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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:27 AM
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Why Do Girls Love Horses, Unicorns And Dolphins?
Why Do Girls Love Horses, Unicorns And Dolphins?

People have long speculated about why girls love horses, according to Peggy Orenstein, author of Cinderella Ate My Daughter: Dispatches from the Front Lines of the New Girlie-Girl Culture.

By identifying with these dynamic, strong animals, Orenstein says, girls are expressing their own power.

"They're all active, they're all sources of power and motion and transformation," she says.

Laurel Braitman, an MIT graduate student in the history of science who writes about animals and what we think about them, says girls' fascination with these animals is more than power — the animals fuel girls' imaginations.

"Horses and dolphins and unicorns — these are all borderland creatures; gateway animals to other worlds," she says. "They help us imagine wonderful other ways of being in the world. They let us be cowgirls and oceanographers and mermaids and princesses."

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/09/133600424/why-do-girls-love-horses-unicorns-and-dolphins?ps=cprs
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:31 AM
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1. because they're beautiful creatures
majestic, intelligent, strong with the exception of unicorns (we all know they don't exist).
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RocketTuna Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:52 AM
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10. They do SO exist!!
:D
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:45 AM
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30. Welcome to DU, RocketTuna!
:hi:
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:15 PM
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48. "Majestic, intelligent, strong..." That's all subjective. Eye of the beholder stuff.
I wouldn't associate "majestic" with horses, but that's just me. Everyone's mileage varies, as they say. To me, horses just remind me of horseshit.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:17 PM
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49. And why are teenage girls attracted to vampires? Why are boys
attracted to stupid shit like playing "army" and beating the living fuck out of one another?

It's all conditioning, and how you respond to that conditioning.
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ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:31 AM
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2. cowgirls and oceanographers and mermaids and princesses
interesting mix of "occupations" for imaginative young women
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:07 PM
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47. My daughter currently alternates among 3 of the 4
And I'm pretty sure at one point she was a cowgirl mermaid princess.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:31 AM
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3. Unicorns. Dolphins. Why not Narwhals?
:shrug:
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:35 AM
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5. Fuck Yeah! Narwhals!
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 07:41 AM by Teaser
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:43 AM
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8. NARWHAL!
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:31 AM
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26. Why not Narwhals, indeed.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:32 AM
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4. Well, the "gateway to other worlds" theory would explain
...my daughter's fascination with trash cans and putting things in them. :shrug:

She's nearly 2, and also is drawn to horses, dinosaurs, and Harry Belafonte. I'll have a unifying theory on all that any day now. :D
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:45 AM
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18. lol. Our little creatures are strange indeed. nt
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:37 AM
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6. and mermaids...
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Zephie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:38 AM
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7. I was a strange child, I always loved hawks best
Still do actually, they're just so majestic. I was always offended as a kid by the negative portrayal of birds of prey in childrens cartoons featuring animals.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:45 AM
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9. That's ok, you're a strange adult as well
;)
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:55 AM
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11. Because they taste like Rainbows.
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MgtPA Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:59 AM
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12. Don't forget Pegasus. The scene from Fantasia with the flying horses was my daughter's favorite when
she was about 6.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:12 AM
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13. no to princesses. i asked niece, whats gonna happen when prince charming does not appear. how are
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 08:13 AM by seabeyond
you gonna take care of self.

doctor.
lawyer.... yea

no to princess.

3 yrs old, she didnt get it.

my niece is teaching my great niece how to be coy, and pose, and be a princess.

rollin eyes.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:20 AM
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14. lol... don't laugh, but I love pigs
well... all animals,but especially pigs.
my sister loves wolves.
yeah- we're weird.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:21 AM
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15. it was charolettes web, wasnt it. lol nt
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:24 AM
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16. I like bacon and ham, so I guess I love pigs too
:evilgrin:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:27 AM
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65. "Thank you. Thank you very much." - Rush DraftDodger Limbaugh (R)
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:02 AM
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29. OMG!!! Are we related???
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 10:03 AM by pipi_k
I love pigs too!

And wolves! In fact, last year (and this year too) I "adopted" a wolf from Wolf Hollow in Ipswich Mass.

His name is "Bear" and I get updated photos of him. I chose him because he looks so much like one of my own German Shepherds.

He's on this page...


http://www.wolfhollowipswich.org/wolves.htm


For your sis if she would like to adopt one :)

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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:41 AM
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17. For my little girl, I would add seahorses, eggs
and catapillars...
As to an egg (which, even at 7, is anything round), I have no idea but she has ostrich eggs, fake dinsosaur eggs and a hardboiled egg from 4 years ago.
Odd that one.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:54 AM
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19. Well, it's safer, for one thing, than football, guns, and motorcycles. nt
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:57 AM
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20. They also represent freedom. Get on a horse and GO.
Everything else ties us down.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:08 AM
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21. My daughter loves her troll dolls.
What can that mean? :shrug:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:10 AM
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22. That she has a future in being a troll on a message board?
:rofl:
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:12 AM
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23. Not I--I prefered my bicycle.

