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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 07:44 PM
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Why there should be a case against George W. Bush under torture law
"The support for the investigation stems from Bush's open admission that the authorized water boarding, the necessity people feel to hold torturers accountable if we are to end torture, and the utter failure of the United States to investigate Bush and others. The U.S., as the most powerful country in the world, is an example to the world: If the U.S. can openly torture, so can every other country.

There have been some naysayers to the attempts to internationally prosecute Bush and other officials. They have it wrong. They want a world in which if a country does not investigate its own torturers, then no other country should. They argue, as David Frum did in a recent column on this site, that efforts by the Center for Constitutional Rights and its partner legal organizations to seek criminal accountability of former President Bush in Switzerland amount to "law as a weapon of politics" and "assault upon the basic norms of American constitutional democracy."

Let's correct one major misconception some have about the basis for this action and how it relates to the U.S. legal system at the outset. The Convention Against Torture, which mandates that Switzerland and 146 other countries including the United States investigate and prosecute torturers, is part of U.S. law. Its ratification and its enforcement is part of our constitutional democracy.

The anti-American and anti-Constitutional acts were Bush's decision to authorize torture and the U.S. failure to hold him accountable. Politics are being used as a weapon against the law by claims that these are policy choices. They are not. As the State Department Legal Advisor Harold Koh stated, torture can never be a "policy choice." Likewise, the investigation and prosecution of our homegrown torturers is a legal obligation and should not be driven by politics."

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 07:50 PM
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1. K&R
"law as a weapon of politics"

:nopity:

These are the same think tankers and pundits who coin phrases like "activist judges"

Assclowns
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 07:56 PM
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2. Yep
Use words as a way to hide their own crimes and abuses.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:28 PM
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3. My choice of 1-10 recs seems to be broken. nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:34 PM
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4. I hate it when that happens.
lol
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:38 PM
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5. knr - U.S. Justice v. the world - Glenn Greenwald
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/02/18/justice/index.html

"...Yesterday, in South Carolina, an Obama-appointed federal judge dismissed a lawsuit brought by Padilla against former Bush officials Donald Rumsfeld, John Ashcroft, Paul Wolfowitz and others. That suit alleges that those officials knowingly violated Padilla's Constitutional rights by ordering his due-process-free detention and torture. In dismissing Padilla's lawsuit, the court's opinion relied on the same now-depressingly-familiar weapons routinely used by our political class to immunize itself from judicial scrutiny: national security would be undermined by allowing Padilla to sue; "government officials could be distracted from their vital duties to attend depositions or respond to other discovery requests"; "a trial on the merits would be an international spectacle with Padilla, a convicted terrorist, summoning America's present and former leaders to a federal courthouse to answer his charges"; the litigation would risk disclosure of vital state secrets; and "discovery procedures could be used by our enemies to obtain valuable intelligence."

In other words, our political officials are Too Important, and engaged in far Too Weighty Matters in Keeping Us Safe, to subject them to the annoyance of the rule of law. It's much more important to allow them to Fight The Terrorists without restraints than to bother them with claims that they broke the law and violated the rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. That's the mentality that has resulted in full-scale immunity for both political and now private-sector elites in a whole slew of lawbreaking scandals -- from Obama's refusal to investigate Bush-era crimes or high-level Wall Street criminality to retroactive immunity for lawbreaking telecoms and legal protection for defrauding mortgage banks...

...In one sense, this is hardly surprising. As I've written about before -- and as my forthcoming (September) book documents -- we now have a multi-tiered justice system in the United States where citizens have their legal rights, obligations and punishments determined exclusively by their status and class. Thus, someone like Jose Padilla, in the lowest class of literal non-person (accused Terrorist), has virtually no chance regardless of the merits of his claims against someone like Donald Rumsfeld, who resides in the highest and most privileged class (high-level political official). As Padilla's counsel, Ben Wizner, said, the court yesterday ruled "that Donald Rumsfeld is above the law and Jose Padilla is beneath it." That's just what the American justice system is.

But compare the posture of the American justice system to those in other countries with regard to how victims of illegal War on Terror policies have been treated. Maher Arar -- a Canadian citizen who was abducted by the U.S. in 2002 at JFK Airport and sent to Syria to be tortured for ten months despite being innocent -- had his case dismissed by American courts before it was even heard on the ground (raised by both the Bush and Obama DOJ) that vital state secrets would be jeopardized by allowing him his day in court; by stark contrast, the Canadian government published a comprehensive public report detailing its own culpable role (and that of the U.S.) in his wrongful abduction, while the Canadian Prime Minister publicly apologized to Arar and announced that he would be paid $8.9 million in compensation for Canada's role in what happened to him..."





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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:43 PM
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6. Thanks!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:21 PM
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8. ......
you're welcome :)

:kick:

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 10:05 AM
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10. American Justice is corrupted
It's all about who you know. Not what the laws are.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:50 PM
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7. KNR!~
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 10:01 AM
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9. Thanks, tekisui.

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 10:50 AM
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11. K&R!
Hold the war criminals accountable, there is no other option...

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