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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 03:50 PM
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‘Douche du Jour’: Nickelodeon’s ‘iCarly’ Ridicules Homeless Americans
http://morallowground.com/2011/02/13/douche-du-jour-nickelodeons-icarly-ridicules-homeless-americans/#more-5439

We Americans have long marginalized the poor among us. In a nation steeped in the mythology of “rugged individualism” and an “up by your bootstraps” mentality that rewards success, no matter how dubiously won, we commonly dismiss those less fortunate as somehow inferior and unworthy of our assistance. In this succeed-or-be-damned national environment, many Americans truly believe that the poor are poor because they deserve to be, and that they’ve got nobody to blame but themselves for their station in life. After all, in America, the myth goes, anyone can attain wealth if they work hard enough.

Of course, this has proven to be utter nonsense, especially in today’s stark landscape of economic attrition. The more the subject of poverty is seriously studied, the more we learn about the inherent structural mechanisms that create and perpetuate it. There’s a reason, for example, why the median income for a white American household is 60% higher than that of a black household, and it’s not because whites are harder workers. But examining the real causes of inequality and poverty would force Americans to confront an ugliness in their sacred capitalist system that most of us would rather ignore. And so we ridicule the poor and blame them for their own predicament. It’s much easier that way, and seeing others with nothing or next to nothing even makes some of us feel better about our own diminishing wealth relative to the owners of the country, the plutocrats whose income has soared while everyone else’s has remained flat or has actually fallen.



One of the biggest problems facing today’s poor, especially during the current epidemic of job losses and real estate foreclosures, is homelessness. With nearly 10% of Americans unemployed and close to 3,000,000 homes in foreclosure, there are currently some 656,000 homeless people in the United States. Many of them were, until recently, successful members of the shrinking middle class. Many of them are families.

And that brings us to today’s Daily Douche. You would think that a media outlet like Nickelodeon, which informs and educates millions of our children, would approach the subject of homelessness with respect and dignity for those affected by it. After all, there are thousands of homeless children in America and they’ve done absolutely nothing to deserve to live on the streets. But the network’s popular program iCarly, about a teenager who creates her own web show, has repeatedly mocked the homeless, who are referred to as “hobos.” Check out these photos of a “hobo party,” replete with mis-matched “hobo” clothing (“Carly got her hobo costume from that new store in the mall called C.J. Penniless,” reads one caption) and bootleg cook camp setup. And here’s a post from iCarly’s blog about a man named “Hollywood the Hobo” with ‘fun facts’ about him, like: “Most people have a five-second rule when it comes to eating food that has fallen on the ground. Hollywood believes anywhere from five seconds to five weeks is fair game.”

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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:03 PM
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1. mocking the homeless
A no-talent little twerp who has no idea what she will be doing in the future when her child star days are numbered.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:07 PM
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3. She wrote that episode, too?
amazing.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:21 PM
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7. The article is about the show, not the actress.
These are decisions made by the producers, directors, writers, etc.

Second, she's a long way from "no-talent." She's smart, has good comedic talent, and might easily make the transition, since she hasn't built her career on being cute or sexy, but on being sharp-witted and funny. I have no idea what her politics are or whether she likes what her show's creators do or whether that even matters in most 17 year olds. But I'm all in favor of letting her grow up instead of attacking her for things she may not even be guilty of.

I like the show, in general, for my 12 year old daughter. It doesn't blast you with sexist stereotypes, the scenarios aren't as ludicrous as Disney's shows, and overall it's a decent show, or has been the times I've watched it. That's mostly because of Miranda Cosgrove and the co-star, Jenette McCurdy (No, I don't have them memorized, I looked them up). I've never seen the "hobo" stuff, but in general the characters have been compassionate towards people, and I've never felt uncomfortable as a liberal with what they do.

