Liberal caller leaves Rush Limbaugh sputtering like a fool.

[sufrommich]

A liberal caller asked Limbaugh why Ronald Reagan is a hero to conservatives when he raised taxes, cut and ran from Lebanon, granted amnesty to illegal immigrants, and negotiated with terrorists. Limbaugh answered by claiming that the caller didn’t understand Reagan, “Why is a Reagan a hero to conservatives. Given what you said, and I am not trying to avoid the question, I don’t think you’d understand it.”

The caller repeated his question again, and told Limbaugh that he didn’t think he understood why conservatives love Reagan. Rush replied it, “No, I do, most assuredly I do. I don’t think you understand it. Where did you get this silly notion that Reagan raised taxes on Social Security? What websites do you read? Where did you pick that up?” The caller told Rush to look up the Greenspan Commission. It’s a matter of history and that it is general knowledge.

Listen here:
http://www.politicususa.com/en/limbaugh-liberal-ronald-reagan

[hobbit709]

1. "Like a fool"?

[sufrommich]

2. Point taken. nt

[Fumesucker]

5. Evil isn't stupid, evil may use stupid or act stupid but evil is smart.

Limbaugh is evil, not stupid, he knows he's lying about nearly everything.

Don't do him the favor of painting him a fool, we have pity for fools and Limbaugh deserves no pity at all.

[mopinko]

12. +1

[Hannah Bell]

61. +100. he's so evil if you popped him green slime would ooze out, like the picture of dorian gray.

[zeemike]

3. I hard that exchange on Randy Rhodes

It was impressive how the caller held his cool and put pig boy on the spot....

[sufrommich]

7. I loved that Limbaugh's only coherent answer was" what

website did you get that from", as if where he got his info from would negate the facts.This is why you never see these right wing talk hacks ever, ever put themselves out there for debate.

[treestar]

16. Exactly, RWs always attack the source

when they have no answer.

In their attempt to dodge the question, they bring up red herrings.

[66 dmhlt]

46. Mike Stark had Rushbo's head spinning

Facts ... they have such a well-documented Liberal bias

[Maraya1969]

23. Yea that type of trick, ask a question to the question so you can avoid the first question

are favorites topics of this gang.

[PSzymeczek]

41. It was certainly

a thing of beauty.

[judesedit]

80. Where did you find Randi? Since FL won't let us have any real progressive radio anymore, I lost her

I definitely want her back. Along with Stephanie Miller and the Mooks, Marc Marin, Mark Riley, Thom Hartmann, too many to name. I miss them all. Thankfully, Al is now a Senator, Rachel has her own show on cable, along with Ed, and many others joining them, but there are still some missing. For the financially challenged who do not have satelite radio or the latest electronics and gadgets, is there hope of finding Randi? It sure was nice when I could turn on the radio morning, afternoon or evening and get a sane, reasonable, intelligent, and knowledgable host giving me realistic, honest, correct facts about what's going on in this country. As it is, I'm sure Florida's GOP leaning had a lot to do with getting the truth off the air. They are hoping to keep Floridians as dumb as dirt for as long as possible.

[zeemike]

84. She is on my car radio.

And comes from a Taos New Mexico station.
But i know what you mean about Florida...I live there once.

[chelsea0011]

4. Reagan would never pass muster with this RW crowd. That is how

right they have become.

[AngryOldDem]

21. And that is the big joke.

Even Reagan would be too left for them now.

[gtar100]

39. The Reagan we know, yes. But Reagan was a rich-man boot licker and

would have gone as far to the right as he needed to. He acted on interest, not principle.

[joentokyo]

52. Hear, hear!

Name a president in past 50 years who was not kissing the boot of the Uber-rich.

[alp227]

73. Liberal Values blog: The Tea Party Would See Ronald Reagan As A Socialist If He Was Here Today

http://liberalvaluesblog.com/2011/02/05/the-tea-party-would-see-ronald-reagan-as-a-socialist-if-he-was-here-today/

"If the Tea Party sees a pro-business, pro-capitalism liberal such as Barack Obama as a socialist after all his tax cuts, imagine what they would think of a president who presided over a federal government with significantly higher tax rates than today and who raised taxes while in office."

[xchrom]

6. 'somebody like you just has to be defeated'?

rush -- dude -- get a grip.

conservatives operate on paranoia and paranoia only.

[Cassandra]

8. Apparently that was Mike Stark.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/2/4/941351/-I-chatted-with-Rush-Limbaugh-about-Ronald-Reagan-today-%28you-can-listen%29

[sufrommich]

9. Thank you for that,Cassandra. nt

[roamer65]

26. Delete.

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. He stutters and stammers like Porky Pig when he's cornered.

