to those cheering the Fox reporter beatings

[backwoodsbob]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4720768

If you are among those cheering this put me on ignore now because you won't like what I have to say.

HOW DARE ANYONE cheer the beating of a reporter.I don't give ONE SHIT who they are reporting for..don't EVER cheer the beating of a reporter.

I'm ASHAMED to call myself a member of this board tonight.

If it was KO over there that got beat and the FReepers were making fun of it we would be screaming bloody murder over it.How are we any better?

I swear i am about ready to delete this site.It's becoming WORSE than FR.

How about we take a step back and get back to what this site is supposed to be about..advancing progressive ideas ...instead of this crap

[RandomThoughts]

1. I agree with you.

That is why I have said most of the posts seem to be messed up.

My guess is they are not real opinions, but opinions to try to get you upset. Like it is put up there so right wing sites can site it.

or freep site putting up similar things like that to be posted here.

I ignore that stuff as some form of distraction or confusion.

[backwoodsbob]

7. no..you see it too much here

we aren't any better.To blame every instance like this on rw trolls is an exercise in deflection.

[RandomThoughts]

22. I agree with that also.

[DoBotherMe]

159. Deflection?

If you are against inflammatory speech, why do you have “lets take em out” as a comment in your profile? Seems a bit disingenuous to me.

[virgogal]

2. Good for you.

[cali]

3. amen, brother. that is a righteous rant. thanks.

[Abq_Sarah]

4. We're really no different from any other group

Good people coexist with scumbags.

[cynatnite]

5. No one should cheer the beating of a reporter. That is censorship of the media. n/t

[Travelman]

150. Technically

it's not censorship unless the government does it. But that doesn't mean that reporters (no matter how much some folks like to claim that Palkot isn't a reporter solely because he works for FNC, he IS a reporter) deserve to get the shit beat out of them for covering a story.

Reporters take chances covering stories. Doubly so when it's in some sort of situation like Egypt is in now (as opposed, to, say, some peace rally in Berkeley or something like that) Some get hurt. Some get killed. That never, EVER means that it's OK to cheer or even silently condone such an action, especially when the root of such cheering or condoning is solely based upon some political dislike or disagreement with the organization for which they report.


Kudos to the OP for having the balls to stand up and say what needed to be said here.

[OnlinePoker]

176. Not just Fox reporters, but most media outlets were being targeted by the Egyptian government...

...yesterday. Several were detained by the army. One individual was in his hotel room overlooking the square when agents burst in and confiscated his equipment. Even Al Jazerra has been targeted by rioters and government sanction. Until the Mobarek thugs showed up, this was a mostly peaceful protest movement.

[1monster]

6. My eighteen year old son just cheered when I read the headline out loud... I educated him

on that head ASAP. Not sure if it took hold in his brain or if it went in one ear and out the other.

I don't cheer the beating of anyone, no matter how much I dislike him or her. I don't cheer the attempted or actual suppression of the press either.

K & R

[stephHart]

8. agreed, but i suspect it is a minority

but it is to be expected that passions are inflamed considering all that that 'news' channel has inflicted on our nation during their short tenure. e.g. hate, ignorance, and even murder.

[Abq_Sarah]

11. Don't excuse boorish behavior with a "but"

You're really no better than the people you bash.

[stephHart]

40. i didn't excuse it, i just pointed out that it was a minority

and, i didn't bash anyone.

[Demstud]

147. but it's irrelevant

The OP didn't say it was a majority or minority, but was speaking specifically to those who felt that way. Doesn't matter if it's 1 or 1,000.

[russspeakeasy]

124. Wow ! All knowing ! Must be nice...

[Abq_Sarah]

170. Yes! It is!

[cynatnite]

12. This is not about Faux news...it's about suppression of the media...

there is no reason to beat the media into silence even if you don't like what they say. Period.

[stephHart]

41. That's why I said I "aggreed"

[cynatnite]

46. Your added supposition implied that they deserved what they got. n/t

[stephHart]

69. not true, or i would not have agreed that violence against reporters/anyone should not be cheered

and simply pointing out that passions have been inflamed by fox 'news' dangerous, and immoral behavior is certainly not condoning violence against them or anyone in their org, and i resent the accusation.

[cynatnite]

71. You forgot "it is to be expected"...

I'm only going by your words.

but it is to be expected that passions are inflamed considering all that that 'news' channel has inflicted on our nation during their short tenure. e.g. hate, ignorance, and even murder.

[stephHart]

76. you forgot "it is to be expected that passions are inflamed" - thats a FACT not an endoresment

of violence.

pointing out that fox news inflames peoples passions, is simply stating a FACT.

trying to say that is an endorsement of violence, even after my first sentiment was that i AGREED that violence against them (or anyone else) is not to be cheered or condoned, is a stretch beyond reason.

hopefully, that clears things up.

[zanana1]

109. Thou doth protest too much. nt

[anafreeka]

163. Okay...

And you protest to much of the protest! ;-)

[zanana1]

197. Um....sure, anfreeka. nt

[Raoul]

114. Don't waste your time trying to explain

to these self righteous assholes. Self righteous liberals are as bad or even worse than the self righteous right wing religionist hypocrites. I read your original comment and agreed totally with it about not applauding the beatings but understanding this is what FOX fake news has done. And look at the results - the self righteous liberals go after YOU now.