The article was about the show, though, not the actress. That's why I-Carly was in quotes. Show name. Not actress. No need to shred a kid because of what the producers of her show do.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:26 PM
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10. I was looking at the blog. Is the actress not blogging there?
Just her character? They are somehow separate? I was appalled by the blog. And anyone who manages the actress should be too. I don't know her. Never heard of her, but now I think she mocks the homeless and is a spoiled little snot.

When I was 17, I would have refused to be associated with such behavior. It reflects poorly on her whether she did it or not.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:32 PM
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11. When you were 17 you'd have probably done what your boss ordered you to do.
I didn't like making people pay for pizza, but I did it. I don't know how much she blogs at the site, and how much of that is her writers. You could go there and ask, I guess.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:35 PM
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13. I knew when to say no
I would not have mocked the homeless for money. I had a stubborn streak a mile long when it came to standing up to injustice. That's why I grew up to be a liberal.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:38 PM
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14. So did I, but I have also grown up since then, and realize I made mistakes back then.
Not because I was spoiled, mean, or whatever the fuck, but because I was young and didn't know everything yet. You gave to get to our age now to know everything and never make mistakes.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:48 PM
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18. I just googled "teens set homeless man on fire"
and found hundreds of incidents of "mistakes."
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 12:35 PM
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32. Holy Shit!! Miranda Cosgrove set a homeless guy on fire?? Why didn't you say so??
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:06 PM
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2. Thankfully our middle schoolers never watch that show...
but I think that a well-written complaint is definitely in order.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:08 PM
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4. Ugh. My girlfriend's daughter watches that.
Had no idea it was so ugly.
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:14 PM
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5. That show is detestable. My grandaughter is not allowed to watch it.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:23 PM
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8. Why?
I practically force my 12 year old to watch it. What do you find detestable about it? I'm curious, not attacking.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:18 PM
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6. I was disturbed by that...
needless to say, my daughter is no longer allowed to watch that show.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:25 PM
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9. And they wonder why there is such callousness toward homeless people.
Start teaching the hate while they're young.

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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:34 PM
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12. Delete--never mind
Edited on Tue Feb-15-11 04:45 PM by MorningGlow
not worth it
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:45 PM
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15. +1000! well said!
we have more serious issues to deal with as a people, than to waste our time on this kind of divisive BS.

My kids watch the show, and sometimes it is funny, sometimes rude...just like most 'kid humor'
and yes, didn;t our generation all grow up watching those old Looney Tunes - which were actually *filled* with propaganda and negative stereotypes - because they were geared towards adults and made before political correctness was even an afterthought...

ya, perspective, these folks needs it!
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:51 PM
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19. So that makes the images in the link okay. Got it. n/t.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:47 PM
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16. Google: Teens Set Homeless Man On Fire
Greenfield Police are looking into a report that teenagers tried to set a man on fire.

Three Teens Kill Homeless Man REDDING, CALIFORNIA

NYC: Cops seek teens in homeless man torching

LA: "Teens Who Set Homeless Man on Fire Sought,"

A homeless man named "John" was set on fire by teen

CINCINNATI -- Police are seeking four teens accused of dousing a homeless man with lighter fluid and setting him on fire.

Council Bluffs, Iowa: Police seek men who set Iowa homeless man on fire ... Thrill seekers, primarily in their teens, are the most common perpetrators of violence ...

Japan: Teenagers accused of setting homeless man on fire

"Homeless man beaten by teens"-El Paso

the list goes on and on...


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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:53 PM
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21. See my post below n/t
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:48 PM
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17. Sorry, I'll comment on your post anyway.
There are -- believe it or not -- even adults who hold the homeless in contempt, and that attitude filters down. It's only reinforced by shows such as this. But if you're using this as a teaching moment for your kids, then that's great.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:53 PM
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20. But that's just it
We blame the shows, but it's the lack of education and guidance at home that's the real problem. My son doesn't equate Hollywood (the character on iCarly who, by the way, had about three minutes' screen time total on one episode in the show's two+ year run) with real homeless people because he's been taught better than that.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:55 PM
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23. And my point is, not all parents are like you or me.
But that does not excuse the show (or whoever) from mocking and ridiculing this vulunerable population.
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cyberswede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:54 PM
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22. I concur
My kids love iCarly (and I like it too).

