Dear Poor People, Thank You for Going Without Heat So We Can Buy Another Week of War

[nashville_brook]

Dear low-income American,

I know times are tough. I know many of you saw your savings and home values hurt by Wall Street recklessness. I also know that, with official unemployment above 9 percent, it is tough to find a job, and many have been forced to choose part-time employment that lacks benefits. But as a result of extending the Bush tax cuts for millionaires, the budget deficit has grown.

So, despite your problems, you are going to be “asked” to sacrifice. Your president is planning to cut $2.6 billion from Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP), which helps people afford keeping their homes warm during the winter, despite the fact that due to the economic downturn the number of poor people needing help has increased significantly.

As a result of your going without heat next winter, we will be able to afford almost one whole week of fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which cost about $468 million a day. Although when you add in the many hidden costs like increased long-term veteran’s health care due to the conflicts, your sacrifice is probably only really going to cover maybe half a week.

I hope you understand that when we had to choose between providing basic necessities to our citizens or fighting about five more days in Iraq and Afghanistan because of , we clearly just had to choose the wars over you.

Sincerely,

Democrats in Washington


http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/02/15/dear-poor-people-thank-you-for-going-without-heat-so-we-can-buy-another-week-of-war/

[riderinthestorm]

1. I feel sick. K and R with nothing more to add. nt

[nashville_brook]

4. it was too good not to post...but i totally agree.

i'm shocked and disappointed by this budget proposal.

[TriMera]

2. k&r. n/t

[DirkGently]

3. Crushing Truth.

[Bluebear]

5. not fair, Obama "cares deeply".

[nashville_brook]

6. the White House should have to do without their heating subsidy next year.

:evilgrin:

[sad sally]

78. Remember how the media made fun of President Carter when he

actually did turn down the heat in the WH and put on a sweater? Can't help but think what the United States and even the world would look like today if the policies of conservation and alternative energy, and the care for the poor and needy he believed in (and practices today) had taken hold.

[DirkGently]

7. It will be a kinder, gentler freezing to death.

[roxiejules]

35. Sadly, like this one.....

Man found frozen inside of his home that had no heat

http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-man-found-frozen-to-death-feb15,0,1107483.story


CHICAGO — A 60-year-old man was found frozen to death this morning inside his unheated Rogers Park residence on the city's North Side. The cause of his death was pending autopsy results, but officals said his death was possibly cold-related.

[QC]

8. Make no mistake, this choice was a very difficult one. Very difficult. n/t

[bigwillq]

10. He's the fierce advocate of caring.

Didn't you know that?! ;)

:hi:

[Bluebear]

36. Well said

[Horse with no Name]

15. I care deeply about the festering boil on Rush's ass

but do I care enough to do anything about it?
Nah...not at all.

[obxhead]

47. His actions prove he cares more about tax cuts and needless killing.

He can cry the victim forced to hurt the poor all he wants. The truth is he cares more about the rich and powerful than he does the innocents and poor.

[Lucian]

54. Yeah, he only cares about getting reelected by R's in 2012.

[SammyWinstonJack]

102. I'd hate to see what he would propose if he didn't 'care deeply'.

:scared: Personally I think he is either clueless or just doesn't give a rat's ass.

[INdemo]

122. Both

We need a real a progressive to challenge Obama...And if we could somehow convince Sanders to run, it would wake up every progressive in the country and we could win...

[piratefish08]

119. not just cares deeply, but deeply on multi-dimensions.

which is more than the average American can even comprehend caring.

[Hello_Kitty]

9. This hurts the President more than it hurts you.

Now stop bothering him with your incessant teeth chattering!

[WillyT]

11. HUGE K & R !!!

:kick:

:hi:

[nashville_brook]

30. :)

:hi:

[uppityperson]

12. k&r

[quinnox]

13. Ouch, talk about the stark truth n/t

[laundry_queen]

14. K&R nt

[ozone_man]

16. K&R for priorities.

War on Terror trumps hunger and warmth.

[Chris_Texas]

17. Bootstraps!

I say, take it a step further Mr President! Don't just slash the fuel program, eliminate it entirely, and then just pass a LAW that says you either buy lots of heating oil or go to Prison. It's win-win for everyone! I liken this to getting rid of the lack of health insurance by making it a crime to not buy insurance.