I no longer listen to him, but in the past I've heard him babble on like a fool at times like this.

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[AnotherMother4Peace]

13. He always gets flustered when presented w/facts, because he's not used to being challenged

[nxylas]

81. How did this guy get through the call screeners?

The only bad thing about this is that it probably resulted in some poor schmuck on minimum wage losing their job :(

[bullwinkle428]

14. And people wonder why this gas bag absolutely REFUSES to appear

on any kind of show that involves debate with someone that has at least half a brain.

Just search Youtube for his appearance on David Letterman's show back in the early 90s. Watch Dave PWN his ass, and judge for yourself how well he'd do in any challenging situation!

Here it is! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qZjPASfO3M

[WinkyDink]

40. With his multi-multi-millions, why should he?

[fascisthunter]

15. he like the rest are full of shit like Reagan himself

they like acting and they are all bad at it.

[Major Hogwash]

51. Hahahaha.

That is so true.

[global1]

17. I'm Surprised That A Liberal Caller Even Got Through To Talk With Rush.......

don't they screen calls for him and only let the safe ones on?

[Cowpunk]

18. Mike Stark is well versed in circumventing call screeners.

He's been at this quite a while. The name of his blog was "Calling All Wingnuts"

[EFerrari]

19. LOL! That's great. n/t

[babylonsister]

67. Mike Stark is infamous; thanks for recalling his name for me...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Stark

[Enthusiast]

29. This is true, mostly. nt

[Mnemosyne]

20. And this is different how? :)

Thanks, good post! :hi:

[goforit]

22. Ding ding ding...Hello Rush? Is anybody there in that pea brain of yours

[kentuck]

24. Rush will work on this all weekend so he can tell us all the great things...

that Reagan did, when he returns on Monday.

The guy massacred him!

[Initech]

25. Good, I hope we keep owning that moron.

[roamer65]

27. It's all true on Raygun. Raygun turned me from a con into a liberal.

Raygun had no morals or principles. It was all just show with him. Say one thing...then do another behind the scenes.

Raygun was the 2nd worst president, behind "The Moron".

[PSzymeczek]

43. Me, too.

By the end of his first term.

[Enthusiast]

28. Fantastic!

Usually Limbaugh disrupts and distracts the listeners when faced with the reality of an informed caller. Maybe Limbaugh is losing his deft touch on the ol' propaganda delivery.

[Dappleganger]

30. Like a Boss!

Gotta love it.

:rofl:

[Rex]

31. If only the M$M treated their 'TV messiahs' like that caller did.

Tweety would actually have to work for a living. Hannity would be a manager at Applebees.

[obxhead]

55. I've worked as a server off and on for 15 years

None of the TV pundits could handle the stress of the restaurant trade.

[Diana Prince]

32. NPR had a great story...

On 2/4 NPR had a great story on how Reagan actually raised taxes 11x during his presidency. The Repugs even when confronted facts will deny, deny, deny.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/04/133489113/Reagan-Legacy-Clouds-Tax-Record

[Canuckistanian]

33. That's not just any "Liberal caller"

That's Mike Stark, who DUers should recognize from this pic:

[johnaries]

34. One thing is for sure,

whoever screens Rush's calls is now one of the unemployed.

[The Straight Story]

35. So reagan was a liberal?

Damn, I am gonna celebrate his Bday tomorrow :evilgrin:

[druidity33]

36. K&R for Mike Stark. nt.

[RBInMaine]

37. However, this guy is an asshat for calling Obama a "stuffed shirt." He is in ultra-left field if he

thinks this country will EVER elect anyone more liberal than Obama anytime soon. Most Americans are in the middle. Perhaps a bit left or right, but in the largest area of the bell curve. He makes some good points about Reagan and their hypocrisy, but this guy is no mainstream liberal. He's on the fringe if he writes off Obama as a stuffed shirt, and he better get it through his head once and for all that the likes of Sanders, Kucinich, or Nader will never, ever, ever be President of this moderate country. (Much as I like Sanders, Kucinich, and many of Nader's positions, AINT GONNA HAPPEN. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. Better change his attitude about Obama, because he's the best he's gonna get, and he's damn good !)

[ensemble]

44. there are a lot of liberals....

disappointed with Obama, who is not a liberal himself. So I guess they are "on the fringe" and don't matter. OK.

