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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:22 PM
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Strong Evidence: Oral Sex Linked to Oral Cancer in Men. More risk than smoking.
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 09:49 PM by denem
The last time this subject was posted, there were a lot of jokes about blowjobs. The boot is on the other foot. Study results show HPV related oral cancer in men is more common than oral cancer from tobacco use. How do you feel about HPV vaccination now?

Funny? Real funny.

AFP Oral sex linked to cancer risk
— US scientists said Sunday there is strong evidence linking oral sex to cancer, and urged more study of how human papillomaviruses may be to blame for a rise in oral cancer among white men.

In the United States, oral cancer due to HPV infection is now more common than oral cancer from tobacco use, which remains the leading cause of such cancers in the rest of the world.

Researchers have found a 225-percent increase in oral cancer cases in the United States from 1974 to 2007, mainly among white men, said Maura Gillison of Ohio State University.

"When you compare people who have an oral infection or not... the single greatest factor is the number of partners on whom the person has performed oral sex," said Gillison, who has been researching HPV and cancer for 15 years.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i80M66TPHXMnQmOKUlpcpu_gNOuQ?docId=CNG.2fa97f53bfcdc1875eb8f281d95222b2.781
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:25 PM
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1. That's not going to stop me
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:22 PM
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13. I'm with you.
I haven't been a smoker in almost 20 years. I figure I'm totally due for the indulgence... one way or the other. That, and I've always liked doing this waaaay better.

Solidarinosc to the orally fixated!

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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:38 AM
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25. Life is dangerous
What about for lesbians? Does it make us more susceptible? It's not going to stop me, either, anymore than a study that says milk is bad for you. Life is dangerous.

When oral sex becomes "bad" for you, then you are doing it wrong.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:39 AM
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26. If it's bad for you, you are doing it wrong n/t
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:25 PM
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2. I am reminded of the punchline of a joke. "Very few people eat
parsley."
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:26 PM
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3. More jokes. Then Tobacco is funny too I guess.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:30 PM
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4. The point would not be lost on those familiar with the joke. n/t
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:33 PM
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5. I read through the entire original thread, then the DU'er
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 09:34 PM by denem
who contracted oral cancer in the seventies. Black humor I suppose. HPV got your tongue - spread the love.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:55 PM
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21. Black humor - not funny. Not even remotely
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 10:56 PM by housewolf
But thanks for the link to the article


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brewens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:37 PM
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6. Is it too late to be vaccinated at age 50?
"the single greatest factor is the number of partners on whom the person has performed oral sex," said Gillison, who has been researching HPV and cancer for 15 years.

How about all of them since about age 17. I'm a nice guy. :) If that kills me, it was worth it. You can put that on my tombstone.

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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:41 PM
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8. No, the vaccines works at any age, but there are more than one strain out there,
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 09:42 PM by denem
so a vaccine wont cover all of them. If you have HPV, the treatments available for shingles can put it into remission. A HPV test is simple, and as preventative medicine, will soon to be available at no cost
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:49 PM
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20. If it just killed you, that perhaps wouldn't be so bad (for you),
though for those who love you, it might not be pretty bad.

But if you survive it, the treatment and its after-effects can make you wish it had killed you for years yet to come





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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:37 PM
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7. Although I have no man in my life...
I feel sorry for any man or woman who believes this crap. And I'm a smoker!
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:46 PM
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9. Crap like a medical conference on Oral Cancer? Good for you.
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 09:47 PM by denem
I was a smoker up until about six months ago. I did not give it up for cancer risk. Emphysema is charming. My point is that if it's sex its usually funny or immoral. Remember the quick action on HIV?
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:00 PM
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11. My second husband died from cancer...
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 10:05 PM by catabryna
I take things seriously... and yes, I still smoke. When you lose a spouse, and you have an autistic kid, and your family treats you like crap... come talk to me... mmmmkay?

eta: my first husband gave me HPV and I developed early stage cancer... I was a virgin when I met him... wanna take it further?

My son is adopted, because of my first husband, jackass!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 09:54 PM
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10. I demand a recount.
:evilgrin:
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:00 PM
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12. A 225 percent increase since 1974?
That's about the time BJ's and eating out started to really take off, so it may make sense.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:41 PM
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16. Well, as far as I know...
Discount warehouses are more recent, and restaurants have been around for centuries. I'm failing to see the link.

:P
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:35 PM
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14. Funny, you stopped responding to responses from
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 10:36 PM by catabryna
your own post. Wonder why?

PM me, if you wish to take it further.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:38 PM
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15. If my epitaph has to read; "He performed too much oral sex", I won't see it as a loss.

It is a serious issue. Cancer sucks and is a terrible way to go.

There aren't many 'good' ways to go, however.

If something is going to kill me because I treated women's bodies as finely tuned instruments for the sake of bringing them ecstasy, then so be it.

Get vaccinated. It's not a guarantee, but it's license to 'have at it' as far as I'm personally concerned.

I'll be getting mine asap.
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:45 PM
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18. I adore your response!
:evilgrin:
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:45 AM
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37. Right on. Good reply.
Along my line of thinking exactly.

No one dies healthy, and I would just as soon die from too much oral sex as anything else.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:45 AM
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39. Well, we all have to die from something....nt
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:42 PM
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17. It would be a good idea for everyone to get vaccinated for HPV
Edited on Sun Feb-20-11 10:43 PM by Taverner
Virii can be defeated
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 10:47 PM
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19. Yes, it can...
and, not by those abstinence only crazies.

