Jail Bush.

[Octafish]

The election thief, George Walker Bush, lied America into two illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous wars.



These same wars made fortunes for his cronies. Yet Bush walks free.

What's more, We the People are expected to smile and pick up the guy's tab.

[Taverner]

1. If only we could

If only

If wishes were fishes we all would eat

But on the other hand, if those fishes that are wishes turn out to be dishes

Then we can at least have a plate

[Octafish]

2. I'd pile a big heaping helping of justice on all of our plates, my Friend.

These aren't just gangsters. These are traitorous warmongers, descended from traitorous warmongers.

[Taverner]

8. Yes they are

Prescott Bush, a NAZI sympathizer and funder

Herbert Walker, a NAZI sympathizer and funder

[SDuderstadt]

18. Jesus...

not this shit again. This stupid "Nazi sympathizer" myth has been debunked by no less than Joe Conason, Herbert Parmet and the Jewish Anti-Defamation League.

I'll take their word over yours any day.

[Taverner]

24. Really - I honestly have never heard this. Could you send me a link?

I thought there was a direct correlation between Prescott and the Nazis, and that they were fined for violating the trading with the enemy act

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[SDuderstadt]

36. That's because...

you don't think there's anything wrong with smearing people by associating them with Nazi's, dude.

[Octafish]

48. And you're always there to re-mind me, sduderstadt.

Wake up, minder dude.

[SDuderstadt]

50. Like I said, dude...

it doesn't matter to you who you smear. Kinda like the people you rail against.

[Octafish]

54. The people I rail against are the Bushes, sduderstadt, the family that's gotten us into this mess.

If I post something about them that is not true, please point it out.
Otherwise, why you feel it necessary to defend them is beyond me. Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

59. I have repeatedly...

dude.

Correcting your factual inaccuracies is NOT "defending the Bushes", dude.

[Octafish]

60. Point out my ''factual inaccuracies,'' sduderstadt.

You say I post things that aren't true, so show me. I will apologize and thank you for the correction.

[SDuderstadt]

62. No, you won't, dude.

You have never done so before. Why would you start doing so now?

It's rather pointless.

[Octafish]

63. Show me where, sduderstadt.

I'm a man of my word.

[SDuderstadt]

68. Three off the top of my head...

1. Your claim that Osama bin Laden was W's business partner.
2. Your claim that Prescott Bush was a "Nazi sympathizer".
3. When I stated that I had publicly and repeatedly called for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of Bush and Cheney, you claimed that I had not. When I posted direct evidence of it, you moved the goalposts and claimed that I hadn't done anything to make it happen, when I never claimed I had to begin with.

"Man of (your) word", indeed.

[Octafish]

69. Here you go, sduderstadt.

James R. Bath ties Bush and bin Laden families through business*.

Prescott Bush was involved in business with Hitler and in the coup against FDR.

I tracked every link you posted and came up with no evidence of you calling for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of Bush.

DUers and interested readers can visit the links and see for themselves.

* new link for expired link image:

[SDuderstadt]

70. Dude...we've done this countless times before...

I'm not going to go back and forth with you about this all day. But, as to your first "response", showing a "connection" between the Bush and bin Laden families is NOT the same thing as proving that Osama bin Laden was W's business partner. In fact, if he was, the graph you've provided would show a direct line between W and Osama. You've just disproved your own claim, dude. Again.

I studied the "Business Plot" in undergraduate school and I had never heard Prescott Bush was involved with it in any way, shape or form until you claimed so. In fact, a search of the Wikipedia entry for the "Business Plot" shows no mention of Prescott Bush, nor was he ever mentioned by the McCormack Dickstein Committee.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot?wasRedirected=true

As usual, I've saved the best for last. In post 159 of the following thread, you can see where I posted a number of links in which I had called for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of Bush and Cheney. In posts from you in the same thread, it's obvious that you issued false denials, despite being confronted with evidence in black and white. I'll even excerpt one post so there will be no question in the mind of readers.

SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-19-09 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. Excuse me, but what is a "facist"?
Edited on Sun Jul-19-09 02:12 PM by SDuderstadt
Someone who makes faces? I think you mean "fascist".

With all due respect, your "reasoning" process is backwards. Instead of looking at the evidence and working forward to conclusions, you decide that, since the Bush admin was guilty (of whatever), all evidence must point in that direction.

I, on the other hand, think we need to pursue indictment, prosecution and conviction of Bush/Cheney for their actions after 9/11. When you develop actual evidence of either LIHOP or MIHOP, I'll gladly sign on.