They're a fucking joke just like 'liberalism' in this country which is to the right of a European conservative.

Now I'll await the barrage from the upset liberals and will respond accordingly.

[pipi_k]

117. Agreed...I understood the meaning behind the words too...

I don't think it's acceptable for anyone to be beaten, even reporters from Fox News, but I do understand that people's passions will be inflamed and they won't discriminate when they choose victims.

Also, although I don't agree with cheering on the beatings, it's still understandable that people would do so...it seems like people's hatred for Fox News and all it represents must overshadow their compassion for the human beings who are merely doing their jobs.


I guess even the motives of the self righteous can be understood also...

[sufrommich]

9. So true. Don't let the idiots get you down. nt

[Zywiec]

10. I still bet the "pro" beating thread will out "rec" this one. n/t

[howaboutme]

23. I agree it is wrong, and must have missed the pro beating thread.

Anyone who supports immoral, illegal or unethical acts, regardless of the victim or their ideology or anything else is wrong.

[IamK]

56. There are many many idiots here. you just need to learn to filter them...

They will go away...

[The Doctor.]

139. That will be quite a trick.

Considering that such a thread hasn't been posted at all.

[upi402]

13. Reporter?

Did Fox hire one?

[cali]

15. yes, reporter, or don't you think he's qualified to be called one?

Greg Palkot serves as foreign correspondent for FOX News Channel (FNC). He covers the world from FNC's London bureau.



Palkot is a key contributor to FOX News' coverage of the War on Terror. He's been embedded with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, filed from the scene of Saddam Hussein's capture, is following the hunt for Usama bin Laden and Al Qaeda in Pakistan's border area, as well as the deadly attacks on Benazir Bhutto there. He's also reported from inside Iran and on the Mideast including Gaza and Lebanon.



In Europe, Greg was live at the scene of the Russian invasion of Georgia, he covered the fiery riots surrounding Paris, the crash of the Concorde, as well as the deaths of Princess Diana and Pope John Paul II.



From Africa, Palkot has reported inside war-torn Sudan, he's followed the strife in Somalia and modern piracy in the waters off Africa's coast.



And in Asia, he's reported live from North Korea, from Beijing on the Olympics, from the devastation of the Tsunami in Indonesia and relief efforts for cyclone-hit Burma.



Greg has featured in documentaries on Iran's controversial nuclear efforts, Iraq's scandal-plagued Oil-for-Food program and the invasion of Fallujah.



Palkot has received Emmy Awards for Best Reporting, Best News Coverage and Best Feature, also earning honors from the Associated Press, United Press International and the International Film and Television Awards.



Prior to joining FNC, he's been an anchor, reporter and producer, serving on programs on PBS-TV, Financial News Network (now CNBC), WABC and CBS.



A graduate of Wesleyan University, Palkot speaks French, Germa

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/personalities/greg-palkot/bio/#ixzz1Cx6EKDkj

[upi402]

21. Oh no!,,, you gave my little quip a serious reply

No worries.

[NuclearDem]

29. Because it's attitudes like the ones in your reply

That let people say it's ok for Fox correspondents to be beat up "because they're not really reporters".

[intheflow]

189. Oh please.

It's a long way from stating the fact that Fox News's reporting isn't real reporting to saying you're glad a Fox employee was beaten. You've never made a flippant remark in your life? You can't tolerate irony or sarcasm from others? You have zero tolerance for gallows humor?

[Beacool]

130. I didn't know anything about him,

but Palkot has a pretty impressive resume. I hope that he and the other FOX crew member make a speedy recovery.

;-)

[Aleric]

131. No, they are not. They are entertainers.

Still, it's wrong on two counts;

1) They are still people and don't deserve to get beat up because they suffer from ignorance and greed. We should see if they can be cured first.

2) It's not right that we keep asking people in the middle east to do what we should be doing here in the US.

[ekelly]

53. Ok then, how about a HUMAN BEING?

Who gives a shit if the person works for Fox...or if the person is even a reporter? These are human beings we are talking about here!


Edited to replace a question mark with an exclamation point.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

63. +1

[Mass]

133. +100

[Hippo_Tron]

194. Seriously, who gives a shit if FOX is a legitimate media outlet or not

Nobody should be cheering for the beating of a human being.

[slay]

68. +1

i'm still against them being beaten but they aint reporter - they are propaganda.

