on interannual and daily time scales

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch11s11-1-3.html

[hay rick]

28. On the contrary, also from ipcc.

"Annual-mean precipitation is projected to decrease in the south-west of the U.S. but increase over the rest of the continent (Christensen et al., 2007: Section 11.5.3.2). Increases in precipitation in Canada are projected to be in the range of +20% for the annual mean and +30% for the winter. Some studies project widespread increases in extreme precipitation (Christensen et al., 2007: Section 11.5.3.3), with greater risks of not only flooding from intense precipitation, but also droughts from greater temporal variability in precipitation. In general, projected changes in precipitation extremes are larger than changes in mean precipitation (Meehl et al., 2007: Section 10.3.6.1)"

Link here: http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg2/en/ch14s14-3.html#14-3-1

[SlimJimmy]

29. So, they predict more rain, but not more snow. Both the IPCC and

Al Gore can't be right. So, which is it?

[Name removed]

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[hay rick]

33. +30% more precipitation in winter.

Guess that's some really cold rain.

[Duval]

37. I was just waiting for

someone to dispute the previous comment. Thanks hey rick!:kick: :yourock:

[SlimJimmy]

38. It just appears to me that there is a disconnect between what the IPCC

says (warmer less cold winters) and what Al Gore says, Global warming causes colder more severe winters. They both can't be correct.

[hay rick]

42. The global in global warming.

If the heavily populated temperate zones of NA and Europe have a somewhat colder than usual winter while the sparsely populated Arctic areas have significantly warmer than usual weather, the net effect is warming even if the fact is not confirmed by the experience of people looking at their thermometers. Pity that.

[SlimJimmy]

65. I agree Rick, and thanks for the reasoned response. I immediately

ignore the "you are Dain bramaged" and a "RW plant" replies and tend to concentrate on the ones like yours. So, with that said, here is my issue. Taken that what you said can be very true (as a whole), why does the IPCC report say that these events will be significantly less - even in the temperate areas? It seems to me that they and Al Gore are actually trying to have it both ways. "Well, it's colder, global warming, well it's hotter, global warming." (even though we clearly said that warmer global temps would mean less severe winters.) I'm sure you can see where the confusion might lay.

[SlimJimmy]

41. I live in the south and that is exactly what we get. Except this year it actually snowed for a few

days. That hasn't happened in about 20 years.

[fascisthunter]

47. you got to stop listening to right wingers

that's where your confusion regarding global warming comes from. Playing politics with important facts is irresponsible.

[hay rick]

48. Global warming is taken as shorthand

for the greenhouse effect. My understanding is that the buildup in CO2 is having a gradually warming effect. Other climate forces (El Nino/La Nina) for example, may have a more dramatic short term effect. Link here: http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20110203/LOCAL/302039950/1002/LOCAL

[liberation]

55. Them foolish scientists!

Their nonsense is no match for your single data point!

[SlimJimmy]

64. You sure got me there. With using that fancy sciency lingo (single data point)

and all. I remember when I was in school (that would be university to you) one of my professors explained them there new-fangled "data points". He said, "One data point is an opinion, two are a pattern, and three are a trend." I just have to presume that you don't understand the difference. But since I have only one data point to work with, I'll wait until you have replied a few times to see if your ignorance is just my opinion, a pattern, or a trend.

[AlbertCat]

36. From 2007 IPCC report. Both this and Al Gore can't be right.

Models are models.

Reality is reality.

How about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_lYbp2zxVg&feature=feedu

[SlimJimmy]

39. Interesting, but it relies on data that is in dispute. Do you have a better

cite? (and I meant that as spelled) :)

[AlbertCat]

51. but it relies on data that is in dispute.

There's dispute over a series of temperature readings made in late 2010?


I think mankind and especially scientists can read a thermometer.

How are they in dispute? And (this really matters) WHO is disputing them?

[rhett o rick]

57. So you are disputing the problem of Climate Change? And you are a democrat? Both cant be right. nm

[SlimJimmy]

66. Actually reading my post and digesting what I said will go a long way toward assuaging your

confusion. I never said that there isn't global warming (please point out where I did) - I said that the IPCC and Al Gore can't convey a different conclusion and still both be correct. The IPCC said the severe winter events would not occur often (and should even decline) as a result of global warming, and Al Gore said that global warming is responsible for these acute winter events. Well, these two statements contradict each other. Feel free to explain the disparity.

[polmaven]

27. Hardly worth the effort!

These morAns have not got the ability to understand actual science. To them this kind of explanation is nothing but gobbledy-gook.

[GentryDixon]

31. Over a FAUX listener and surely over

Bill-O's comprehension.

[Plucketeer]

34. PLEASE!

All of you.... keep your "facts", your "science" and Gory lamentations to yourselves here. Some poor Freeper's gonna wander in here - see that we're making light of one of their idols (O'lielly) and come away with a bruised psyche! :rofl:

[Quixote1818]

40. This video by a fellow DUer shows warmer than normal air over N. Poll and colder air

being released to lower latitudes. There is chaos up there and it's kicking the cold are around and often over the US: http://www.youtube.com/user/greenman3610#p/a/u/1/M_lYbp2zxVg

[Little Star]

43. k&r

[spanone]

45. class & facts ; 2 things o'rielly doesn't understand

[fascisthunter]

49. unfortunately big business and the right wing aren't interested in facts

until it effects their wallets. Talk about dangerously drunk on greed.

[liberation]

56. It is not just their drinking problem which is the issue, but their flat out lunacy

I think they truly believe they will be able to "buy" their way out of this. As if somehow nature takes cash....

[fascisthunter]

68. Well, greed is sort of a neurosis, it blinds them

to the point of lunacy. You are right, nature doesn't take cash and it's why their POV is so inhuman and sociopathic.

[Oceansaway]

50. K&R...n/t

[Swampguana]

52. kick

[Shining Jack]

53. K&R

O'Really + Science (and common sense + facts) does not compute.

[LawnKorn]

62. K&R

[LLStarks]

67. I read your post in Al Gore's voice. Needs moar manbearpig though.