In the meantime, the really funny thing is you want a "new investigation by credible people who have full powers of government investigation at their disposal to get to the bottom of what really occured". The irony, of course, is that would be the, um, government. In the meantime, do you know anything at all about Richard Ben-Veniste, Bob Kerrey, Jamie Gorelick, Lee Hamilton or Tim Roemer? BTW, you don't interview a "principle", you interview a "principal".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=294054#295596

Now, in the posts in and around that, the reader can easily see not only where you issued false denials even when you were confronted with black and white evidence; they can also see where you stupidly tried to move the goalposts to something I did not claim. It'll be fun to watch you try to wriggle out of this, dude. If you were a man of your word, as you claim, you'd also apologize. I won't hold my breath.

As I indicated earlier, I'm not going to waste all day with you on this, so, unless you have something new to add to this, I'm rather content to just watch you flail all about, dude.

Too funny.

[Octafish]

72. Nothing there for me to feel ashamed of, sduderstadt. And I'm looking forward to Waikiki.

I've got three words for you.

[SDuderstadt]

73. Dude...

I just showed three of your factual inaccuracies, which you cannot refute, or you would, so you try to change the subject, just like you always do when you get your ass kicked.

BTW, what "three words" are you referring to? Why so opaque, dude?

[Octafish]

75. Apart from your opinion, sduderstadt, there is nothing there to refute.

As for the three words, you once asked me for what I thought.

[SDuderstadt]

77. "Nothing there to refute"

More of your bullshit, dude...you're just running away from the debate like you usually do, especially when you're confronted with black and white evidence you are dead wrong about something.

In the meantime, why not just say the "three words"? Or, would it be a violation of DU rules? No one really cares if you waste money or time at Osanic's circle jerk.

[zappaman]

88. More Bloviation, my friend

You have claimed on numerous posts that Bush and Bin Laden were business partners.
Yet, you can't back it up.
Why not simply admit you mispoke, my good friend?

[SDuderstadt]

89. Fat chance, dude...

Octafish has run away from the debate, just like he does every time he gets his ass kicked on the facts.

Too funny.

[Rex]

96. Run away? Are you mad?

Are you ill? Are you under hypnosis? Octafish just asked you to prove him wrong and you did not and cannot. Why not try him with fact that you have instead of making stuff up?

[SDuderstadt]

97. I did it in black and white...

did you even read my post, dude?

Too funny.

[MrMickeysMom]

104. Again?

I can almost count that by the 5th string of the thread, you'll jump in and help this misinformed individual, starting always with the word, "bloviation", or "bloviate".

I find this hilariously predictable. Do you two work as a team?

:rofl:

[zappaman]

110. Yes, isn't it?

The NWO who are partnered with BUSHCO pay us to work in tandem!
Or it could be 2 people who don't like to read lies and "facts" that are actually just made up.
:rofl:

[MrMickeysMom]

112. That was very Sarah of you, zappaman...

.... simply shaking that finger fer "making things up!" :rofl:

[Rex]

99. Too funny that you produced nothing.

Come on! If you call the man out, at least hit him with facts! You are whining about your personal life and that IS FUNNY!

[SDuderstadt]

102. Read post # 73...

dude.

[H2O Man]

66. Time to "put up" .......

[SDuderstadt]

71. Be careful what you ask for, dude...

See post # 70.

[H2O Man]

76. Yes, I read it,

"dude." Still waiting.

[SDuderstadt]

79. Well...

you can wait with Octadude. I just provided three clear examples of his false claims.

[H2O Man]

81. Ha!

When you call someone out, and they request you take your best shot, you have to produce. When you resort to ruffling your feathers, you must expect people to laugh at you.

And when you pull some silly "dude" bit out of your backsides, and then go lower with name-calling, you can't expect any respect.

[SDuderstadt]

82. Please point to any name...

I called anyone.

Another false claim. Why am I not surprised?

[H2O Man]

84. Post 79

Please. That was too easy. If you invest this much energy in shadowing a DUer, you need to bring something. Make this more fun, more competitive. Get the weak crap out of here.

[SDuderstadt]

86. Oh, please...

that is not name-calling. Name-calling is calling someone "stupid" or an "idiot".

You guys are hysterical.

[Rex]

98. Actually we are all laughing at you.

Keep up the fun stuff. Not like you can prove him wrong...that would require you to TRY. Please try and refute what Octafish says with facts.

Thanks. :hi:

[SDuderstadt]

103. Too funny...n/t

[Rex]

94. So you support the BFEE or think the did nothing wrong and should

walk free? Jus askin...