[Hosnon]

157. Lame. And "it was a joke" is even lamer. nt.

[bbinacan]

14. I completely agree. n/t

[carolinayellowdog]

16. a sad reflection of what this country has become

reflexive hatred of "the other" and shameless, heartless rhetoric

[stockholmer]

156. regimes of truth, power, the other, and textualities-2 quotes from the deconstructionist perspective

"Truth isn't outside power … Truth is a thing of this world; it is produced only by virtue of multiple forms of constraint…And it induces regular effects of power. Each society has its regime of truth, its 'general politics' of truth; that is, the types of discourse which it accepts and makes function as true...................... Here I believe one's point of reference should not be to the great model of language (langue) and signs, but to that of war and battle. The history which bears and determines us has the form of a war rather than that of a language: relations of power, not relations of meaning." Michel Foucault 'Truth and Power'

"Imagine someone ... who abolishes within himself all barriers, all classes, all exclusions, not by syncretism but by simple discard of that old specter: logical contradiction; who mixes every language, even those said to be incompatible; who silently accepts every charge of illogicality, of incongruity; who remains passive in the face of Socratic irony (leading the interlocutor to the supreme disgrace: self-contradiction) and legal terrorism (how much penal evidence is based on a psychology of consistency!). Such a man would be the mockery of our society: court, school, asylum, polite conversation would cast him out: who endures contradiction without shame? Now this anti-hero exists: he is the reader of the text at the moment he takes his pleasure." Roland Barthes 'The Pleasure of the Text'

[Name removed]

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[a la izquierda]

18. K & R

[RagAss]

19. Good post....!

[Dappleganger]

20. You're absolutely right.

This is a freedom of speech issue and journalists should be protected everywhere.

[kiva]

24. Thanks, I've been avoiding any threads about this,

knowing what they would say. K&R

[bullwinkle428]

25. Even if he worked for Fox News, just the fact that he's actually on

the ground in Egypt attempting to cover the story gives him more journalistic chops than all of those blown-dried pieces shit (Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Douchey, Hume, etc.) put together!

K&R.

[prolesunited]

37. and more than anyone here

especially those cheering the beating.

[Codeine]

26. I'm with you, dude. nt

[RegieRocker]

27. Yep that is so very wrong and is just like the radical right wingers

which I have been and will always point out the similarities between the two radicals left and right. The mental block of perception,, judgement, reasoning and justification is astounding. The inflated ego and you have nothing worthwhile to say. All inhumane.

[Le Taz Hot]

96. The "two sides" are not engaging in this behavior.

You have a few people with adolescent mentalities, who post to DU acting like fools. The REAL left would never engage in such sickening activity. Please don't join that old, tired "both sides do it" because both sides don't. Idiots will be idiots regardless of whether they purport to be left or right. True activists don't have time for such idiocy. You need to be able to recognize the difference.

[RegieRocker]

121. I understand that you want defend the left but I was talking about

The far left and right. There is a mental wall for both. If what you state is true that would hold for the true right activists also then. I feel that when a person it's that far left or right that a mental block is what makes them that far left our right.

[liberation]

141. What "far left?"

You mean those "phantom marxist who are trying to subvert the US Constitution" that Jon Stewart told us are everywhere?

Please, can you provide examples of people cheering the beatings and the reason why you can establish without any doubt that the person doing so belongs to the "far left?"

Cheers.

[RegieRocker]

155. Those that would like for all guns to be illegal

that is enough and there are more examples. Many Democrats including myself have a gun or guns and do not wish for them to be made illegal. Radical far left does. Maybe that isn't you but don't attempt to say they don't exist.

[Le Taz Hot]

160. How do you do.

I'm the far left that you're referring to. I don't want to take away your guns. I don't know anyone who does.

[RegieRocker]

195. I'm a Democrat but not far left

There are plenty on DU that would like guns to be illegal. Go to the Gun forum. Either your full of it or delusional.

[emilyg]

28. Huge K/R - some of the comments

made me sick.

[enlightenment]

30. Thank you.

I refused to even click on the thread when I saw it on the main page - knowing that it was going to have enough vileness to ruin my appetite. I'm sorry that your post confirms that belief, but very glad that you have taken a stand for behaving like decent human beings should behave.

Thank you again.

[OneGrassRoot]

31. Huge K&R n/t

[Raine]

32. Glad so far I haven't come across any of those

because it's bigger than that, it's suppressing information. I saw some didn't care that a couple days ago when Anderson Cooper was attacked. A poster claimed Cooper wasn't a "real" journalist just a guy who was worried about his hair getting messed up. :eyes:

[Gato Moteado]

33. i just read that entire thread and saw only a couple posts where people....

....cheered the attacks on fox reporters.

the vast majority echoed the sentiments that you expressed here. i find it odd that you'd let a couple posts like that make you want to "delete this site" (whatever that means). knowing how evil fox news is, it's easy to understand why someone might express delight in the beating of fox reporters but, let's face it, deep down, nobody here really is happy about that. nobody here really supports attacks on those reporters. people are just venting.

additionally, i'd like to add that it is a tragedy that ANYONE at all is beaten or killed in those protests - the fox news reporters are not any more important than the egyptian protesters that have gotten beaten or killed.

[spanone]

34. k&r ....

[The Doctor.]

35. Anyone brave enough to wade into that mess is ok in my book.

I didn't actually notice anyone doing so, but shame on those who have taken such license.

[elocs]

36. It was an opportunity for DUers to show their class. Unfortunately, some failed the test.

Too often DUers seem to just be the opposite side of the freeper coin.

[dizbukhapeter]

38. I dont consider people who work for Fox news reporters

[blogslut]

44. So, they deserve to be beaten?

Is that what you believe?

[anafreeka]

165. Whatever...

Thus it starts again!

[blogslut]

169. Your response is unclear

Could you explain further?