[pezDispenser]

50. add me to the fringe liberal group who does not matter

[Ramulux]

47. Awesome attitude

You are mental. Why dont you go ahead and explain to me why Obama was elected in the first place. How did a guy who was (during the campaign) for things like a single payer system, ending NAFTA, ending the Bush tax cuts, immediately completely withdrawing from Iraq, campaign finance reform, gay marriage, transparent government, and ending the prescription drug monopoly by allowing people to buy from other countries, get elected. Those were all things he was for at the least in the early parts of the campaign, those were the beliefs that motivated the massive outpouring of support that gave Obama such a huge advantage in the primaries and general elections. Those were all hardcore liberal beliefs.

Many of those beliefs by now have been either forgotten or completely reversed. Obama has governed as a completely different person than the person he ran as. Whatever the reason for that, I dont really care. What matters to me is that the 2008 election was about the American people embracing liberalism, embracing a different view of government than the one the republicans had in place for 8 years. Obama ran as a slightly less radical, infinitely more charismatic version of Ralph Nader. If you listen to speeches Obama gave soon after announcing his bid for the presidency, he channeled Nader on many issues that other democrats like Hillary weren't talking about. All around the country, people in extremely conservative districts embraced true progressives like Alan Grayson and Tom Perrielo. People who were real democrats, people who were not "moderate" in any way.

The combination of the failures of George Bush and the interest generated from a rock-star candidate made people look at liberalism as not such a bad thing. In response to this wide-spread, grassroots driven, unabashedly liberal campaign, the American people elected liberals all over this country. Thats the reality. We elected the campaign Obama, not the corporate, pragmatic, and naive person he is today. He fucking lied to us, he inspired millions of democrats who felt like the democratic party no longer meant anything and then spat in their face. He took our money, time and hope and once he was elected slowly began changing positions on dozens of issues.

The point is that the American people will respond to an honest progressive campaign run on liberal values, they did in 2008. Regardless of what Obama has now become, regardless of his lack of desire to truly reform our government, that doesn't mean Americans wont vote for people like Kucinich in districts all over this country.

[creeksneakers2]

54. Your post is dishonest

1. Obama did not campaign for single payer. He promised about what we got, but we got mandatory purchase instead of a public option.

2. Obama did not promise to end NAFTA. He said he'd fix it. He hasn't so far and it doesn't look like its possible to do it.

3. Obama did not promise to end the Bush tax cuts. He said we'd keep the cuts except for those over $250,000. That one was compromised away. He has provided additional tax cuts for working Americans.

4. Obama never said he'd completely withdraw from Iraq. He gave a timetable that was very close to what was actually happend. We're down to 40K in Iraq now. Obama also promised to transfer assets to Afghanistan, which he's done.

5. I don't remember Obama saying anything about campaign finance reform. Obama raised more money than any candidate in history and turned down public financing. That was known up front.

6. Obama did not favor gay marriage. He favored civil unions. If anything, he's more liberal about gay issues than before.

7. Ending the prescription drug monopoly: He tried to do that. Didn't have the votes.

8. Obama promised transparency. As far as I know, he's done what he could.

I don't know why you say these things about Obama that aren't true. I don't believe you voted for him. You are wrong about Kucinich getting lots of votes. He ran twice and only got about 1% of the Democratic vote. He'd get less independents and probably no GOP.

Obama made if clear as a candidate that he believed in compromise. He even complained that there wasn't enough of it in our system. He, therefore, never promised anything in black and white. They were only goals to begin negotiating from.

He did not spit in anybody's face and that's a terrible, untrue thing to say.

[Ramulux]

68. Bullshit

1. Obama did favor a single payer system, he said it many times during the campaign.

2. OK fine, he said he had a lot of problems with it and wanted to generally change our trade policy. You say fix, I say change, its the same thing and by the time he was elected he was already pretending he hadn't said any of those things anyway.

3. Guess I should have specified people who make over 250,000 sort of thought it was easy to get the point of what I was saying.

4. Yes he did

5. He spoke many times about the problems that exist in our elections and the need to get corporate money out of the campaigns. Again he forgot about this position pretty quickly and ended up taking more corporate donations than any presidential candidate ever.

6. Yes he did, his position changed pretty soon into the election but hes on the record as being pro- gay marriage as late as 2007.

7. This pisses me the fuck off, because you obviously just made this shit up. Obama specifically said that he wanted to allow Americans to buy medicine from other countries during the campaign, then one of the first things he did during the health care debate was cut a deal with Billy Tauzin and big pharma to drop that element from the actual bill. He then applied intense pressure on many reps who did not support the deal he cut. It was never about not having the votes, it never even came up for a fucking vote, he dropped it in a back-room deal that got him nothing and then went after members of his own party for not supporting that deal. You want to talk about making a dishonest post and then you spout this absolute shit about Obama pushing to allow importation of drugs and then only giving up after not having enough votes, when the reality is the exact opposite. Pathetic.