[SDuderstadt]

101. No, dude...

if you'd bother to read the entire thread, you'd know that I've called for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of both Bush and Cheney, dude.

Welcome to DU's shoot-first, ask-questions-later brigade.

Too funny.

[MrMickeysMom]

105. You are HILARIOUS!

[Rex]

107. Funny how that has nothing to do with refuting Octafish

I guess when you lose as much against him as you do, you really just start whining and posting funny stuff.

Dude. You are funny! :dunce:

[SDuderstadt]

114. It was his third false claim...

dude.

Duh.

[Octafish]

115. ''As I indicated earlier, I'm not going to waste all day with you on this.'' -- sduderstadt

Here it is, more than 13 hours later, and you're still hard at it. Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

142. Funny how...

you totally ignore the 2 four hour+ breaks w/no posts to create the false impression I'd posted for 13 hours straight.

Of course, we've come not to expect facts and accuracy from you, dude.

Too funny.

[SDuderstadt]

117. You don't seem to comprehend the definition of...

"you", dude. Besides, you already ran away from your false claims.

Too funny.

[Octafish]

118. Count your posts from yesterday and you've devoted more than 24 hours to this thread, sduderstadt.

What are you trying to accomplish? Funny is right. Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

120. Dude...

I see. Now you think you know how long it takes to write one post??

I think you would have written more posts, but, of course, you ran away. I'll just watch you flailing away, dude.

[Octafish]

123. Interesting observation and wrong, sduderstadt.

Since when do I answer to you? Never. Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

125. Flail...

away, dude.

Too funny.

[Octafish]

127. What a profound thing to say, sduderstadt.

Again, nothing about "Jail Bush." Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

129. Well...

maybe you can start your own website and control all the content. In the meantime, I guess you'll just have to tolerate others of us pointing out your false claims, dude.

Too funny.

[Octafish]

131. You've still failed to add a single post to help 'Jail Bush,' sduderstadt.

And you've still failed to point out where I posted a "false claim." Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

140. Your denial borders on...

pathological, dude. It's rather silly of you to claim I have never called for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of Bush and Cheney when it's proven to you in black and white, dude. I even bolded it for you and you're still making false claims, when a "man of his word" would have simply admitted his mistake and, perhaps, even apologized.

Beyond that, you've undermined your silly claim that Osama bin Laden and W were "business partners" and, as I stated earlier, you have zero proof that Prescott Bush was connected to the "Business Plot", except the allegations of a single source that provides no corroboration for his allegation.

I certainly hope you don't waste nearly five decades of your life on this issue like you have on the JFK assassination. Maybe you should take up coin collecting instead.

[Octafish]

143. Thank you for your concern, sduderstadt. So, why don't you contribute information to help jail Bush?

For all your bluster and fury, you have yet to add anything on this or any other thread I can find that would help bring about putting Bush in jail, sduderstadt.

Since you haven't, I've tried to do your work for you, using GOOGLE and DU advanced search. Lo, there is not even a single thread you've started or reply you've added that would help shed light on why Bush should be in jail -- not one.

That's why I've asked you to start a DU Journal where it's easy to see your contributions. But you haven't. And that is that while you may say you want Bush in jail, there is nothing by you to show for it. Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

145. More of your bullshit...

dude. In several of the posts that you stupidly denied existed, I laid out a number of reasons why. Please don't make me embarrass you further by posting them again. Similarly, what benefit do you think would come from wasting time lobbying for Bush's incarceration on a liberal discussion board? Do you honestly believe you need to convince our fellow DUers??

Do you honestly believe that people with the power to actually PUT Bush in jail cruise DU looking for justification?? "Hey, that Octafish guy is making a compelling case for putting Bush in jail! We should swing into action!". I don't think they're impressed with your vanity posts, dude. For the record, neither am I.

What are you doing in the REAL world, dude? Do you think attending Osanic's circle jerk is going to get you guys any closer to blowing the lid off the JFK assassination? Similarly, do you think your bloviation here does one thing to put Bush behind bars?

Too funny.

[Octafish]

146. That really wasn't my intention for starting the thread, sduderstadt. I want to see Bush prosecuted.

Most Americans don't read DU or even hear on the news about Bush's various crimes and treason. Thus I post on DU what I consider useful information.

As for your contributions, let alone facts and accuracy, let's take a look at a post in September 2010 that you have so often referred to on this and other threads of mine:

Spam all you want, sduderstadt. You still have yet to post anything in support of your contention.