[Catherina]

47. . n/t

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

123. Deleted message

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[tammywammy]

39. +1 n/t

[JoePhilly]

42. Was it the crew of Fox and Friends???

A few of those folks need a beating.

:hide:

[OnTheOtherHand]

103. sorry, I'm just not feeling the funny

Lots of people do buy into the idea that some people "need a beating." I don't think we should mess with it, even facetiously.

[X_Digger]

43. BIG K&R! n/t

[Catherina]

45. What? People were cheering this? I'm pissed off to hear this. Rec'd

Shameful.


Is there a link for this?

[stevedeshazer]

49. +1

[DRoseDARs]

50. The majority will agree with you, but I'm looking at this...

"I swear I am about ready to delete this site. It's becoming WORSE than FR."

Really? Fucking really? Hyperbole is hyperbolic. How about you take a step back and realize that that statement detracts from your otherwise good post?

[Kaleva]

55. I rec'd the OP but agree with the point you made.

[handmade34]

51. A sincere Thanks for posting this

I did not read the other post and am saddened that anyone here would take pleasure in another person being harmed... I am saddened that occasionally here a person's looks or mannerisms are made fun of...

we do a great disservice to ourselves by showing mean spiritedness and pettiness. Empathy and critical thinking skills are what is needed to take us forward... and I intend to move forward, not back

[av8rdave]

52. Agreed

Though I don't like the way Fox presents itself as "news," it's still a form of free speech. Suppression of free speech is wrong, whether you agree with what's being said or not.

The free speech issue aside, it wouldn't hurt any of us to show a little compassion for those attacked and their families.

Compassion - it's what makes our party and our ideals better....remember?

[Number23]

54. "It's becoming WORSE than FR." Becoming???!!

:rofl:

[The Doctor.]

138. Not even marginally.

Such a direct comparison is out of touch with the reality.

[Number23]

193. Very large numbers of people disagree with you. And THAT is the reality.

[LiberalLoner]

57. Amen. n/t k&r

[lonestarnot]

58. Oh feign a faint now.

:eyes:

[apocalypsehow]

73. Bookmarking reply for future reference (especially for future "our side doesn't hate" crowd) n/t.

[SharksBreath]

59. They were already cheering the beating of Anderson Cooper.

I guess you missed it.

It was funny to them. You can't view the comments on their website anymore once their "journalists" were beaten.

They were just supporting the Pro Mubarak forces.

I have compassion but not for those those who have no compassion and use hate speech 24/7.

I'm not a bleeding heart liberal but a realist.

Hey. They took one for the team. So be it.

If it takes an ass whooping for them to report the real story I'm OK with that.

[apocalypsehow]

72. The first three assertions in this reply are simply false. n/t.

[SharksBreath]

149. False hun. Think Progress has it up now. A compilation.

of all the right wing attacks.

Who's lying now. Who's stating false facts now.

I was on the Fox News website reading the comments under Anderson Cooper being attacked.

Once the Fox News "Journalists" got beaten you could no longer view the article on Anderson Cooper.

It now links to the Fox News "Journalists" getting beaten.

I heard some of these comments in the compilation yesterday.

I have no reason to make shit up.

Like I said I have compassion but not for those who have none.

Fuck Them.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/04/reporters-egypt-sympathy/

Right Wing Mocks Reporters In Egypt: Not ‘A Great Deal Of Sympathy For Those Who’ve Been Attacked’
Foreign journalists reporting on the anti-government protests have increasingly been under attack by supporters of President Hosni Mubarak’s government. Pro-government forces have detained, beaten or arrested dozens, if not hundreds, of reporters in the past few days as they were trying to get the story out to the world. CNN’s Anderson Cooper reported that he and his crew were repeatedly beaten. An ABC News correspondent and his crew were carjacked and threatened with beheading.

Naturally, the crackdown — believed to be the work of the Egyptian government — has been widely criticized. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said yesterday that the attacks were an assault on free speech and called on the Mubarak government to allow journalists to report without impediment.

Yet, many on the right don’t see it that way. A writer on Andrew Breitbart’s “Big Peace” website said yesterday, “I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for those who have been attacked,” he said, adding, “hen they take huge risks for the sake of ratings and then find themselves in trouble, it’s hard to take seriously.” Fox News has had at least three of its reporters harassed or beaten, yet Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade “sarcastically” praised the Egyptian government’s thuggery skills. “You got to hand it…to the forces out there that seem to be pro-Mubarak who are beating up every news source,” he said.

And the New Republic’s Marty Peretz accused journalists in Egypt of “professional narcissism,” saying they should’ve expected to get beaten. But perhaps comments from right-wing radio host Mike Gallagher win the most insensitive prize. Gallagher not only suggested that ABC’s Christiane Amanpour might join “Death to America” chants there, but — with clear homophobic undertones — attacked Cooper for getting beaten, even saying that he may have “enjoyed it a little bit”:

GALLAGHER: Maybe that isn’t where you ought to go wandering around Anderson, all, what are you about 5’7” – 5’8”? What do you go Anderson about 160? With your little perfectly quaffed grey hair and your little delicate features you might not want to go over to Egypt and walk around the middle of a crowd that’s screaming “death to America.” … I wonder if Christine Amanpour wasn’t right there with them. “Death to America! Down with America!” <...>

Hey Anderson, were you really punched 10 times in the head? Come on. It almost sounds like he enjoyed it a little bit. … “Oh I was punched 10 times in the head.” Well that’s what happens when you go into a bunch of rioters, dopey.