Hell, we could solve ALL our economic problems this way! Not enough people spending money? Make it a crime not to! Housing prices falling through the sub-basement? Buy a house or hit the big-house! It's the new "progressive."

[Mnemosyne]

20. Welcome to DU, Chris! I like your attitude.

:hi:

[nashville_brook]

23. individual mandate for heating oil!

I love it!

:spank:

[bigwillq]

46. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[tpsbmam]

49. Sssssh, don't give them any more ideas.

Welcome to DU, CT.

:toast: :hi:

[Tatiana]

52. WOW! Welcome to DU!

:hi:

Perfectly Obamaesque ideas you have there. I'm nearly afraid they might actually be implemented.

[Kall]

82. He's getting there

He's already adopted this approach for health insurance.

[SammyWinstonJack]

105. hehe

:evilgrin: :thumbsup: Oh and please don't give the Obama Administration any ideas.

[LibDemAlways]

125. Welcome to DU! Unfortunately, you've nailed how this

administration thinks.

Great post!

[RagAss]

18. We Live in Evil Times.

[Mimosa]

19. Nashville, DU needs you.

When it comes down to it we have to wake up. These wars are destroying our nation, the people who fight them and America's stature in the world.

China and other countries are laughing at us while we are going broke fighting the wars.

[Horse with no Name]

21. The wars aren't going away

and one of the MAIN reasons is because when ALL the troops come home (especially the National Guardsmen who aren't counted in the troop numbers)...unemployment is going to SOAR to heights we can't even imagine.
Our entire country is a house of cards at this point.
Politicians have spent our SS money, they want to spend the pension money, and they have to find new and creative ways to get it out of the hands of the present owners and into the hands of the rightful owners.
We are standing at the abyss looking into a depression.
All these things are just stop-gap measures to keep it from happening on our watch.
It's like a game of sadistic musical chairs.

[theHandpuppet]

117. Great post

I totally agree. It's been my belief for some time that TPTB are in no rush to end these senseless, bloody wars because they know all of these men and women will come home to a "jobless recovery" and the unemployment numbers will soar.

And of course, the "chosen few" are making their obscene fortunes from the perpetual war machine.

[nashville_brook]

24. in the past week I've sent no less than 4 letters, via those email petitions

begging to not cut off arts, heating subsidies and public broadcasting funding -- and in each one i found myself using military spending numbers for comparison, and then getting really depressed. b/c it's so big. it's not just the "war" spending, it's the nation-building. for crying out loud, we need to re-build our own damn nation. not just re-build, we need to re-think and re-design.

the treasure we've sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, in the form of our young people as well as money, is just staggering. it has to stop. we can't afford it.

[Urban Prairie]

22. China gets their oil from Iran

From the blood, sweat, injuries, wounds, and dead bodies of US troops without a single Chinese soldier even sustaining a hangnail.

Meanwhile at the "homeland" we are supposedly being defended from Islamic terrorism, while domestic terrorists in the form of the ultra wealthy corporate capitalists and our bought representatives wreak domestic terrorism upon the great unwashed each and every day.

I fear domestic terrorism in the form of cutting/eliminating government support services, off-shoring/outsourcing/eliminating jobs, and permitting our infrastructure to crumble, far more than ANY threat of Islamic terrorism!!

[nashville_brook]

25. wow -- right on!

i couldn't have said it any better myself.

[DirkGently]

28. Well said.

[roody]

44. ...with outbreaks of open fire on doctors providing reproductive

services to women or open fire on politicians with consciences.

[truth2power]

58. The real terrorists are right here in the US. I tell that to everyone I know. n/t

[newspeak]

70. I agree!

All of the fear mongering about foreign terrorist attacks and our money being funneled into government contracted corporations to allegedly protect us; but what is the real threat? If our infrastructure is allowed to decay and our citizens become poorer and homeless or work for slave wages with no pensions or benefits-isn't that more life threatening than these alleged outside threats? Witnessing parts of your family lose their homes and livelihoods with no social safety net, isn't that more life threatening?

Also, wasn't China dealing with the Afghanistan government for mining rights? So, as American citizens, are we to pay for protecting corporate interest, while we are being drained, while others jump in and make a buck on us? Like I said before, the whole global cabal are nothing but a bunch of fekkin sociopathic greedy vampires.