Neither do you post a single iota of evidence in support of what you say frequently:

And I believe openly calling for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of W would qualify as criticizing the "Bush Crime Family", dude... -- S Duderstadt

The thing is: Saying something doesn't make it so. It's just your words -- what sduderstadt wrote.

I visited each thread you so kindly found, waded through each of your posts, including scores of tedious "prove its", and found that you have still failed to provide any evidence to support your contention. In hundreds of replies, you posted five links and I visited each.

Two links, neither of which has anything to do with demonstrating how much you want to see Bush on trial:

http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=3747920

http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom/burden.html


The third links to a 9-11 professional grade debunker site:

http://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__9_11_and__2_3_trilli.html


The fourth and fifth went to the same military site:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44199


All your sources went to sites having nothing to do with the treasons, corruptions and criminality of George Walker Bush. Thus, while you may say it, you have still failed to show anything that would help bring "the indictment, prosecution and conviction of W" about.

Not even one link.

Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

148. Dude...

you've just admitted that I DID call for the indictment, prosecution and conviction of Bush and Cheney, despite your false claim that I didn't. Did you notice that?? Of course, then you stupidly try to move the goalposts by claiming "I didn't do enough (paraphrase)"!

Flail away, dude. Too funny.

[Octafish]

150. So what? The point is all you do is talk. You provide nothing to help bring it about, sduderstadt.

Bringing it about is why I started this thread. That is why DUers post information to help bring it about. That is why I post on DU. And, as always, you may say you are all for bringing it about, you fail to provide anything to help do so.

[SDuderstadt]

152. Dude...

again I ask. What do your vanity posts here do to bring it about? What do you do about it in the real world? How do you know what I do in the real world? Hint: you don't.

There's a reason I refer to the nonsense you spread here as "vanity posts". What do you think it is? Hint:look at your totally ineffective, nearly five decade long campaign to blow the lid off the JFK assassination. Can you guys really offer some good reason for your failure other than your own utter fecklessness?

[Octafish]

156. I'll never give up investigating the assassinations of JFK, MLK and RFK, sduderstadt.

Why you feel it's a waste of time is your business.

[SDuderstadt]

157. You make Don Quixote proud...

dude. Have you ever noticed that advances in science have validated the WCR?

Again, can you point to any concrete progress you've made in "solving" an already solved assassination? Does it give your life meaning to insist that the overwhelming evidence against Oswald is going to magically crumble, rather than continue to strengthen as it has? Simple question: after nearly five decades of flailing about, what do you have to show for it?

Too funny, dude.

[H2O Man]

139. That stands out.

In a sense, I don't have a dog in this fight. I am open to hearing both sides of the debate. But there doesn't seem to be the other side our friend has both promised and threatened to provide.

There are times when you and I have disagreed. Always respectfully, always with each of us providing the information that we base our opinion/conclusions on.

This fellow appears to be shadowing you, without any interest in a discussion or a debate. Just insults. From a position where he believes the word "dude" has the power to do something besides define himself. Petty stuff.

But, again, what stands out is the amount of time invested in the petty nothingness of that shadow.

[Ghost in the Machine]

158. Replying to yourself, telling yourself you've run away??

Yeah, that is too funny, dude. Maybe you should take a break for a bit, we wouldn't want to see you go into a total meltdown...

[MasonJar]

108. IT HAS NOT BEEN DEBUNKED.

[SDuderstadt]

109. To conspiracists...

nothing is ever debunked.

Too funny.

[Octafish]

119. To people who care about the truth, they don't care what others call them, sduderstadt.

And to those who give a damn about this country, they don't care to be told when to "shut up."

[SDuderstadt]

121. No one told you to...

"shut up", dude.

Another one of your stupid strawman arguments.

[Octafish]

122. Really? You've devoted all your posts on this thread to sidetrack discussion, sduderstadt

The OP is titled "Jail Bush."

What have you added to help accomplish that?

Nothing. Dude. As always.

[SDuderstadt]

124. Dude...

I can't understand why facts and accuracy don't matter to you. As far as your efforts to jail Bush, if your track record in the JFK assassination is any gauge, we're in for multiple decades of watching you flail about.

[Octafish]

126. Can I expect you to monitor me for decades, sduderstadt?

Is that why you're looking for the thread with DUers' pictures?

[SDuderstadt]

128. Dude...

does your paranoia know any limits? Sounds like you're "monitoring" me, dude.

Too funny.

[Octafish]

132. I would never follow you, sduderstadt.

It's not a matter of having nothing in common. It's a question of leadership.