Then again, if I'd have had that back in 1982, I wouldn't have my fantabulous kid!
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:02 PM
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22. This story is a bit thin on evidence
Skepticism is warranted.

"I'm very worried," says Otis Brawley, chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society. Skeptics say the association is not proven, and that too much of the work comes from just Gillison.



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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:35 AM
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23. No Oral sex leads to no will to live n/t
:D
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:26 AM
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41. +1000
:rofl: I couldn't agree more.
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:37 AM
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24. I'm fubared.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:39 AM
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27. Dogs lick one anothers butts all the time and they don't get oral cancer. :/ nt
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 12:40 AM by Quixote1818
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:55 AM
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38. Yeah. HUMAN papillomavirus
Dogs eat shit too. I don't recommend it. Whatever turns you on.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:53 AM
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43. They actually have a type of non-viral contagious cancer.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:50 AM
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28. Some people might find this hard to swallow
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:53 AM
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30. Ba dum sha! n/t Oh wait - RIMSHOT LOL
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:48 AM
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40. Rimjob you mean?
Doh. ;P
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DeltaLitProf Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:52 AM
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29. Why only white men?
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:33 AM
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36. A possible explanation:
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 02:37 AM by somone
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1916755,00.html

Why Racial Profiling Persists in Medical Research
By Catherine Elton | Saturday, Aug. 22, 2009

...In a more recent study, published in Cancer Prevention Research, investigators sought to explain another race-based disparity, that whites survive certain head and neck cancers more often than blacks. There was a biological mechanism at play, the authors found: the presence of the sexually transmitted human papilloma virus (HPV), which appeared to protect patients with oropharyngeal cancer. HPV-positive patients had a five times higher rate of cancer survival than HPV-negative patients; as it turned out, whites had a nine times higher rate of HPV infection than blacks, which the researchers believed largely explained the difference in survival.

The question is, Why the difference in HPV infections? It could have to do with the fact that young white men practice oral sex more often and earlier — a common way young people acquire HPV — than black men, according to statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. So, with this particular cancer, the survival gap may well be attributed to sociocultural differences in sexual habits, says Brawley, who wrote an editorial accompanying the study. In the hands of another researcher, he says, perhaps these findings would have been chalked up to some unknown biological difference involving race...


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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:09 AM
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31. Debate continues about efficacy of vaccinating as rates of noncervical HPV cancers climb (SciAm)
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 01:09 AM by somone
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=sex-spreads-hpv-cancers

HPV-Positive Cancers Spreading among the Middle-Aged
Debate continues about the efficacy of vaccinating teens against the sexually transmitted papillomavirus as rates of noncervical HPV cancers climbs
By Katherine Harmon | November 2, 2010

Head and neck cancer patients were once primarily older heavy smokers and drinkers. Now, the majority who are diagnosed with the disease are closer to middle age (many ages 40 to 55) and developed it not from years of tobacco or alcohol use but rather because they engaged in oral sex. This shift has been traced to an increase in the human papillomavirus (HPV), the sexually transmitted infection that also causes cervical cancer. And oropharyngeal cancers are not the only malignancies the virus is spurring on. HPV is now likely responsible for more than 14,000 new cases of noncervical cancer in the U.S. each year.

Despite efforts to immunize more girls against HPV with the Gardasil or Cervarix vaccines—and continued debate about recommending the vaccine for boys—experts expect that number of these virus-linked cancers to continue to grow. "Based on what we have seen, in the past 10 years or so we don't see that the numbers have started to plateau," says Anil Chaturvedi, an investigator in the Division of Cancer Epidemiology and Genetics at the National Cancer Institute. "They're still on the rise."

The virus is exceedingly common. In the U.S. at least half of those who are sexually active will get HPV at some point during their lives, and most carriers manifest no obvious symptoms, so people who are infected are usually unaware that they have it—and could be transmitting it to their partners. Most infections, including some 90 to 95 percent of cervical HPV infections, seem to clear on their own within a couple years. But for people whose infection does not go away, they face a higher risk of cancer.

Clinicians currently have no standardized way to test for other types of HPV infection outside of the cervix, and the virus's progression to cancer remains somewhat of a mystery. "We know quite a lot about the natural history of the HPV infection of the cervix," says Maura Gillison, a professor of internal medicine and epidemiology at The Ohio State University Medical Center. But, for other sites, "there's very little information."...
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:14 AM
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32. Damn, there's few enough guys that will do it right...
...let's not discourage them further. :P
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:43 AM
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33. So if the number of partners is exactly One...no risk? n/t
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:58 AM
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35. If you both were virgins, then yes, no problem...nt
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 12:50 AM
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45. What if she was a virgin and he had had one partner before...
...but not the whole oral thing?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:55 AM
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34. More good reasons to get the vaccine, for both females and males.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 07:34 AM
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42. "Name me any form of human activity and I'll find you a group of doctors against it"
According to the people that panic at every new study about some kind of risk, I should have died 30 years ago.

The most dangerous day of your life is your last one-that's the day you found something you couldn't beat.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:06 AM
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44. There was a big thread on this a few days ago...
this is true: high incidence of DEVASTATING throat cancer...it's not funny and joking about it, making dick jokes, is akin to making jokes about breast cancer or AIDS AFAIC.
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