8. Obama hasn't tried to do shit for transparency. He promised no more back-room deals, and that every debate on the health care bill would be aired on C-Span. He never even attempted to do any of this.


Listen, I dont know why it is you feel so compelled to defend Obama by saying that he didn't say things he did say or that he did do things he did not do and I dont care, but seriously man do the tiniest bit of research before you claim that I am being dishonest. Almost every point you made was false and very easily debunked just by doing a quick Google search. You also misunderstood what I was saying about Kucinich, I was not saying that he himself could win the presidency, I was using him as an example of how people with beliefs similar to his can win elections all over the country.

[NewJeffCT]

82. While I've been very disappointed by Obama

but, some of your facts are wrong.

1) He said that if we were building a healthcare system from the ground up, he would favor single payer. However, he also said that since we already have a healthcare system in place, we would have to work with the system in place & improve upon that. If you read into his words that he was going to push a single-payer system, you weren't paying attention and did not read his healthcare plan that he had proposed during the primaries. There was no single-payer system in there, and his plan was generally slightly more conservative than Hillary Clinton's plan. To me, the disappointment was that he didn't fight hard for a public option and the single payer crowd didn't get a seat at the table. Plus, his messaging, and the messaging of his fellow Democrats, was awful.

4) he said we were going to get out of Iraq on a timetable and that we would leave behind a residual force. What is there in Iraq now is the residual force.

6) Obama stated before the election that he was against gay marriage, however he has stated that he believes the DOMA should be repealed. He's flip flopped on DOMA, but I have not heard him flip-flop on gay marriage. Repealing DOMA does not automatically allow gay marriage.

On items 7 and 8, I agree with you.

[Ramulux]

85. Alright

You are probably right on a number of these, but I could have sworn I had heard either an interview or speech where Obama said that he supported a single payer system and he would "attempt" to see what he could do about implementing one. I am aware that he changed his position on that pretty soon into the campaign and as you said made it clear it wasn't necessarily a realistic option.

As for gay marriage, maybe I am wrong about him being for it in the early days of the campaign, but I know for a fact that had said on the record that he supported gay marriage in 2006.

[Hannah Bell]

63. +100. the present incarnation of obama couldn't win an election.

the left-liberal incarnation did.

[socialist_n_TN]

83. YES! This is the biggest disappointment with Obama.........

for me. I knew people (relatives) who were SO disgusted with the Bush presidency that they were READY for a new paradigm of government. They were READY to give leftist ideas on positions a SHOT. AND THEY HAD BEEN RWers FOR 30 YEARS! Obama tapped into that mindset to get elected and then WASTED the chance to make it happen.

For whatever reason (and I really don't know what it was), as soon as he received flak for those "liberal" positions THAT WERE THE REASON HE WON IN THE FIRST PLACE, he caved. And yes, I KNOW that a lot of those positions would have been HARD to do facing united Republican opposition and also the DLC Dems. But that doesn't mean that you don't FIGHT for them. I mean REALLY fight for them. You KEEP them in the forefront of the debate and you MIGHT be able to orchestrate a groundswell of popular support that would have swept aside all of the opposition and gotten at least SOME of them enacted.

Now those RWers who voted for Obama to try out REAL change, see that he's just a "kinder, gentler" supply sider and they think that that's what "liberalism" is. So they've gone back to their OLD positions and, in addition, Obama has lost (or is losing) the LEFT too. Basically, in '08 the country actually WAS voting for "Change you can believe in." because they thought the country was on the wrong track. NOW, because they didn't get that "Change" they're going back to an even MORE virulent version of RW positions because they STILL think that the country is on the wrong track.

It's a fucking shame all around.

[provis99]

49. let's see. "Ultra-left" bad, centrist good. Got it.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

71. Obama is turning out to be a corporate Turd Burgerler.

He has not only surrounded himself with the entrenched government leeches sucking of the tit for the last 30 years, but now he advocates for Monsanto.

Stop treating him like he is an advocate for the welfare of the majority. He isn't.

[HankyDubs]

79. me3

Totally irrellevant. Not "mainstream" enough.

[Leithan]

38. The freakin' SUNRISE makes Rush sputter like a fool!

He is awestruck and overly excited that the Sun came back after dying 12 hours before!

[RBInMaine]

42. In many ways, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush-1 were all moderate compared to today's RePukes.