[SDuderstadt]

138. What does "monitoring" have to do with...

"following" or "leadership"??

Too funny.

[Octafish]

147. I don't find anything funny or informative about your posts, sduderstadt.

And, to no avail, I've tried to find something in them worth reading.

[SDuderstadt]

149. No one cares if you do...

dude.

[Octafish]

151. That must be why you've spent so much time following what I post, sduderstadt.

Which is creepy. Dude.

[SDuderstadt]

153. Nope...

I think it's necessary to expose your false claims, dude. Why do you think you've struck out so much trying to make a difference? How in the world can anyone make progress on bringing Bush to justice when your caricatures and Kabuki theater keep getting in the way of any credibility we might have?

Too funny.

[Octafish]

154. That contradicts what you just wrote, sduderstadt.

Up there, in Reply 149: "No one cares if you do...dude."

Don't fret, I understand. Following where you are on this thread can be very confusing -- and time consuming.

[SDuderstadt]

155. Dude...

can you follow simple sentences? You said you didn't find what I write valuable or funny.

In exposing your false claims, I ain't writing for you, dude. How you see a "contradiction" in that is just emblematic of your fecklessness, dude.

Too funny.

[udbcrzy2]

9. I agree. He among others should be prosecuted

I don't understand why they don't prosecute him, among others. Our laws are not worth the paper they are written on if those in authority don't uphold them. I'm really fed up with all this crap - the Bush administration and then the banksters too.

[Octafish]

130. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Curveball and a whole bunch more.

Sy Hersh pegged the phony WMD crew, way back when:

Selective Intelligence: Donald Rumsfeld has his own special sources. Are they reliable?

Traitorous warmongers need to be brought to justice.

[flvegan]

3. Gather a list

of the folks in power willing to do so.

You'll be able to count them on one hand (at least in this country). The word is complicit. The whole lot of them.

[Octafish]

7. Can understand why: Politicians who point it out end up losing elections or worse.

There have been those leaders and officials who aren't on the national stage, though. Remember the retired CIA types during the Plame Affair?

[spacelady]

4. This guy really bothers me too. The way he has skated through

everything, leaving an obvious path of total destruction. Smirking like he KNOWS he is safe from any consequences. Your posts about the events leading up to the era of this bloviating idiot's reign are scary in revealing the long term, methodical planning that made it possible. Thank you for your research.

[Octafish]

10. Right now the War Party holds sway in the United States.

Perhaps, soon, the nation will return to one of law.



George Bush issued travel warning by human rights organisations

PS: A reminder of what we were becoming:

I realize that there are some businessmen who feel only they want to be left alone, that Government and politics are none of their affairs, that the balance sheet and profit rate of their own corporation are of more importance than the worldwide balance of power or the Nationwide rate of unemployment. But I hope it is not rushing the season to recall to you the passage from Dickens' "Christmas Carol" in which Ebenezer Scrooge is terrified by the ghosts of his former partner, Jacob Marley, and Scrooge, appalled by Marley's story of ceaseless wandering, cries out, "But you were always a good man of business, Jacob." And the ghost of Marley, his legs bound by a chain of ledger books and cash boxes, replied, "Business? Mankind was my business. The common welfare was my business. Charity, mercy, forbearance and benevolence were all my business. The dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!"

Members and guests of the Florida State Chamber of Commerce, whether we work in the White House or the State House or in a house of industry or commerce, mankind is our business. And if we work in harmony, if we understand the problems of each other and the responsibilities that each of us bears, then surely the business of mankind will prosper. And your children and mine will move ahead in a securer world, and one in which there is opportunity for them all.

-- President John F. Kennedy, Florida Chamber of Commerce, November 18th, 1963

PPS: SpaceLady: You've got the coolest name in the Cosmos. Infinite thanks for your kind words.

PPPS: May we return to that path, my Friend.

[spacelady]

12. Those words resonate, don't they?

You post some of the most eerie stuff, in that I always felt these things were happening, but the original sources pointing out the truth were lost to time & propaganda & cover-up. This is where your effort is so important - I have learned so much from your writings.

PPS: thanks for the smile, it beamed me up!

PPS: How outrageous do you think it will have to get before this cycle ends?

[Webster Green]

5. Fucking mass murdering piece of shit mutherfucker!

All his fellow thugs need to be locked up with him.

Cheney, Rummy, Wolfy, Gonzo, Yoo, and all the rest. :grr:

[Octafish]

13. Just for Iraq...Bush has Killed a Million Innocent People for Their Oil.

Know your BFEE: Bush has Killed a Million Innocent People for Their Oil.