[apocalypsehow]

158. Yep, FALSE. That link confirms not a single assertion you made above. Please try again. n/t.

[Kingofalldems]

164. Your assertions were absolutely correct.

I think some don't like RWers criticized.

[apocalypsehow]

75. Actually, *correction*: the first FOUR assertions in this reply are demonstrably false. n/t.

[cherokeeprogressive]

88. "I'm OK with that."

I'm betting you could suck start my Harley, a B-52, and 40 White Freightliners at the same time. That's how hard you suck.

[NuclearDem]

172. You're not a bleeding heart liberal?

No shit, I never would have guessed that the way you were saying the Fox news crew deserved it.

The Fox crew didn't deserve to be beat up anymore than a secretary that works for an oil company deserves to be raped, or than Blackwater employees in Iraq deserve to be hung, drawn, and quartered. You can hate Fox without being happy over people being hurt.

[backwoodsbob]

185. so when one of ours takes a beating

and the freepers laugh about it don't complain

[MrModerate]

60. A little proportion, please. I just went through that thread and the vast majority . . .

Of people were wishing the injured journalists well, even if they did take a swipe at their employer.

The fact that out of umpty-thousand posters on this board some (rather small fraction) have acted as dickheads shouldn't call for shame on your part. Look on the bright side -- many who loathe the Fox News organization with every fibre of their beings nevertheless wished their employees well.

[Electric Monk]

77. Some see what they want to see and disregard the rest?

(and I'm not talking about you, MrM)

[stephHart]

78. exactly

that kinda spin is something that some in the M$M are very good at, and is why i really enjoy this place, as that kinda exaggeration is in the minority here :hi:

[SharksBreath]

61. This type of thinking is the reason Bushco isn't on trial now.

Oh well.

[OnTheOtherHand]

100. WTF?

The "reason Bushco isn't on trial now" is that progressives generally think it's wrong to beat up reporters?

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. Sickening. Agreed. K n R

[immoderate]

64. Nobody would tolerate that in person. I believe that.

Internet banter tends to be more hyperbolic.

--imm

[Mira]

65. heartily recommended

[tekisui]

66. Agreed.

[Taverner]

67. [phone]

[K8-EEE]

70. Didn't see any of it but they should be ashamed nt

[lukasahero]

125. Then you should probably read this thread

because there's plenty condoning going on right here.

[apocalypsehow]

74. Kick, Rec. n/t.

[Maru Kitteh]

79. K & R

[FLAprogressive]

80. FANTASTIC post!!! k&r!!!

[Imagevision]

81. Even Limbaugh back-tracked about reporters being beaten statement

[phleshdef]

82. No one could cheer something like that and dare call themselves liberal minded.

That kind of shit is against every principle liberals should be standing for.

[Youth Uprising]

83. Spare us your moral outrage...

Some people are being way too hypersensitive, and are making unwarranted assumptions and accusations about some of the users here. Then again, what else can you expect from the center-left? *cough*Jon Stewart*cough* Posting snarky comments about the propaganda outlet known as Fox News is not the same as condoning violence towards innocent reporters who are out in the field trying to do their job. This thread is very disingenuous and misleading. Here are some of the comments that where actually posted there:

sofa king: I am sorry to hear it.

Fox News is a crap propaganda organ unworthy of the word "news," but the people who risk their lives to document this event are not deserving of scorn... or beatings.

W T F: I agree no journalist deserves to be beaten.....

My argument is that Fox News reporters are not journalist. and I'm not saying that they deserve to be beaten even if they aren't. Someone here assumed that I Implied that, and I didn't. Do I make myself clear?

Primavera: Employees of a foreign corporation

... that dedicates itself to spreading propaganda prejudicial to their interests.

Before you jump down my throat, I'm not advocating violence against Faux News propagandists. But clearly their assailants perceived that these guys were not objective, impartial journalists there to observe and report, nor is it unreasonable that they should believe as much. It therefore does not follow that a blanket ban on violence towards journalists would hinder them from attacking Faux News propagandists.

[NuclearDem]

89. Did you even read the thread?

Even discounting the deleted posts (which were AWFUL), there were two or three pretty nasty posts there. We're not saying it's EVERYONE or even a significant number, but it's enough that I believe it deserves to be called out. You quoted some of the much more moderate posts in that thread, two of which I either responded to or had addressed earlier. That's not the same as the "Waaah" thread though.

Nice smear against the center-left though. I guess being pissed about blatantly disgusting posts is just for the centrists among us.

[liberation]

142. Two or three posts? Out of how many hundreds/thousands posts are written in this site daily?

Wow. Hold the presses.

Yes it sucks that innocent people trying to do their jobs, regardless of wether or not I agree with the leanings of the institution they work for, were beaten up. Nobody deserves that, and for anyone to condone that they deserve to be told they're indeed wrong. And the mods have acted accordingly censuring such posts in real time. However, when we're talking single digit posts out of the thousands which are written here daily... then it seems that this is a silly attempt at making these events, which are happening thousands of miles away involving other people, an issue about DU (or even the "far left" according to some posters in this thread). Well that reeks of red herring frankly.