[BobbyBoring]

103. You and me both

And I'm fucking sick of it. "Islamo Fascism" is just the "Boogie Man Dy Jour". We MUST have boogie man. After the great Ronnie Raygun single handedly took down the commies in the USSR, there was no one left to fear.

It's a shame that way too many of our "American Patriots" buy this bull shit~

[leftstreet]

104. +1

[scarletwoman]

26. Brilliant! Thank you for posting this.

I can't really add anything, it's totally dead on.

sw

[JVS]

27. Real troopers, at home and abroad!

[Name removed]

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[Canuckistanian]

31. Aw thanks, poor people - you shouldn't have

As if they had any say in the matter.

Like they ever did.

[leftstreet]

32. K&R

[roxiejules]

33. Along with no heat...

we're making sure you have catfood to eat.

[Toucano]

34. You're welcome.

Just promise to use my frozen corpse in a way that most benefits my beloved troops and it will all be worth it.

:-)

[QC]

37. Hey, if they live through the winter, they can get Pell Grants.

(Except in the summer.)

Isn't that worth anything to you?

[center rising]

38. Brilliant post

Nothing more to add!!

[Name removed]

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[sam kane]

40. Exactly!!!

Thank you.

[Starry Messenger]

41. k&r

[Tsiyu]

42. And just think...the amount of heating assistance you WOULD

have received may alternatively be used so that a Wall Street executive or your Congressperson may enjoy a lovely breakfast or round of golf...

Sacrifice, people, until you have nothing left to sacrifice...

Because a good breakfast and golf are important.....

[Lifelong Protester]

43. another one of those posts so well written it leaves me speechless.

eexceptional. and just continuing to add to my 'fear-depressed-hopeless'stash under the bed.


And BTW, how can a 'name removed' person have gotten two hearts? Wow.

[ck4829]

45. K&R

[Javaman]

48. Double plus good!

more choco rations for everyone! ...even though they were actually cut.

But hey, there is always enough victory gin! even though it's just industrial alcohol.

Yay! the ministry of peace has spoken?

I really get tired of being sarcastic sometimes.

We live in very sad times indeed.

[tpsbmam]

50. This needs to be an action item that we can sign and send to the WH.

He'd get thousands of them.

K&R

[SammyWinstonJack]

108. And he wouldn't care even if he actually did see them.

:shrug:

[Hubert Flottz]

51. And send Dick Armey and Tom DeLay a tax refund check.

[whoopingcrone]

53. You're welcome GOBs

Glad I can still be of use for something in my old age.
Sorry I won't be able do more, but since
"they" may be cutting the $27 of my current $200 a month food stamp
allowance I got when you wanted to stimulate me, I can't waste my time
on frivolities like voting.

:sarcasm:

[border_town]

55. Dear poor peole...

Thank you for going without heat, so the wealthy can buy another exotic car to add to their collection.

[DirkGently]

56. Daimler Expected To Swing To Profit As Luxury Car Sales Surge

http://www.smartmoney.com/news/ON/?story=ON-20110214-000147&

[bhikkhu]

57. I still think its genius

that the repugs can spend eight years gutting the economy of the whole country, claim it wasn't them, promise to keep doing the same damn thing or worse so hard they wind up back in power in congress, use their power to force compromises that further enrich the wealthy and punish those in need, and then (the masterful part) get us to believe that they haven't done a thing - it was all our Democratic President Obama's work.

[Capitalocracy]

63. No one's blaming Obama for something he didn't sign off on

If Obama would stand firm against these policies, it would actually improve the economy. He grabbed a shovel and he's helping the Republicans dig us into a deeper hole. What's more, our party supposedly has the White House and a majority in one of the two chambers of Congress. Why are the Republicans governing? Because Obama and people from our own party say they should.

But it's truly shameful that there are a lot of people in the U.S. who think our financial problems suddenly started because Obama became president. Apparently they have the memory of a goldfish.

[newspeak]

72. actually it was a brilliant plan

create a "fake" organization funded by the wealthy and corporate money and have your corporate shills like Beck, Hannity, Limpballs and O'Llielly appeal to their ignorant followers to go against their own interests. Oh, and keep telling the masses that it's not the repugs fault that they funneled billions to their friends (some unaccounted) and lied the people into a war. Allowing a very complicit media to repeat the following over and over, until the zombies actually believe it. Then, it's business as usual--gotta get with the pro-corporate agenda to take over the country and make sure Wall Street gets more of the plebes money so that they can screw the rest of us even more, while taking any support for children, seniors and the truly "undeserving" needy.