Nixon gave us the EPA and methadone clinics. Reagan negotiated with Tip O'Neil to shore up Social Security and supported the Brady handgun law after it was passed. Bush-1 broke his read-my-lips pledge due to Reagan-era budget deficits and passed the Americans With Disabilities Act and a civil rights bill.

[Shining Jack]

45. Never like Raygun. He was the firs politician that I truly disliked.

But the Crackpots that we're seeing today are total freaks. And those promoting them are so ignorant that it makes me wonder...

[cantbeserious]

48. Link To You Tube Video Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x550901

[Mosaic]

53. Limbought is a fucking retarted

Monkey, enough said!!!

[obxhead]

56. That would be retarded

and there is no need to insult people with a genuine handicap by lumping them into a group with Limbaugh.

:hi:

[Hannah Bell]

57. i thought rushbo screened his callers better; so as not to let any facts or intelligence in.

"You represent the impossibility of bridging the gap. somebody like you just has to be defeated."

yeah, it's impossible to bridge the gap between people with facts & people with fantasy-based propaganda, rush.

"just has to be defeated," eh?

how do you propose to go about it, rushbo?

god, what a fascist pig. he's saying it's not possible to have a democratic conversation with people like the caller. in fact, it's not possible to have one with liars like rush, who are driven solely by money & ideology, are totally insincere & are actually the attack pigs of hidden interests.

[sufrommich]

59. Apparently this guy bluffed his way on. Good for him. nt

[Toon Me Out]

60. he's like Savage

Producer lets in an occasional progressive if the host thinks he'll have some humor at their expense

[Populist_Prole]

76. True. Screener's job is to make him look good

So if a caller calls and says he disagrees with RL, the screener will try to make sure the caller will state his/her case in an inarticulate manner ( which unfortunately, happens often ) or has several points to make. Russhbo will then use a strawman argument against ( what he perceives as ) the weakest point, or drown an inarticulate caller in talking points.

The only way to really make your point there is to call and seem to be an inarticulate arguer of a single point, and then once you are on use your scalpel and cut deep. He can still try to rebuff you, bet even his most loyal listeners will still cringe at the cognitive dissonance. You can always tell when he's been genuinely hit: He'll talk about it long after, well after the normal litany of ass kissing calls and stupid song parodies he'll try to bury it in.

[Toon Me Out]

58. Rush knows he sells bullshit.

He can count on most of his audience sitting there and staying misinformed.

[Contrary1]

62. "...and I am not trying to avoid the question"

I'm just trying not to answer.

:rofl:

[craigmatic]

64. Conservatives like reagan for the same reason kids like apple jacks even though it doesn't taste

like apples- they just do. Most don't even know what he did anyway so they just made up this huge reagan cult myth. But this is a great find. I would've never thought of looking at reagan that way.

[vicarofrevelwood]

65. ZING!

Fat Boy Hates Being Shut up!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

66. K&R and bkmrkd and shouting it from the rooftops ...thanks for the link.

well done :applause:

[GreenTea]

69. Pigman Limbaugh is a liar- He Lles to his dittohead sheep each day-Then panics when the truth

accidentally gets through on his show to his crazed racist audience....

The pigman will continue lying because he absolutely knows his uninformed moronic uneducated audience will NEVER look up the truth or facts.

The Limbaugh robots would rather not even know the truth, it's easier for them to go through life blindly believing lies...believing in their racist hate-laced fantasy world of lies.

And the pigman knows this a very well and uses it and manipulates his sheep accordingly each and every day.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

70. Rush... the Blustering Fool.

The voice of idiots gets spanked.

Now, fuck off and die.

[DLine]

72. Job opening for call screener at EIB

No way Limbaugh can let another informed Liberal slip in.

[Marr]

74. Limbaugh is probably the worst of the right-wing talkers at actually arguing.

I've heard him cornered a few times. The other right-wing nuts bail on the call very quickly and put on a huge angry act to move the audience along. Limbaugh must have an enormous ego.

[jonthebru]

75. He only pontificates.

He can't discuss or negotiate. At the end he said; "Somebody like you (the caller) just has to be defeated." There is no thought of win-win or shared results. To the right, "bridging the gap" is buying into whatever he (they) tells you is the truth. Drinking the Kool-aid, so to speak. He has actually said liberals should be killed, never forget that.
Listen and analyze. That is the opposition. Study, investigate and be ready to speak the truth.
The sad thing is for decades now, very nice people have been immersed in this propaganda and believe everything this fool says.

[Populist_Prole]

77. Spot on

You can't discuss or argue with those types in good faith. It's their way or the highway.

[eridani]

78. Weird--Pimplebutt ususally screens those callers out n/t