[tahrir]

84. unrec due to unfair smear against DU and DUers

The Reports of DU's Cruelty Have Been Greatly Exaggerated.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=344601&mesg_id=344601

[Shining Jack]

91. Well I canceled your unrec.

Goodnight and good luck.

[Roland99]

110. As did I (200 and growing)

[BlackX-068]

85. Like the Budweiser commercial of "WHUZ UP???"

True...True.

[egressingsparrowdrop]

86. Agree "cheering" this is wrong

I looked through that thread, and there was very little of it.

The thing is, there are callous people in any population, including DU. Most of those "cheering" are just expressing, again, their distaste for Fox, and not really giving any thought or regard for the reporter. They don't wish him ill or REALLY celebrate his beating, they just stupidly used it as an opportunity to take a shot at Fox.

I agree it's wrong, but your expressions of deep shame, threat to leave, and accusation that DU is becoming WORSE than FR are over the top.

Chastise the callousness, sure, call it out, but don't invest it with more importance that it warrants...which isn't much. Certainly not this much.

[deacon]

87. Agree. K + R

[jobycom]

90. Put my name in your column on this one. K&R, nt

[Duende azul]

92. How about a little perspective?

This is the same board where lots of folks seem to be comfortable with their army eliminating civilians in Pakistan on a daily basis.

Ok, there is no evident cheering about it - cause we´re compassionate - but a lot of rationalization aka "collateral damage".
And remember the orgy of joy when the somalian pirates where taken out?

[leftynyc]

93. Amen

I just got online and haven't seen the threads you're referring to but I don't need to. I've seen the lynch mob behavior here before and it's disgusting. I'm embarassed by those posters. They should be ashamed.

[democrank]

94. Agree

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[melm00se]

97. hear hear

you my friend are spot on.

[chowder66]

98. 100% agree! eom

[Little Star]

99. hear, hear!!!! k&r

[Enthusiast]

101. I abhor violence.

But you must remember. Fox News is no different than a sweet little chunk of Nazi Germany sliced off and transported into the 21st century. They must be resisted with all the strength we have -or we must be prepared to live the consequences.

[juajen]

102. For what it's worth, you are spot on! This board sometimes suffers

because of it's popularit success. In addition to people who just love controversy, we have some outside elements that like to stir the pot of dissension and, in general, try to tear down a forum that is democratic. However, remember, we on DU like to give others an opportunity to express themselves, even if we do not agree with them. It is what has set this forum apart from the very beginning. If we outlaw crap, what would be have to disagree with? Just sayin'.

[mmonk]

104. I missed that. I would cheer no one getting beaten that is considered press.

It's ironic that a pro Mubarak propaganda machine would even have its reporters beaten. Hopefully more people will come to the proper conclusion about the Mubarak regime and examine US policy in the world as well.

[lupinella]

105. K&R

Thank you for this thread. We are suppose to be the party of peace & human rights; though we may not always live up to that ideal, we must be held to account.
:banghead:

[Kahuna]

106. K&R. nt

[RainDog]

107. kick and rec n/t

[October]

108. Seems obvious, but glad you posted /nt

[Robyn66]

111. Damn Right!(nt)

[MissDeeds]

112. I agree completely

And thanks for saying it so well.

K&R

[Chimichurri]

113. I haven't seen any threads like that at all.

[TomClash]

115. How about this?

"HOW DARE WE CHEER THE BEATING OF ANYONE?"

No reason only American reporters should receive sympathy.

[lame54]

116. almost rec'd ya...

but then I read the part about DU being worse that FR

can't do it

i agree with the overall sentiment of your thread

but I guess you couldn't help yourself and had to throw in the false equivalence

[orbitalman]

118. Clearly, BWB & others dont' understand, we are in a battle for the soul...

of our country. WE are not manufacturing the division, they are, IMO. The point is NOT cheering a reporter beating. The point is the "name" associated with our soul. :think: Enough with this bleeding heart stuff. There needs to be a deliniation between ultimate right and wrong. Those of us who can't stand the fire may be required to stand aside for the rest of us who are willing to fight it.

[Beacool]

119. Hear, hear!!!!

Bravo!!! I applaud you.

It was a damn embarrassment to see the vitriol spewed at these reporters simply because they work for FOX. Where's their humanity and common decency?

:applause:

[backscatter712]

120. Don't call the people from FOX News reporters...

I don't approve of beating them up, but don't insult the profession of journalism by calling these propagandists journalists.

[cali]

134. the guy who was beaten up from Fox is most assuredly a reporter

[Pacifist Patriot]

122. I agree with you, but I think it's fair to say that the people to whom your headline is addressed...

constitute a distinct minority. That doesn't excuse or condone their comments, but I think it's appropriate to point out they do not substantially reflect upon DU as an entire site.

[Bluenorthwest]

126. I agree with you Bob

I am ashamed of being here for many reasons this week, and the cheering is one of the leading reasons. I am rethinking the whole deal, personally. Horrors and hypocrisy get old.

