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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:16 PM
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The great mediator: Can Obama get it right?
CNN-
The increasingly urgent push for reform comes as the Egyptian government pushed back on what it called "vague" statements from the Obama administration about the pace of transition.

One Egyptian government official told CNN the United States has shown support for its "road map" for transitioning to democracy by the end of Mubarak's term in September, but said Obama's call for an "orderly transition" are at odds with his call for an immediate one.

The Egyptian official said conversations with Washington suggest the United States understands this process, but public statements from Obama, Clinton, and U.S. government spokesmen have sent mixed messages.

"We understand the need to be vague and play to the street, but this is hardly the time," the official said.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/04/egypt.us.response/index.html?hpt=T1


The problem is, you can't be the great mediator all the time. This is what Obama is now touting himself as these days. With Republicans, big business and now the political crisis in Egypt. Sometimes, there is only one side to choose. Unfortunately, he wants it both ways. That's just not always possible.

In this case though, lives are at stake. Democracy is at stake. A major shift in mid-east politics hangs in the balance. Not an easy one, I'll give him that. Wouldn't wish that job on anyone.

Personally, I think he should just say it. Urge Mubarak to step down now. Say it specifically. Once, and only once he is gone, can any orderly transition take place.




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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:19 PM
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1. He'll do exactly what the MIC tells him to do.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:20 PM
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2. his track record against republicans versus his beligerance towards Mubarak? lol nt
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:20 PM
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3. I would take CNN's opinion with a grain of salt.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:21 PM
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4. No. He has zero options except to cling to the untenable policies of the past. nt
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 06:21 PM by mix
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:06 AM
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10. But he doesn't have that option any longer
The 2009 Iranian revolt, Tunisia, now Egypt. If we do not make an attempt to support the people's side, we will get the 79 Iranian result again.
Why do they hate us? Remember that famous headline after 911?
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:24 PM
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5. Did we learn nothing from the Hubris and Bluster of GW Bush???
It is not the place of our President to tell the Egyptian President to go, particularly as a way to tell the Egyptian people how we think this should end up.

The outcome here is not up to us, it is up to them.



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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:36 PM
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7. In a perfect world perhaps,
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 06:39 PM by mix
but the geopolitical reality is that the US is deeply enmeshed in Egyptian and ME politics/economies. This is a client state that the US will not allow to either become Islamist, which is highly unlikely, or secularly independent. Never, if it can help it. The US will only accept the class and system that Mubarak represents, with or without him; thus Omar Sulieman.

The Obama administration is not likely to shift course on 30 years of American policy in Egypt--support for the pharaonic regime and its anti-democratic essence.
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:36 PM
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8. I believe that if we leave it up to Mubarak
it won't go well for anyone there, least of all the Egyptian people. We can't drag him out by the ears, no. But we do have influence. I say, exert that influence as much as possible. Give the opposition as much of a chance as they deserve.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:15 PM
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9. The best way to exert that influence is through our connections to the military
not on TV.

If we can persuade the military to be "with the people", there is no need for hubris.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:36 PM
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6. Mediator or arbitrator? Our Constitution establishes the president as head of the executive branch
with arbitrator authority.

That same Constitution establishes Congress as a democratic mediation authority.

Why should Obama spend his time trying to mediate when our Constitution established the presidency as an arbitrator?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 10:18 AM
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11. Obama basher here
Who thinks Obama is doing a good job.... so far.

Sec. Clinton spoke firmly against the violence. Then the violence slowed a good bit. The administration is having a good effect.
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 12:00 PM
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14. The violence continues today
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 12:04 PM by PhillySane
and it is even possible you will see more if the army moves into the square as they are threatening to do right now.

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/2/4/democracy_now_special_two_hour_show_on_saturday
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 10:23 AM
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12. Here
Those with deep knowledge of the situation believe President Obama has gotten it right.

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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 11:58 AM
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13. Deep knowledge of what situation?
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 12:08 PM by PhillySane
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