[totodeinhere]

109. Own best interests?

appeal to their ignorant followers to go against their own interests

Actually, not all of the them are ignorant fools. It's just that they define their "best interests" differently than you do.

Take my older brother for instance. He is well educated, but he believes that it is in his best interest to have abortions outlawed and to stop gay marriage. It's things like that which are most important to him. When I ask him about the "best interests" thing he replies that material considerations are not important to him but social issues are. And there are millions of others like him who would choose to have abortion outlawed in exchange for having their Social Security checks cut back.

[nashville_brook]

77. Obama owns his budget proposal -- masterful reality manipulation not required

[newspeak]

79. you're right, he does own it

But, I remember back when we along with the media talking about how the repugs were done!!!! Nah, they recreated themselves into something even more nasty. Some of their teabagging followers actually believe the shite that Obama is a socialist, Obama is a liberal. They wouldn't know a liberal now days if they were face to face. They believe what their leaders tell them, when in reality Obama is a corporatist-he's not liberal and he definitely is not a socialist.

[TBF]

88. Do you think we don't understand that both parties work for the ruling class?

The condescending propaganda is insulting.

[nolabear]

59. Jesus, we're going to hell in a bucket, aren't we?

War is HELL.

[davidthegnome]

60. Accurate. Sadly, very accurate.

I can't help but wonder about those deeply compassionate Democrats in Washington. Surely they've already reduced their own salaries and benefits? Surely they've trimmed the budget fat where there is indeed a lot of it to trim? Of course they have not supported unnecessary tax breaks for the wealthiest people in this Nation. Certainly they cannot have pardoned and praised the criminals that brought us to this dire situation to begin with? No, not our great and noble representatives... surely they've done all they can before deciding to slash programs which go to support those most in need?

[grahamhgreen]

61. Kickin' A!

[DeSwiss]

62. K&R

That's what it amounts to. Damn.

[bulloney]

64. That puts things in perspective and shows where this country's priorities have gone.

One week of war-mongering vs. keeping our needy people warm during the winter.

Our military spending is the elephant in the room nobody in Congress wants to acknowledge. It's in part, because, the Military Industrial Complex has contractors in every state and in virtually every congressional district. Cut the military budget and you cut jobs. No congressman will stand for that. And everyone in Congress has an arrangement with their colleagues where "I'll defend your military jobs if you'll defend mine."

We laugh at the collapse of the former Soviet Union while we're doing the very thing that brought it down. Instead, we delude ourselves into believing the Soviet collapse was the result of St. Ronnie telling Gorbachev to tear down a wall.

[nashville_brook]

68. Alan Simpson (of all people) was on NPR this morning saying we had to cut military spending

of course, he also said to cut Medicare...but i was surprised to hear even the smallest peep about military spending.

[Zephie]

65. But at least we had a mild winter!

I'm sure you'll all do just fine...

[BlueIris]

66. I am ashamed that my votes went to support this mess.

These are the most screwed up priorities I can ever remember the Democrats having.

[tekisui]

67. knr.

[Rex]

69. And not one Obamabot in here to defend him.

Says a lot.

[nashville_brook]

74. turns out, some things are indefensible regardless of talking point linkage

[Lautremont]

75. Oh, someone will turn up

to point out irrelevant counterpoints here, here, here and here.

[Rex]

91. Still nothing.

They pathetically avoid the threads they cannot rah rah in.

[Bluebear]

126. .

[LaPera]

71. You're quite welcome-We'll just we'll just wear more layers of clothes-War for corporate profits....

are much more important!

[defendandprotect]

73. K&R -- Attacking the most vulnerable among us -- disgusting!!

[Name removed]

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[mike_c]

80. actually, I have a very good understanding of how LIHEAP works...

...and I fully agree with the sentiments expressed by the OP. My partner administers LIHEAP funds for one of the oldest community action agencies in the U.S. I know precisely how LIHEAP works and what it accomplishes, at least in my community. When informed that Obama was cutting the LIHEAP budget in half, her first response was "OMG, don't they know that people will DIE?"