[white_wolf]

127. I don't support or condone the beating of these reporters

but I won't lie if it was Beck or Limbaugh, or Hannity I would not shed a tear and would feel that they had it coming. Those three have cause too much damage for me to give a damn about.

[peace13]

128. Violence is violence.

It is all senseless and sad.

[Jennicut]

129. I agree and thought any reporters getting beaten is just terrible.

[WI_DEM]

132. Agreed.

[du_da]

135. Just because

the RW tries so hard to perfect the art of hypocrisy doesn't mean they have a monopoly on it by any stretch of the imagination. I am sure DU is the often the laughing stock among those who are not already part of the choir due to the idiocy of those who seem to follow the do as I say not as I do is mantra or give little consideration to the fact that politics requires convincing others to support your cause. And that observation is true even without the latest efforts that make many of us /facepalm in response to those that we hope would know better.

It is tragic because in many ways those who most closely align are often our cause's own worst enemies.

[disillusioned73]

136. I must have missed some stuff...

but I agree.. K&R :dem:

[Buddyblazon]

137. My first Unrec since unrec became available.

As several people have posted this...yet nobody wants to acknowledge:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x344601

The ACTUAL numbers that you surgically removed from your butt and never actually presented.

You are dishonest.

eom

[liberation]

140. Can you provide actual examples?

And no, pointing out that FOX News are a corrupt propaganda institution does not equal to cheer for the beating of their reporters.

[SharksBreath]

148. Think Progress. Here is your proof. Right Wing Mocks Reporters In Egyp

Right Wing Mocks Reporters In Egypt: Not ‘A Great Deal Of Sympathy For Those Who’ve Been Attacked’
Foreign journalists reporting on the anti-government protests have increasingly been under attack by supporters of President Hosni Mubarak’s government. Pro-government forces have detained, beaten or arrested dozens, if not hundreds, of reporters in the past few days as they were trying to get the story out to the world. CNN’s Anderson Cooper reported that he and his crew were repeatedly beaten. An ABC News correspondent and his crew were carjacked and threatened with beheading.

Naturally, the crackdown — believed to be the work of the Egyptian government — has been widely criticized. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said yesterday that the attacks were an assault on free speech and called on the Mubarak government to allow journalists to report without impediment.

Yet, many on the right don’t see it that way. A writer on Andrew Breitbart’s “Big Peace” website said yesterday, “I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for those who have been attacked,” he said, adding, “hen they take huge risks for the sake of ratings and then find themselves in trouble, it’s hard to take seriously.” Fox News has had at least three of its reporters harassed or beaten, yet Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade “sarcastically” praised the Egyptian government’s thuggery skills. “You got to hand it…to the forces out there that seem to be pro-Mubarak who are beating up every news source,” he said.

And the New Republic’s Marty Peretz accused journalists in Egypt of “professional narcissism,” saying they should’ve expected to get beaten. But perhaps comments from right-wing radio host Mike Gallagher win the most insensitive prize. Gallagher not only suggested that ABC’s Christiane Amanpour might join “Death to America” chants there, but — with clear homophobic undertones — attacked Cooper for getting beaten, even saying that he may have “enjoyed it a little bit”:

GALLAGHER: Maybe that isn’t where you ought to go wandering around Anderson, all, what are you about 5’7” – 5’8”? What do you go Anderson about 160? With your little perfectly quaffed grey hair and your little delicate features you might not want to go over to Egypt and walk around the middle of a crowd that’s screaming “death to America.” … I wonder if Christine Amanpour wasn’t right there with them. “Death to America! Down with America!” <...>

Hey Anderson, were you really punched 10 times in the head? Come on. It almost sounds like he enjoyed it a little bit. … “Oh I was punched 10 times in the head.” Well that’s what happens when you go into a bunch of rioters, dopey.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/04/reporters-egypt-sympathy/

Making jokes about the reporters getting beaten.



Like I said.

Fuck Em.

You guys need some tissues for your bleeding hearts.

Those who have no compassion deserve none.

[woo me with science]

190. Uh huh. Just like pointing at a rape victim and saying she went to seedy clubs

doesn't mean you cheer that she was raped, right?

Give it up. It's all vile.

[leftcoastie]

143. Violence

used against another human being is always unacceptable unless they are physically trying to kill, harm, or maim you.

[Name removed]

144. Deleted message

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[denbot]

154. + 1

[itsrobert]

183. +1

thanks

[backwoodsbob]

186. how about you kiss my ass

I'm not being quiet anymore.

I'll stack my liberal cred against yours any day.I'm the one who got arrested last year during an anti mountaintop removal protest.I'M THE ONE Who Fought against my county when they banned wind farms on East River Mountain.I'M THE ONE who organized the ONLY anti war protest in my area when we were going into Iraq.

Don't EVER question me or my beliefs.

Ask around here about my work with our local animal shelters.HOW DARE YOU question my right to be here.

Look at the pic in my sig..that's one of the MANY rescues I have done.I currently have three rescues at my home.I gathered over 4,000 lbs of food for our local non kill rescue last year.I donated AT LEAST 400 hours last year to our local non kill.
The little terrier in my sig?...she was HOURS from being put down and I took her from the local pound.She is now the Fearsome she warrior of my hill...fat and happy.She is one of MANY I have rescued..I have placed more homeless dogs than you have had diapers changed sweetpea..so don't play that crap on me.