One sister and two female cousins were horse-crazy; I didn't get the horse gene.



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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:15 PM
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41. +1. I liked to look at them and read books about them but don't remember
wanting one of my own. I never really understood the infatuation with horses, anymore than I understood the infatuation with vampires a little later on. Now horse vampires, that would have been interesting... }(
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:21 PM
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44. Now, vampires I liked as an adolescent. Only one I knew of then was Dracula. nt
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:18 AM
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24. I loved horses as a kid and dinosaurs
Unicorns and pegasi weren't very common back then, so while I was aware of them in mythology, they didn't do much for me. I didn't think that much about dolphins either, at least not until I was older, in my late 30s, and got to swim with them down in Florida. Now my 8 year old daughter on the other hand loves all those animals and many more besides. Heck, her bed has so many stuffed animals in it that she winds up using them for pillows half the time. Manatees, giraffes, guinea pigs - she loves them all. LOL!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:24 AM
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25. I listened to the NPR story on that book.
I found it almost disturbing how sensitive kids are to gender expectations.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:27 PM
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37. I had a discussion with my mom
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 12:28 PM by hyphenate
About some of that stuff. I reminded her that as a kid, I hated dolls and all that "female" crap. In fact, pink is one of the colors I most hate, especially baby pink.

I watched a lot of TV, and one of the things I remember wanting most was a lion--because I was in love with Daktari and Clarence the Cross-Eyed Lion.

My mom had gotten me a fairly expensive stroller when I was about 9--I dumped it in an alley close to the house, and told her I had "lost" it.

I told mom that if I had had kids, I would have made sure they had lots and lots of stimulation, and would never be subjected to gender-specific toys and games, that I'd get the kids interested in things like legos, or lincoln logs, or things to build and grow. Mom protested by saying those were toys for "boys." I told her that was exactly the point--why should girls be saddled with the mommy toys, and boys could get anything they wanted? I told her that was what we were trying to do away with--the stuff that only boys could have, that maybe girls wanted to do, too.

I had my time with horses, cows, sheep, pigs, and chickens on my grandparents' farm. All I wanted was a kitty.

I do prefer pegasi to unicorns, though. Pegasi fly--unicorns are for virgins. I don't qualify. ;)
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EyeofRamen Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:39 AM
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27. Cowboys, mermaids and princesses?
OK... oceanographers are cool. And so are cowGIRLS (it's kind of hard for an anatomical female to be a cowBOY, but I digress).

I'm sorry, but I don't remember ever wanting to be a mermaid or a princess and this new fad of "princess this" and "princess that" is concerning to me as I watch my toddler girl fall prey to advertiser/peer pressure whims. :( (FWIW, I can control some of the things she sees on TV, but I can't control all of the things her little Mommy's Day Out buddies bring up).
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:55 AM
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28. Mice...
Well, one mouse in particular...




He was my hero, and I used to daydream about him saving me from all sorts of scary situations.


At the age of 6, he was my second love after a cute little boy with big brown eyes and black hair who didn't pay attention to me...

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CRK7376 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:13 AM
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31. My 12 yo daughter
loves horses and dolphins. For awhile there her nickname was divadolphin....She wants to be a Veterenarian. Her main passion these days seems to be trying to outride her 17yo brother on their Treks....Son has had mild concussion from a stupid jump. Daughter has knocked wind out of herself attemping jumps. They will learn to be less reckless, but will lose more skin and pride while learning the hard way I think....
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:17 AM
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32. Never had a huge fascination for dolphins and horses, though I was
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 11:17 AM by TwilightGardener
very interested in animals as a little girl (still am). Unicorns...I don't know why little girls would like an invented animal, but always makes me think of The Office: "My horn can pierce the sky!"
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:22 AM
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33. The same reason they love Harleys?
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:27 AM
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34. adv. media brainwashing - along with misguided mothers who have


been previously adv. media brainwashed, etc., etc.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:24 PM
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45. Much like console games, books and movies too I imagine.
Much like console games, books and movies too I imagine.

Everyone fits into a demographic, hence the post hoc ergo prompter hoc. :shrug:
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fatbuckel Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:07 PM
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35. Conditioning. I have three, one loves acting, one is a Beiberhead, and one likes autorepair.
I didn`t take my parenting clues from corporate America.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:12 PM
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36. Who knew?
What sort of creatures will be see in the new place? If these are "gateway" animals, does that mean we'll want to see mermaids, dragons, gryffins, or even--(gasp!)--centaurs?