I just explain to my kids about how TV shows aren't like real life and how they exaggerate all kinds of things. I've explained to them that "hobo" was a term used more during the depression (and even explained riding the rails, Hoovervilles, and how the Hobo King and Queen are still named every year). Then I explain how homeless people today may have come to be in that situation - how people are losing their jobs and homes due to the economy. We talk about how we should never make fun of people because of their economic situation (or any other reason, actually). I think my 8 and 10 year old kids can understand the difference.

Seriously - give kids a little credit for being able to differentiate between a tv show and real life.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:57 PM
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24. yes on tv they only mock them
on real life they have been conditioned to believe it is okay to beat them or set them on fire.

I bet the parents of the teens who did those things also believed their kids could tell the difference between making fun of the misfortunes of others and physically attacking those same unfortunates.
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cyberswede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:02 PM
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27. You can't be serious
You can't seriously think these kids did that because of a couple iCarly episodes.

Kids who beat people and set them on fire have SERIOUS issues.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:07 PM
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28. No, there is no direct causality between iCarly and violence.
But subject matter presented in such as way on a children's show does have the potential to desensitize some to the seriousness of the issue. That goes for anything that gratuitously uses violence or demeaning language of imagery toward vulnerable populations. Not every kid has a parent who sits down with them and has a meaningful discussion about what is being shown on the TV.

Why in God's name should homelessness even be a storyline for this show?

My point is, kids see this enough and it all becomes background noise.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:12 PM
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29. they learned that some people have less worth than others
that no one would care if they mocked them or even hurt them.

I cannot believe you seriously are defending teaching kids that it is ok to mock the homeless. Talk about lack of empathy.

Know what I think the show should have done? Depicted good kids helping the homeless. Having a food drive, donating warm clothes, setting up a soup kitchen. That's what teens in my city have done. And I live in a community where 75% of the kids are on free and reduced school lunches. Guess they feel the shadow of poverty breathing down their necks more than the privileged ones who think it's all in good fun to laugh at the "hoboes."
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:59 PM
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25. Gah, I can't stand iCarly.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:01 PM
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26. They will have a "Very Special Episode" now that the shit has hit the fan. nt
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:17 PM
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30. A great tongue firmly in cheek movie released at the height of the Depression...
with the marvelous William Powell was called My Man Godfrey.

The rich, cavorting in plain sight of an urban camp for the homeless, decide to have a scavenger hunt and the daffy daughter of a millionaire, played by Carole Lombard, bring Powell as a Forgotten Man.

Well here, let IMDB explain...

My Man Godfrey is one of those old classic comedies that has satire at its heart, here the rich are firmly in the target sights of the makers, for it's they who come across as bumbling buffoons, whilst Godfrey the hobo is the one with tact and grace, he is the one they all should take their markers from. Yet as important as the social message is here, it's the brilliant comedy that comes to the fore, this is an electric script benefiting from great work from all involved. William Powell is Godfrey, it's a perfect performance as he is never flustered yet delivering funny lines with caustic impact.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028010/


There is a way to discuss social problem in an entertaining, thoughtful manner, but it seems to me that ICarly is nothing more than a show that strives for cheap laughs at the expense of others.

It doesn't surprise me coming from Nickelodeon. We all may decry Disney for being Disney, but I do not think they would ever allow this to tarnish their brand.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:21 PM
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31. Thank you.
<<There is a way to discuss social problem in an entertaining, thoughtful manner, but it seems to me that ICarly is nothing more than a show that strives for cheap laughs at the expense of others.<<

That point is apparently flying right over the heads of some here.

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