What have you done?

[backwoodsbob]

188. kicking this

so people can see exactly what I'm talking about.

Some keyboard warrior tells me..one of the biggest animal rights activists on this site..that I belong on FR

[tpsbmam]

145. I'm glad I totally missed the thread(s) where cheering went on. That's beyond

pathetic. Thank your for calling those folks out. And frankly, anyone who puts up with that without slamming the cheering squads shares in the guilt.

[The Doctor.]

146. Yeah, bit of a Chimera that one. n/t

[Doc Martin]

151. Nonviolence? Peace? Are these progressive values?

Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him.
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.
-Mother Teresa

[Uncle Joe]

152. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, backwoodsbob.

[No Passaran]

153. It's a goddamn shame

I agree with you

[DoBotherMe]

161. DU is not, nor has it ever been "WORSE than FR"

If you are against inflammatory speech, why do you have “lets take em out” as a comment in your profile? Seems a bit disingenuous to me.

[itsrobert]

181. +30000000000000000

I see the OP has went into hiding. Hit and run.

[louslobbs]

162. It's The Only Thing, That There's Much Too Little of

What the world needs now is love, sweet love
It's the only thing that there's just too little of
What the world needs now is love, sweet love,
No not just for some but for everyone. Jackie DeShannon

And for those who Love Money Sweet Money and Power Sweet Power,
May you find a heart, learn to love and use your power and money
to make this world a better place for everyone, not just for some.

Conversation leads to breakthroughs and Confrontations lead to breakdowns.

Reality versus fantasy, stories and outright lies and fabrications.

Living into a future of what is possible for us all, rather than a story about
the past that has us repeating things that don't work and doing the same things over and over
again and expecting a different result. The definition, some say, of insanity.

Unfulfilled expectations will always lead to some form of UPSET.

Love or Hate, which will get the Oscar in a World such as this and in a Nation so divided by hate and fear
such as ours?

So I ask, may we have the envelope please?

[woo me with science]

166. K&R nt

[Rex]

167. Anyone that compares this site to FR should be forced to post on FR

for about a month...oh nm, I suspect many do. I am ashamed at the obvious ploy in this post and that so many longtime poster fall for it (or pretend to). A HANDFUL of posters out of THOUSANDS. This tread is really illuminating...not in the way it was probably meant to be.

Keep up the bullshit hyperbole! Better yet just leave if you hate DU so much!

But I expect you WON'T, because there are so many other things to complain about The DU.

Pathetic.

:eyes:

[itsrobert]

178. +100000000000000000

Thanks Rex.

[Name removed]

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[Zambero]

171. Tragically, once again, the victim is not Glenn Beck

The folks in the trenches risking their lives to cover this story deserve a whole lot of respect and admiration, regardless of who signs their paychecks. The media whores who twist and manipulate events to further an extreme agenda, from the comfort of their cushy studios, are the ones who deserve a lickin'!


:spank:

[Catherine Vincent]

173. I agree.

Some DUers are just as bad as freepers. They prove it time and time again.

[muntrv]

174. Exactly. This is DU, not freak republick.

[Butch350]

175. Cool.

Another sinless person. I stand in awe of you. NSS!

[itsrobert]

177. Overreact much ?

Aren't you being kind of dramatic over a few bad apples?

[itsrobert]

179. Unrecommended

This poster is saying DU is "becoming WORSE than FR" and it's being recommended by DUers. It's nowhere near FR. Not even frickin close.

[Crunchy Frog]

180. I'm surprised that posts like that aren't being deleted by the moderators.

That is not a form of discussion that should be "tolerated" on this site.

[HankyDubs]

182. so it turns out this was all bullshit

unrecced for phony moralizing.

[Can of Whoop-ass]

184. Screw FOX!

Screw FOX! What the Hell are they there for, to make money off others misery and their problems?
I don't blame the Egyptian for being angry, but I do blame Americans who are arrogant enough not to respect Egyptian culture.

[The Farmer]

187. I didn't enjoy anyone being beaten

But I loved watching Rush do a 180 when it was FOX reporters right after he laughed and said "Neener Neener Neener" when it was other reporters earlier in the day. Can you spell H Y P O C R I T, or J A C K A S S synonymous with Limbaugh? That, I loved !

[ElboRuum]

191. Uh, I am not seeing what you're seeing here.

The vast majority in that thread are on your page on this. I did see a couple of idiots throw in with some untoward comments, but that'll happen regardless.

Not to suggest you don't have a right to your own shame, but really, are you seriously suggesting that an extreme few are somehow indicative of DU such that you would compare it unfavorably to FR? I see the fact that a board whose membership unanimously loathes the media poison that is Fox, and can find good cause and justification to blame it in large part for this countries epidemic of ignorance, being vastly empathetic to what these reporters went through as speaking several thousand positive volumes about us.

[Curmudgeoness]

192. I agree completely. Please don't leave. We need sanity

at times like this. There really are a lot of great people here. We need your reasoning.

[The Nexus]

196. I noticed some people here are using this clip as justification for this

Swiped it off the thread. Very sad indeed.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200912210016