[phleshdef]

83. LIHEAP is a corporate subsidy paid to states who then pay it to utility companies.

Obama is the one that raised it to begin with. Overall energy prices went down after that, primarily because of natural gas dropping. But the subsidy level remained the same. So we were giving the increased amount of tax payer money to the utility companies even after the overall price dropped.

But tell me something, where were all these dying people in 2008 and early 2009, before the subsidy was doubled by Barack Obama?

[nashville_brook]

90. 14,380 people die per year in the US b/c of cold -- 0.8% of the US death rate

http://www.enn.com/business/article/27911

[phleshdef]

94. And your own article pretty much annihilates that it has much to do with heating bills.

"Cardiovascular and respiratory diseases are the top causes of death for those who die following severe hot or cold weather."

"Death rates do not escalate after cold snaps that occur when the price of oil is high."

[nashville_brook]

95. that is, at the very least, dishonest. what do you think people die of when they don't have heat?

broken legs? fire ants?

no, they die of respiratory and cardiovascular crises.

[phleshdef]

96. Cold weather gives my wife respiratory problems every year. I have heat and its paid for.

Its a study that looks at generally how peoples's health responds to exposure to extreme cold.

It also states that rises in oil prices, which do effect heating bills, do not seem to cause any change in that mortality rate one way or the other. Thats from your own link. I didn't just make it up.

[nashville_brook]

99. without heat, your wife could get very ill -- correct?

[phleshdef]

101. Of course. Regardless, the research you cited basically says that heating bills are not a factor.

You can cite possibilities all day long. There are possibilities and then there is the probability of them happening. According to your article, the price of heating oil does not appear to have any statistical signifigance in the mortality rate caused by cold weather.

[Lautremont]

113. Maybe you should think this through.

This 2007 article says there is a correlation between cold and death. It says that there is no correlation between high oil prices and death BECAUSE ART THAT TIME HEATING OIL FOR THE POOR WAS SUBSIDIZED. Now that it is not, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that particular statistic is only going to go up.

[phleshdef]

115. Wow, you just got all that WAY wrong. Heating for the poor is STILL & will continue to be subsidized

LIHEAP subsidies were around 2.5 billion in 2007-2008. Obama raised them to 5 billion in 2009-1010. Now he is proposing that we take them back to 2.5 billion for the next budget. They were subsidized then. They are subsidized now. And they will continue to be subsidized in the future. You should actually learn whats being proposed before you make off the wall statements like "heating oil for the poor won't be subsidized anymore". Thats blatantly false.

[nashville_brook]

121. your framing of this issue is weak, and it's a great example of why Dems lose elections

there's no dollars and sense about people dying from the cold. this is a moral issue and it is won or lost on moral grounds.

[phleshdef]

127. If its so weak, why have you been unable to refute it?

[Lautremont]

129. Yes indeed.

I did exaggerate. But I still don't understand your notion that cutting this subsidy in half can't lead to potential suffering among the poor, elderly and infirm. The spike in heating oil prices was not that big, and prices are only going up. They're higher this year than last year at the same time. Your statement that "this is not a big deal" is as off the wall as anything.

[Riverman]

110. LIHEAP is more than a subsidy of oil and gas corps, it also helps

to weatherize homes of low and very low income families and seniors, reduces their energy cost and does keep people warm in the winter and cooler in the summer. It puts more money in their pocket every month. Can certainly argue that energy costs for home heating oil, electricity and gas are too too high and disproportionately burden the income of low and very low income families and seniors. No argument there! Even if such costs were too high, it still makes sense to weatherize homes and all building to reduce the waste of energy resources and to cut down on carbon emissions, especially from coal fired energy plants.

[phleshdef]

118. Don't get me wrong. I'm in no way against the LIHEAP program.

But I'm just saying, people are acting like the federal government was paying individual bills off for poor people that can't afford heat and thats not even close to the way it works. These companies negotiate the assistance with their customers and pay for it out of federal money that is ultimately handed directly to them by the states that apply for it. When prices spiked, the amount we gave these utility companies was raised. When prices went down, the subsidy continued to be paid out at that higher level. So bringing it back down to pre-spike levels, considering that we continued to pay more after the spike subsided, is not that big of a deal.

