So is it just Adrian Lamo's word against Pvt. Bradley Manning ?

[FreakinDJ]

and Adrian is on probation for Hacking

Why does this sound so much like a Jail House Snitch.

This guy better have some concrete proof Manning contacted him.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2010/07/27/local-hacker-exposed-source-of-leaked-us-documents/

[LAGC]

1. Lamo is a big fat rat. Plain and simple.

Real hackers despise him for betraying Manning.

He better hope his big mouth can keep him out of jail, cause if he ever does go inside he'll find out what other inmates think about informants.

[FreakinDJ]

3. What IF Manning never contacted him - but the FBI told him to say that

Actually it is 1 of the Oldest Dirty Tricks Law Enforcement has used for decades.

Don't you think Lamo's Hacking skills are good enough to forge an Email

[LAGC]

4. Could be.

The chat logs are pretty damning though -- why would they target Manning out of the blue if he really wasn't involved?

Unless they just wanted a fall guy, and someone who worked with Manning wanted an excuse to get rid of him.

I'm thinking they have more evidence than just the snitch to go on. But it will be interesting to see what comes up during trial, or court martial or whatever it is the military does.

[FreakinDJ]

8. Chat logs LACK the IP of origin

That is why E-mails can be used as evidence but never before that I know of Chat sessions

Additionally - what would prevent an accomplished hacker from using an proxy IP address to send chat messages back to himself. The chat logs certainly won't show otherwise

[LAGC]

9. That's very true.

Which is why I think they must have additional evidence against Manning that they obtained from his work or home computers (such as classified documents or files), or else they are going to have a very weak case of circumstantial evidence against him indeed.

I wouldn't even be surprised if Lamo chickened out and refused to testify against Manning.

Lord knows he's had plenty of anonymous death threats against him already...

[Recursion]

18. Depends on the protocol

XMPP and IRC can. And if they were using OTR or some other encryption method that perversely does prove it was Manning (encryption can be a double-edged sword). Unless these were encrypted, if these are being used as evidence at all there had to be law enforcement involvement from the beginning (I mean, anybody can just produce a text file that they claim is a chat log).

[kas125]

2. I rec'd this, but evidently the unrec'rs got here before me. n/t

[glinda]

5. I gave it one. I think this topic is worth exploring. I don't get any

good vibes from Lamo.

[FreakinDJ]

7. Here is some of the "Chat Sessions"

Sorry - I'm just now exploring this stuff too - better late then never

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/12/26/when-did-adrian-lamo-start-working-with-federal-investigators/

But for some one supposedly working on his own, Lamo is sure asking all the right questions to make their case against Wikileaks. That and the fact just days prior he was trying to help Wikileaks when the banks were cutting off their funding - Sorry this Shit just don't pass the smell test for me

[glinda]

16. Read them. Have you seen his interview??? Yikes!

[gateley]

23. You're right - this smells. nt

[kas125]

11. I don't either! And you're very right, this topic does

deserve to be explored. For most of my life, I've pretty much believed that if they say it on tv, it's a lie. So far, I haven't seen anything to make me think different about this case.

[glinda]

17. Daily Kos has a Wikileaks thread that is pretty darned interesting.

[kas125]

24. Thanks, I'm going to go see if I can find it now. n/t

[glinda]

30. Here

http://www.dailykos.com/news/Wikileaks%20Informationthread

[gratuitous]

6. That seems to be more than adequate for a number of people

Including a depressing number of folks here at DU, who apparently can't imagine any reason why the military would trump up a case against Manning just because of the extremely embarrassing nature of some of the Wikileaks documents.

[gateley]

10. Can they imagine the United States Department of Justice targeting innocent

peoples' Twitter records?

I thought all the naive babes were Palin followers.

[FreakinDJ]

13. HBGary CEO Also Suggested Tracking, Intimidating WikiLeaks’ Donors

Here is your basic CIA Black Bag Contractor perfectly willing to do just that and the proof is in the Hacked Emails

HBGary CEO Also Suggested Tracking, Intimidating WikiLeaks’ Donors

Feb. 14 2011 - 11:29 am
By ANDY GREENBERG

WikiLeaks and its inner circle of supporters may not have been the only targets of a group of security firms that offered to take on the secret-spilling site on behalf of Bank of America. In an email conversation, the head of one of those firms also suggested going after the thousands of individuals who have donated to the group.

Last week the loose hacker group Anonymous released a set of more than 40,000 emails from HBGary Federal, the security firm whose servers it hacked earlier this month. One of the files in those emails was a PowerPoint presentation that described “the WikiLeaks Threat,” created by a group of three security firms that suggested Nixonesque tactics for sabotaging the site on behalf of Bank of America, including spreading misinformation, launching cyberattacks against it, and pressuring journalists.

“Its all about power.” he adds in another email. “The Wikileaks and Anonymous guys think they are doing the people justice by without much investigation or education exposing information or targeting organizations? BS. Its about trying to take power from others and give it to themeselves. I follow one law. Mine.”

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/02/14/hbgary-ceo-also-suggested-tracking-intimidating-wikileaks-donors/

In light of the resent revelations I think it completely feasible

[Mojeoux]

12. Free Bradley Manning! K&R

[gateley]

14. “Mr. Manning originally contacted me on or about May 20th,”

Jeez, doesn't sound coached to me. :sarcasm:

Is that the way you talk? I'd say "around the middle of May" or something like that. If he starts dropping legal phrases, he's busted.


Ooh -- here's another one:

“He did so with the stated intention of disrupting United States’ foreign policy,” said Adrian.

Puhleeze.

[FreakinDJ]

15. BINGO - We have a Winner Folks

[annabanana]

19. "with the stated intention"

Uh huh

[xchrom]

20. recommend

[NuclearDem]

21. If this ever does go to trial...

Manning's lawyer will have a good defense...all he says to do is mention:
1. Lamo is on probation for cybercrimes
2. The possibility that Lamo cooperating with the Feds is part of a deal to ease the terms of his probation.

It'll make Lamo look like the opportunistic snitch he is.

[FreakinDJ]

22. Military Tribunals do not have a Jury

just a panel of judges which usually are ranking officers

[NuclearDem]

27. Of...course...I knew that...

:blush: You didn't hear nothin'!

[jeff47]

25. Well, they also seized his computer and those CD-RWs

But sure, it's all a he-said, he-said.

[Mimosa]

26. Lamo's a government agent.

Anybody can discern that.

[gateley]

28. His MO kind of reminded me of the Acorn Pimp - a set up. nt

[NavyDem]

29. Manning

Manning was charged with storing classified documents on his personal computer (Charge 1, specification 2). If no other charge holds up to scrutiny, this charge is likely the most provable. If that was the only evidence they held, I think he might have faced non-judicial punishment, and not court martial. It will be interesting to see what evidence they actually present at trial.