My goodness--we might want to actually....read fantasy and science fiction! Perish the thought!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:33 PM
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38. They are something powerful that you can tame and ride.
Little girls notice that women are pretty much under the thumb of men, even today, so being able to tame a large and powerful animal and especially to be able to ride it appeals to them. It's about having some control over their lives. There have been studies about this and sure, there's the fairy tale aspect to it too.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:49 PM
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39. Not Me
This ex-girl never liked any of those things. I do, however, like pink. I was a big fan of Aesop's Fables and had a book of Russian fairy tales. It quickly became obvious to preschool me who had all the power - witches and wicked queens. Princesses were all ninnies who had to enlist men to do just about anything, including wake up. The males were often buffoonish. Forget going to other worlds, I just wanted flying monkeys and poison apples so I could rule this one.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:09 PM
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40. I listened to that story on the way home from work yesterday.
As the father of an 8-year old horse, unicorn and dolphin loving girl; I found it wonderfully insightful.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:15 PM
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42. So we should get them chocolate ones for valentine's day?
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:16 PM
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43. Had a playmate in the 1950s who was obsessed with horses.
Mom was hanging laundry in the back yard and heard some odd vocalizations coming from the yard next door. Looking over the fence she spotted the source of the sounds -- the 10-year-old lying on her side on the ground, waving her arms and legs.

Mom asked if she was okay, the girl responded, "I'm foaling!"

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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:28 PM
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46. Someone who works for CPS almost always finds unicorns
in homes where kids are being abused. He doesn't have a good explanation but has observed this is the case. Odd no?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:39 PM
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52. Not odd in my experience, actually, though maybe a little misleading obviously.
Because I can't back it up (and because my example is inflammatory) I won't go into it much but I'd heard something similar. Didn't have to do with unicorns specifically, though. Obviously not everyone who owns unicorns is party to child abuse but I think there are fantasy outlets that people choose when there are serious stresses in their life or serious issues and sometimes those outlets take the form of "totemization" with certain types of items.

PB
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:12 PM
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59. I always notice if I see a unicorn these days
totally reflexive action on my part. I have nothing to back up this anecdotal evidence. It just stuck with me. Yours is the best explanation of why such a statement could have validity.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:21 PM
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50. Dolphins are obviously phallic, horses are something they sit astride, unicorns combine the two.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:24 PM
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51. Oooh!
I didn't have the nerve to point that out.



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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:39 PM
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53. I also didn't have the cajones to point that out.
:rofl:

PB
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:43 PM
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54. Was going to say - the phallic symbolism of those three is pretty obvious.
But that possibly adds to the argument in the OP.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:45 PM
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55. Haha... I was just about to say that.
Good thing I looked down thread before I did.

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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:47 PM
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57. yes because even 3 yr old girls can't resist dicks
:eyes:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:55 PM
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58. It's not my fault that kids like a fake animal that is a horse with a dick growing out of its head.
And how you phrase it fails to capture the complexity of the issue, but I'd remind you that there is not an alarm clock that suddenly makes kids notice their genitals when they turn 13.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:16 PM
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61. Why don't they like rockets?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 06:47 AM
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62. Too strong/dangerous. Rockets and guns are both aggressive phallic symbols, unicorns and dolphins...
Edited on Fri Feb-11-11 06:48 AM by JVS
are gentle/tame. Note that our society encourages boys to play with/ wield the aggressive phallus.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:22 AM
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64. "The gun is good. The penis is evil."
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:16 AM
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63. so are guns and cars as well -- to freudians obsessed with penises, everything = a penis.
& all children are secretly obsessed with penises.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 08:33 AM
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67. Not everything is a penis. But there are penises out there.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:47 PM
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56. I'm more a crow and bear girl myself!
:hi:
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:16 PM
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60. Whatever happened to soft cuddly bunnies?
I always liked them best.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:36 AM
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66. Power, speed and grace without violence
I'm talking about the image of these animals--not the reality. Dolphins and horses engage in real fights for dominence in their social groups but for the most part appear to live in harmony. Girls like that. Maybe it reflects their own lives.

It's also interesting that girls who are interested in dinosaurs are attracted to the big plant eaters like the one that back when a was a horse, dolphin, dino obsessed girl was called brontosaurus and is now known as apatosaurus. (I still like brontosaurus--I guess that means I'm an old fossil) I guess I liked them because, although these animals were peaceful, they were big enough and strong enough to drive off any predator. Back off T-Rex. Mama triceratops is HERE.

As a librarian, I can vouch that while most girls while girls gravitate to the books on horses and dolphins, boys ask for books on lions, tigers and of course the grand daddy of all havoc reakers, T-Rex.

This is all rather new. The "Black Stallion" series was written in the 1950s & 60s about a boy, presumably for boys. Its equine hero is a dangerous outlaw stallion. The Black kills predators, fights other stallions and is uncontrollable except for young Alec Ramsey with whome he shares a unique bond. He's no fluffy pink horsey with spangles in his mane and the stories are centered in the 1940s & 50s racing world of boys and men, not riding schools full of young girls obsessed with horses, boys and status not necessarily in that order, but I doubt you'd see too many boys wanting to read this series these days. It's still read, but mainly by girls.

Why this is, I honestly don't know.
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