I know we need the stuff, but we can obtain it through peaceful means. That's how Democracies are supposed to do it, anyway -- ask any college kid in the world who speaks Arabic.

[jotsy]

53. Oh no, no, no WG!

Think about them serving life sentences cleaning up oil and dispersant in New Orleans! No protective gear though, I'm sure Rummy would understand...allocation issues, he hid behind them well enough.

[Mojeoux]

106. I like that a lot of the Tea Baggers are ready to throw him under the bus.

Their reasons are different than ours but that place where the far far right and the far far left meet, we agree on the opinion the Bush is a murderous foolish douche.

[RandomThoughts]

6. Thats a taunt picture.

[Octafish]

15. I see what you mean.

Scalia and Thomas May Have Conflict in Campaign Finance Cases

[Angry Dragon]

11. How about instead of arrest and jail

if everyone, at any time, could just walk up to him and just give a great big slap??
FOREVER

[Octafish]

16. Interesting suggestion -- I'd prefer the Stocks, set up in front of the men's room at DFW.

The Archy Slap

[lonestarnot]

45. certainly never give that fucker any peace! I would like to be a mosquito please.

[Kaleva]

14. How? Too few are interested in even investigating him.

Those who want him in jail have failed miserably in convincing enough others that Bush and other members of his Administration have committed war crimes and ought to face justice.

[Octafish]

17. Exactly. That's why Corporate McPravda is worth every penny to the War Party.

In addition to freak shows, side shows and shiny things 24/7, the Press Corpse is paid to miss the point.


Professional Liar by susan m hinckley.

Three Things Every American Should Know About Corporate McPravda

And that's where DU comes in...

[Kokonoe]

19. But, hes the president mann. n/t

:puke:

[Octafish]

28. ''When the president does it, that means that it's not illegal.''

Sen. Richard M. Nixon eyes Sen. Prescott Bush.

[LawnKorn]

20. K&R

[Octafish]

49. Thousands of Americans and a million innocent Iraqis and Afghanis demand it.

There is no good reason for these wars.

[Countdown_3_2_1]

21. Democratic Leadership decided not to pursue charges

Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Leadership decided not to pursue charges.
I wish people would stop obsessing over things that will not happen.

Bottom line. No one in current leadership will prosecute. (I think they are afraid of civil war.
If you want it to happen run primary challenges with people who will make it happen. Make it an election promise.

[Octafish]

57. I may be ''obsessing,'' but Justice demands it.

Something else I've obsessed about since 22 November 1963.

Regarding the primaries: Good idea.

[Imagevision]

22. Obama says lets go forward and not look back, but - in order to know where your at you

have to know how you got there!

[Octafish]

61. That's what Winston Smith was all about.

Background information on newspeak and the road map to tyranny.

[Ghost in the Machine]

23. K&R!

[Octafish]

67. Indict. Impeach. Imprison.

That path was not chosen. Instead, the nation continues to careen along on the low road. We know where that will take us -- war and ruin.

Thank you for an excellent graphic, Ghost in the Machine! Somehow it's multi-dimensional, needed to show the banality of evil and the cluelessness of idiots.

[tomp]

26. well, yeah, of course. but...

...now can you tell us how to make it happen.

also, as far as i'm concerned, obama and holder are now complicit and need to be charged as accessories after the fact, for failure to prosecute known crimes of great magnitude, with public confessions available (torture and wiretapping)

[Octafish]

74. We've tried voting them out.

We've tried shaming them out.
We've tried exposing them out.
And the stain remains.

Perhaps there's a lesson for us from the Scottish play? Treason, witchcraft, ghosts, a space-time continuum gone amuk...Who or what saved the nation?

[tomp]

141. you mean Macbeth?

if so I'll have to review to see if i think it is applicable (although Shakespeare always seems applicable to something). i was thinking more of Egypt than Scotland.

[ensho]

30. agree

nt

[Octafish]

78. We the People voted for peace, and yet war remains. Is this or is this not a Democracy?

That is at the heart of the issue: We the People voted for justice, and yet the man chiefly responsible for leading the nation into two illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous wars remains unnaccountable.

Same thing happened when his father was president.

[robertpaulsen]

31. K & R! Jail Bush and his whole criminal administration.

:kick:

[Octafish]

80. Which one?

From 1992, by Gary Trudeau. :hi:

[robertpaulsen]

90. I've never seen this!

Thanks for sharing a classic with me. :hi:

[Octafish]

91. Check this out...

Sorry I didn't get these to you sooner. It's an online archive: Lies Of Our Times. The magazines are in PDF form. One DUer who visited there said his or her computer had a warning show up, but that hasn't happened to me or been reported by anyone else.

Back when they were on the newsstand, Newsweek and TIME went out of their way to slam LOOT -- articles are by Parenti, Chomsky, Simpson and other greats.

IMFO, they should be downloaded for personal records and distributed far and wide. History shows who was telling the truth and who was standing with whom. And I'm honored to still stand with You, my Friend.

[robertpaulsen]

95. No warning, takes some time to download, but they look AMAZING!

Thank you so much for sharing these with me, Octafish. I will definitely read and share these!

[guardian]

32. Never too late

to do the right thing.

[Octafish]

85. Especially when it comes to traitors, war criminals and warmongers.

Bush and Cheney are all three.

[BlueIris]

33. But, but it's so important to let the neocons keep their dignity!!

Without that, people might think certain Democrats, you know, care about ending war and poverty. We can't have that! It would hurt their reelection chances.

:sarcasm: Sort of.

[Octafish]

87. That so many can't make a distinction is baffling.

Many today were raised on Reagan. In addition to underfunding public education, the Mighty Corporate McPravda Wurlitzer blares the benefits of the free market 24/7. The fact the Media Monopoly is owned and operated by the swell and mighty small crowd of economic "winners" who seem always to have benefited from government since the time of Reagan gets largely missed. What New Deal for the 21st Century?

[Blue Owl]

34. and his brain, too

(Karl Rove, aka public enemy #1...)

[Octafish]

116. Who runs Lobbytown? Smirko runs Lobbytown.

Thanks for the inspiration, Blue Owl.

[Blue Owl]

144. ha -- very nice!

good work...

[Generic Other]

35. A poster I made to sum up my feelings

Hope you don't mind my trotting out this old poster I made. I have vowed never to let up on those warmongers until they are brought to justice.

[Raster]

44. That is now my desktop at work. Thank you!

[Octafish]

133. That's beautiful.

It's not a dream come true, but would be reality were this a nation of law.

[Disintermedia8]

37. never gets old

[Octafish]

134. George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of “Counter-Terrorism”

Well. I'm worried.

George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of “Counter-Terrorism”

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan-Bush era yields valuable information on how counter-terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush’s power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.

By Christopher Simpson
CAIB 58

During the Reagan years, George Bush used “crisis management” and “counter-terrorism” as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.

Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran-Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the “foreign policy president,” while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.

The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America’s convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.

The Reagan-era National Security Council (NSC) used NSDDs to formulate high-level policy on political and military matters. The directives ranged from presidential orders for testing nuclear weapons to negotiating strategies for US representatives at various international summits.

Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush’s role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.

CONTINUED...

http://books.google.com/books?id=YZqRyj_QXf8C&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=%22the+uses+of+%27counterterrorism%27%22+%22christopher+simpson%22&source=bl&ots=8klB4QyvO_&sig=lERTKv67PPVixMDQPQ6c1T8CPjk&hl=en&ei=UD1WTZ31OIWugQe2u9GvDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22the%20uses%20of%20%27counterterrorism%27%22%20%22christopher%20simpson%22&f=false

Government service as cash cow.

[butterfly77]

38. K&R!

[Octafish]

135. ''Corruption in a public office is treason.'' -- Adlai Stevenson, Jr. (D-Illinois)

These guys know their stuff. And if weren't for the independent socialist Bernie Sanders, we'd never know: FED Made $9 Trillion in Emergency Overnight Loans. Of course, connected Military Industrial Intel complex connected cronies got the great deals. Thanks, Bernie!

[musette_sf]

39. K to the R Mr Octa!

Keep on keeping on, NGU.

[Ilsa]

40. It would be funny if someone walked up to him in the bookstore

And handed him a bill for the two wars.

Okay, not funny, but interesting to see his reaction.

[Octafish]

55. Bush at the Bookstore

Thank you, Ilsa, for reminding me of what people would see:
A tinpot dictator with a five-gallon hat on a half-pint head,
the little turd from Crawford.



Gen Pinochet at the Bookstore

Santiago, Chile, July 2004

The general’s limo parked at the corner of San Diego street
and his bodyguard escorted him to the bookstore
called La Oportunidad, so he could browse
for rare works of history.

There were no bloody fingerprints left on the pages.
No books turned to ash at his touch.
He did not track the soil of mass graves on his shoes,
nor did his eyes glow red with a demon’s heat.

Worse: His hands were scrubbed, and his eyes were blue,
and the dementia that raged in his head like a demon,
making the general’s trial impossible, had disappeared.

Desaparecido: like thousands dead but not dead,
as the crowd reminded the general,
gathered outside the bookstore to jeer
when he scurried away with his bodyguards,
so much smaller in person.

-- Martín Espada

[malaise]

58. I love your threads

Kick

[Overseas]

64. Great poem and image. Thank you. //nt

[MrMickeysMom]

113. I'd pay to see his reaction, Ilsa

... though it would only be a penny for his thoughts...

[midnight]

41. Justice is slow.....

[Octafish]

137. Truth is forever...

Here's an excellent article on how we got to where we are today (please scroll down a bit):

George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of “Counter-Terrorism”

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan-Bush era yields valuable information on how counter-terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush’s power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.

By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly Number 58

EXCERPT...

NSDD 3 CRISIS MANAGEMENT

(CONFIDENTIAL, SANITIZED VERSION), DEC. 14,1981

When the Reagan administration began, Secretary of State Alexander Haig tried to write a large “crisis management role for himself into draft presidential orders. Bush and NSC Adviser Richard Allen blocked the maneuver.

After Reagan was wounded in an assassination attempt in early 1981, Bush engineered NSC approval for an interagency crisis management committee that reported to him. The working assumption was that Reagan would leave the difficult decisions to Bush and the NSC, which would assume de facto presidential powers during a crisis, including the authority to wage war or to declare martial law.

Haig, who was on the NSC, later wrote that he first learned of the vice president’s move from a newspaper report.

The Crisis Management Group was the first of a series of names for a senior deputies’ committee through which the vice president handled crisis management, covert operations, and particularly sensitive foreign policy initiatives. Later names for substantially the same committee included the Special Situations Group, Crisis Pre-Planning Group, Planning and Coordinating Group, and the Policy Review Group.

CONTINUED...

http://books.google.com/books?id=YZqRyj_QXf8C&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=%22the+uses+of+%27counterterrorism%27%22+%22christopher+simpson%22&source=bl&ots=8klB4QyvO_&sig=lERTKv67PPVixMDQPQ6c1T8CPjk&hl=en&ei=UD1WTZ31OIWugQe2u9GvDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22the%20uses%20of%20%27counterterrorism%27%22%20%22christopher%20simpson%22&f=false

May the truth serve to hasten the day justice returns to the United States of America.

[on point]

42. Numerous crimes foreign and domestic

War crimes (attack o Iraq), crimes against humanity (torture), corruption (literally PALLETS of money for for his cronies), violation of american law (targeting attorney generals for not supporting repuke elections), not to mention lying to American People over the war in Iraq, lying to congress and I am sure there are many I have forgotten to mention.

BTW, there is a world of difference between going after Bush for the crimes and fascist techniques he used, vs the delusional made up nonsense of the wingnuts.

[Raster]

43. Hi from the National Village Idiot!

Throw your shoe - I'll catch it!

[patrice]

46. IF there is something that can actually be called "one nation" called America, this will happen. nt

[jotsy]

47. Hope I haven't bothered you w/ this blurb before...

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7859817&mesg_id=7861222>

Rec'd it early this morning.

[Octafish]

56. Bookmarked.

Thank you for sharing your journal, jotsy. These are the hardest and cruelest of times in a nation largely run by traitors. Despite it, You are amazing.

[burrowowl]

51. I think he would look

lovely in an on orange jumpsuit, a little solitary confinement would not hurt either.

[akbacchus_BC]

52. Get off your high horse, your current president is prevailing those

two invasions with no end to retreat.

[Overseas]

65. K&R ! Yes Please !! //nt

[Hubert Flottz]

83. Too late to R but,

:kick:

[Zax2me]

92. Not gonna happen.

And he'll keep smiling.
And we'll keep picking up the tab.
At this point, the best we can do is point to him as he walks about.
Teach.
See that?
That is what happens when you don't vote.

[Rex]

93. GWB will end up in jail, just not in our country.

To think that only America has laws is pathetic, good luck with your future life asshole. I think there are three countries you can travel to now. Talk to Henry, he knows.

[bdamomma]

100. egyptians ousted their dictator

and this SOB is still walking around free in the US what a bitch!!!!

[Canuckistanian]

111. K&R

A couple days late, but the cause is worthy.

[upi402]

136. Never forget

never relent