[2banon]

124. dunno

But tell me something, where were all these dying people in 2008 and early 2009, before the subsidy was doubled by Barack Obama?

struggling to survive, most likely answer. :shrug: the responsibility for hardship shouldn't be placed on the poor, rather it should be directed to TPB that created this feudal socieity, imo.

[Mimosa]

81. K&R

War is the disease which is sickening us, leaving us corrupt and poor.

[DirkGently]

107. A. Men.

[DeSwiss]

84. Or, as an alternative to providing the US with a week's worth of war......

...another way of looking at these cuts to the heating support program for next winter is to see it as adding to Goldman Sachs' bottom line profit margin. Which will in-turn one day (of course) trickle-down to The Poors™ into their stock portfolios. It's the American Way.©™

Critics: Goldman Should Give Back $2.9 Billion to Taxpayers

Wednesday, February 16, 2011
McClatchy Newspapers
by Gregg Gordon



WASHINGTON — Irked that Goldman Sachs appears to have reaped a $2.9 billion taxpayer-aided windfall on an investment of a mere $20 million, some experts and watchdogs say the Wall Street giant should return the money to the U.S. Treasury. "It's a very simple call to make," said Sylvain Raynes, a frequent Goldman critic who's an expert in the kinds of deals in which the investment bank landed an apparent jackpot. "They should never have been given this money, and they should give it back."

The assessment by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission also exposed a potentially huge regulatory omission in the rescue of the insurance giant American International Group, which was the conduit for more than $90 billion in tax dollars to U.S. and European banks.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/02/16-2">MORE

- On the other hand, he will need to have a bunch of "friends" with some deep, deep pockets to raise that http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/12/13/obamas-2012-campaign-fundraising-could-top-1-billion/?icid=sphere_searchsphere_news">$1 billion he's expecting in order to retain the title: "The greatest Democratic President the Republicans ever had."

[earth mom]

85. Yep, There's BIG money in killing people-but not in keeping them alive.

Especially when they are poor worthless eaters. :grr:

[nashville_brook]

98. ain't that the godawful truth.

[russspeakeasy]

86. You're welcome..

[Bragi]

87. Kick

[delightfulstar]

89. K&R, We're in a sad state of affairs, indeed. n/t

[indepat]

92. Putting the sheer madness of our national leadership into perspective for it is: holistic,

ubiquitous, unending, and deceitful. :patriot:

[Butch350]

93. No heat help now...

Just bring all those troops home from war into this economy. Talk about people without heat. Think of all
those soldiers with no jobs.

NOW YOU SEE WHY THEY KEEP A WAR GOING. HELLO! HELLO!

[blindpig]

97. Empire has it's priorities...

and Empire is a creature of Capitalism.

Cut to the chase.

[Stoic]

100. Let them freeze and reduce the surplus population.

I can't wait until we get a Democrat in the White House.

[WVRICK13]

106. The Poor Are Being Forced

to shoulder the debts of the wealthy. I sent the following to barackobama.com in response to their email soliciting donations: I have to say that I disagree with most of the Presidents proposed budget cuts. I see it as a way to finance the tax cut extensions for the wealthy and the burden is falling on the shoulders of the poor. We need to cut money to Israel and other counties before we make our citizens suffer. We also do not need two useless wars and 700 military bases throughout the world. Frankly I want a refund for my campaign donations to Obama because I feel that I have bought a defective product.

[nashville_brook]

120. this, like most class wars, is being fought by the rich against the poor.

[Jakes Progress]

111. Not a week of war, but gold fixtures in the guest bathroom

at the lake house for the richest 1%. The administration's tax cut gift to them just keeps on giving.

[KillCapitalism]

112. K&R n/t

[Kurovski]

114. K&R

Scathing.

The move to cut subsidy is so fundamentally stupid it must have been done on a dare. I don't buy that defense President Obama gave. More people are added to the rolls of those who need assistance every day.

[bigwillq]

116. Kick (nt)

[louslobbs]

123. Let Them Eat Ice Cream Cake........

or at least them them eat ice since they probably can't afford cake, the budget will provide the ice. What a sick country this is turning into.

[upi402]

128. War? Hell Diesel fuel for the yacht is hundreds per hour!

And 'Snookums' needs a new tiarra..:puke: