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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:17 PM
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Why Didn't Any BANKSTERS Go To JAIL? -- And Other Mysteries Of The U.S. Political Economy

:smoke: :smoke:



To answer that initial question by Bill Maher, Matt Taibbi responded with a rhetorical question:



"How much drug enforcement would there be in this country if every top-ranking narc had a $2 million-a-year job waiting for them with the local drug dealer after they left government service?" (After their careers on "the Hill," lot of former members of Congress go to work as lobbyists for the financial industry, receiving about that same amount of money.)


Bill Maher: So tell us in simple terms why the banksters belong in jail?


Matt's reply, nearly verbatim:


All the banks were broadly involved in a criminal fraud scheme that involved the selling of mis-marked mortgage-backed securities. These securities were composed of toxic, crappy sub-prime mortgages that they were waving a bunch of phony-baloney ratings over (like using some kind of "magic wand') and then selling them off to pension funds, insurance companies, and banks around the world. They were "wanded' (fraudulently labeled) as AAA-rated securities, which were by no means really anything close to AAA quality-- far from it. It was like selling oregano, claiming it was high-quality marijuana, and doing it on a massive, massive scale, to thousands of defrauded buyers.


When it comes to financial fraud, the banksters in the financial services industry far outdid Bernie Madoff, who was just doing a simple, age-old Ponzi scheme. In contrast to that, the Wall Street banksters were doing something on a vastly larger scale, cheating vastly larger numbers of people than Bernie ever cheated. Theirs was a much, much bigger operation. As a result, millions of Americans went into foreclosure and a great many lost their homes, just as millions more probably will. Millions more lost their jobs, in part because of the falling real estate values and the greatly reduced spending of those whose home values went way south, with many of them eventually losing their homes or fearing they might. Meanwhile, the banksters who sold these folks the predatory loans are still living like Pablo Escobar, another very successful criminal. But unlike Escobar, virtually none of the banksters have gone to jail, nor will they. Plus, the likelihood is strong that that all of them will continue to keep the trillions they stole from us. Angelo Mozillo from Countrywide Financial was the only bankster to come close to getting time behind bars and he got off with a $45 million fine and a promise to never again serve as the director of a large institution. So yes crime pays in the United States, at least for banksters and those in government who pave their way.


Who are some of the other Mubarak-level bankster/looters in this country?


Dick Fuld from Lehman Brothers got away with $500 million of essentially stolen money. He cashed out before his company went down. He undoubtedly knew what was going to happen and pulled his cash out of his company while telling his investors that everything was fine. Alan Greenspan played a huge role in the bubbles that developed: first the tech bubble in the 90s and then the mortgage bubble that we just went through. And as Taibbi reminds us, every time Wall Street screws up (by making reckless investment gambles), the banksters get to go back to the Fed and borrow as much money as they need, to start the game all over again! They go to the Fed and borrow money at essentially zero percent interest and then lend it back to the American people at (credit card) rates that often approach 20 or 30%, and gamble much of the rest in the stock- and derivatives markets.


cont'


http://www.opednews.com/articles/Why-didn-t-any-banksters-g-by-Richard-Clark-110220-659.html



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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:23 PM
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1. the people will have to revolt
Holder will do nothing
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Badfish Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:19 AM
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21. Holder is investigating.
those hacks Matt and Bill didn't feel the need to mention this.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:26 AM
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23. Taibbi's no hack.
So far, Holder's put more whistleblowers behind bars than banksters.
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Badfish Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:32 AM
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24. BS.
He wrote an article about the banksters not going to jail. and then marched around the news channels complaining.

But NEVER mentions in his article or interviews that Holder is investigating banksters.

Wouldn't an investigation into the banksters be news worthy if you are writing about the banksters crimes ?

The guy is a hack.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:57 AM
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27. How many years has Holder had to put banksters in jail? And he's just starting to investigate?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:22 PM
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36. the trouble is that there is a five year statute of limitation on
most bank fraud which is what they are pressing.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 06:05 PM
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47. then give it
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:15 PM
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34. Holder is investigating? Do you have a link to that information?
As I recall, King Henry Paulson extorted trillions from the tax payers to save their rear ends, and now they are trying tro make the people pay even more of their gambling debts. Why are people going along with this?

Matt Taibbi is no hack, where did you get that from?
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 06:07 PM
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48. yeah & the Patriot Act gave powers to jail anyon 4 extensive economic
disruption..........yet Obama Inc. hasn't used them.........
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 06:34 PM
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49. " Economic disruption "?? You are being waaay too kind with your description.
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 07:05 PM by Segami
Lets try ' ECONOMIC DOMESTIC TERRORISM or CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY '. For the last 10 ten years, I have heard politicians, econo-pundits, journalists, media talking heads et al repeat ( ad nauseam ) that 911 was a TERRORIST ATTACK levied against our Capitalist financial system.

Then WHY are they considered ' terrorists ' while the criminal banksters responsible for causing the current depression have not been labeled ' domestic terrorists' and haven't so much as been charge for a single parking ticket?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 02:24 AM
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52. Yes, I see no link, so I guess there are no investigations.
I couldn't imagine I had missed news like that which would a major story were it to happen.

Good point about the Patriot Act. I hope one day someone will have the guts to go after those traitors who sold this country out. But I doubt it will be anytime soon.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:28 PM
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2. Those with the money make the rules
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:29 PM
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3. Recommend!
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:33 PM
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4. If we want justice here, we'll have to get it ourselves.
Live outside the law, die outside the law.

Just sayin'.
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Captain Beefheart Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 10:50 AM
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31. 1971 Ford Pinto

1971 Ford Pinto


Money Quote: “They shoot horses, don't they? Well, this is fish in a barrel. Of course the Pinto goes on the Worst list, but not because it was a particularly bad car — not particularly — but because it had a rather volatile nature. The car tended to erupt in flame in rear-end collisions. The Pinto is at the end of one of autodom's most notorious paper trails, the Ford Pinto memo , which ruthlessly calculates the cost of reinforcing the rear end ($121 million) versus the potential payout to victims ($50 million). Conclusion? Let 'em burn.”

The MBS is the ultimate defective product. Massive failure rate blamed on their incorrect use. Any other “innovative” product with a failure rate similar to MBS would have lawyers lined up for blocks.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 11:57 PM
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5. Will that question ever be answered??
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:06 AM
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16. The MSM should hound Obama with this very question at EVERY press conference attended.
Obama needs to provide direct answers ( not just airy, fluffy political double-talk ) to those who have lost their livelihoods ( as a direct result of the banksters criminal actions) as to why the DoJ has NOT to date levied any criminal charges against the bankersters & scam artists who knowingly schemed to subvert the law. He needs to address why such ' defense reasons ' given by the banksters were acceptable to the DoJ and sufficient enough to avert criminal charges or prison time? Are the same ' precedent-setting, get-out-of-jail reasons ' used by the banksters also a ' reasonable defense ' that can be used by the rest of us should we ever consider breaking the very same laws or will we be charged?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:15 PM
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39. +1000
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:06 AM
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6. Remember how they made that big case against Martha Stewart?
Yeah, that was really important. Much more important than all the bankers stealing billions.

:sarcasm:
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:09 AM
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7. That was probably someone doing an omage to a line from fight club.
Not saying she does not have issues, but you make a good point, probably targeted justice, not justice.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:24 AM
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8. I think her being the target was because she had given hundreds of thousands
to the Dems over the years. The Rethugs couldn't wait to go after her. And the sum involved? Something close to 20K.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 09:14 AM
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28. Here is the Martha Stewart Case time line.
:smoke:

Martha Stewart sold her ImClone stock on December 27, 2001 and was charged and reported to jail on OCTOBER 8, 2004

Thats a total of 2 YEARS and 10 MONTHS ( not counting December 27 )


So in 2 years and 10 months, the DoJ was able to investigate, conduct a trial, sentence and jail Martha Stewart within that period of time.

WHY haven't any banksters been charged by the DoJ for the magnitude of the crimes commited after 3 YEARS?





Stock trading case and conviction


Main article: ImClone stock trading case



DECEMBER 27, 2001:

According to U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), Stewart avoided a loss of $45,673 by selling all 3,928 shares of her ImClone Systems stock on December 27, 2001, after receiving material, nonpublic information from Peter Bacanovic, who was Stewart's broker at Merrill Lynch. The day following her sale, the stock value fell 16%.

In the months that followed, Stewart drew heavy media scrutiny, including a Newsweek cover headlined "Martha's Mess". Notably, on June 25, 2002, CBS anchor Jane Clayson grilled Stewart on the air about ImClone during her regular segment on The Early Show. Stewart continued chopping cabbage and famously quipped, "I just want to focus on my salad". On October 3, 2002, Stewart resigned her position, held for four months, on the board of directors of the New York Stock Exchange, following a deal prosecutors had made with Douglas Faneuil, an assistant to Bacanovic.



JUNE 4, 2003:

On June 4, 2003, Stewart was indicted by the government on nine counts, including charges of securities fraud and obstruction of justice. Stewart voluntarily stepped down as CEO and Chairwoman of MSLO, but stayed on as chief creative officer.



JANUARY 2004:

She went on trial in January 2004. Prosecutors showed that Bacanovic had ordered his assistant to tell Stewart that the CEO of ImClone, Samuel D. Waksal, was selling all his shares in advance of an adverse Food and Drug Administration ruling. The FDA action was expected to cause ImClone shares to decline. After a highly publicized five-week jury trial that was the most closely watched of a wave of corporate fraud trials,



MARCH 2004:

Stewart was found guilty in March 2004 of conspiracy, obstruction of an agency proceeding, and making false statements to federal investigators.



JULY 2004:

She was sentenced in July 2004 to serve a five month term in a federal correctional facility and a two year period of supervised release (to include five months of electronic monitoring).



OCTOBER 8, 2004:

Cedarbaum ordered Stewart to report to her prison sentence before 2 pm on October 8, 2004. By September 27, 2004, Stewart received the BOP ID 55170-054. At about 6:15 am on October 8, 2004, she reported to FPC Alderson.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart



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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:22 PM
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32. trillion not billions
24 trillion
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:27 PM
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38. Thanks. n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:31 AM
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9. Geithner - head of the NY Fed since 2003 probably has some clues. n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 12:46 AM
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10. This story is just as important as the events in Madison and the Middle East.
Why do I rate this story so highly?

I have talked to many of my friends about their economic problems, about difficulty in finding a job, difficulty in paying off a mortgage, failure of their business, inability to earn enough to pay the rent and eat and other financial difficulties.

And all of them blame themselves. My friends who can't get jobs think it is because they aren't trying hard enough or because they aren't in the right field or don't have the right qualifications. My friends who can't pay their mortgages don't know what happened to them. They don't understand the fraud that took place. They actually think that their mortgage brokers were giving them a break when the brokers were actually committing fraud. And the people whose businesses failed thought they were doing the right thing when they borrowed against their homes or maxed out credit cards so they could continue to pay their employees. They are losing their homes and have lost their businesses. As for people working long hours but not making enough to live on, they think they should be taking second jobs, making do with less, cutting back when there is no way they can catch up because the bankers are grabbing, grabbing, grabbing.

Very few people see the big picture.

Even here on DU where we talk about these issues quite often, contributors can't see the role that the Obama administration and the Justice Department are playing in perpetuating the fraud and even encouraging more of it.

The protests around the world and Taibbi's points are linked. The bankers are sucking the blood out of our country and the poor and middle classes around the world. This story needs a lot more attention. We'll all be sorry if these bankers are not called to answer for their crimes.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 09:52 AM
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30. I agree.
:thumbsup:
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:45 PM
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40. +1000
Taibbi is one of the few honest journalists around
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:07 AM
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11. Everything's fucked up and nobody goes to jail
March 3, 2011
Rolling Stone

Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?
By Matt Taibbi

Over drinks at a bar on a dreary, snowy night in Washington this past month, a former Senate investigator laughed as he polished off his beer.

"Everything's fucked up, and nobody goes to jail," he said. "That's your whole story right there. Hell, you don't even have to write the rest of it. Just write that."

I put down my notebook. "Just that?"

"That's right," he said, signaling to the waitress for the check. "Everything's fucked up, and nobody goes to jail. You can end the piece right there."

Nobody goes to jail. This is the mantra of the financial-crisis era, one that saw virtually every major bank and financial company on Wall Street embroiled in obscene criminal scandals that impoverished millions and collectively destroyed hundreds of billions, in fact, trillions of dollars of the world's wealth — and nobody went to jail. Nobody, that is, except Bernie Madoff, a flamboyant and pathological celebrity con artist, whose victims happened to be other rich and famous people.

This article appears in the March 3, 2011 issue of Rolling Stone.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216">Read the rest

http://www.amazon.com/Griftopia-Machines-Vampire-Breaking-America/dp/0385529953">His book is also worth reading.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:09 AM
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12. kr
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:12 AM
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13. hummmm? let me think here
who was in charge of DoJ for the last 2 years?
who is in charge of DoJ for the next 2 years?

so it goes. unacceptable.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:27 AM
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14. K&R
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 02:58 AM
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15. Them that has the gold makes the rules.
Edited on Mon Feb-21-11 02:59 AM by avaistheone1
They have bought off the government from the top on down.

And they don't give a damn about the law unless it is in their favor.

Laws are just for little people in their opinion.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:11 AM
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17. Well, 10 years ago I knew of the Enron folks could get away with it
others would as well, only easier...
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Badfish Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:14 AM
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18. Matt and Bill are frauds...
Not once did they bring up the JD has a serious investigation going on right now.

They wanted to act as if nothing is happening.

Matt is always spinning.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:17 AM
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20. Frauds compared to what?
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Badfish Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:20 AM
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22. Does he mention the investigation in his article ?
How about on the Bill Mahr show ?

Is ANYBODY in that industry ever charged before an investigation takes place ?

Matt knew the truth , and didn't tell you about it.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:11 PM
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33. What investigation for Christ sake??
Yeah, A little blurb here and there about an investigation. That's it and believe me, nothing will come of it
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:56 AM
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26. I wonder if you could provide a link to where Holder said there was
an ongoing investigation, serious or otherwise. IMO, and judging by his actions so far, Holder is a useless piece of work and NONE of those criminals will ever be brought to justice if he has anything to say about it. Some of the people who perpetrated this mess are in the Obama administration. Do you think they'll ever be charged with anything? Don't make me laugh!

Holder can hide behind "we're doing an investigation" till the cows come home. It means nothing. It's just stonewalling. I read Matt's article and he lays it out quite clearly. Furthermore, many people have been screaming chapter and verse about the fraud for YEARS. I don't believe Holder has any intention of this going anywhere.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:18 PM
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35. Can you provide some information on this investigation please?
And why is it taking so long? Iceland eg, has already arrested and begun prosecutions against their fraudulent bankers. Same thing in Ireland, but I must have missed the news that anything is being done here to find the money stolen from the American people. I would appreciate a link to this important information.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:24 PM
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37. Do you have a link with some information regarding this serious investigation
you claim the JD has undertaken? :shrug:



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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:51 PM
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42. Waiting..
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:56 PM
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44. LOL!
:thumbsup:
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:47 PM
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41. quack
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:16 AM
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19. Recommend
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:33 AM
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25. The DOJ is la la la,
acting as if there was no fraud.

At this point in our history just about any act of civil disobedience would be justified. Of course they are just looking for an excuse to use the "Patriot Act" for its true purpose.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 09:31 AM
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29. .
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:53 PM
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43. That's outrageous. All I have to say is
,



















ttt
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:43 PM
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45. They don't go to jail because they are friends of Obama's.
The political class doesn't want them to go to jail, so they won't.

The political class depends on their money, so in order to get that money, they will look the other way and allow any and all crimes committed by wall street, no matter how blatant and no matter how many Americans suffer as a result.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 05:54 PM
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46. and so called "populist" conservatives provide cover
blaming the victims and opposing any attempt to hold the banksters responsible because "socialism " and "class warfare".

These guys even manage to say how much they hated TARP while doing it.

If not for the teabagging astro turf providing cover, the banksters probably could not have gotten away with it so cleanly.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:35 PM
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50. Bill Black is not holding his breath regarding DOJ prosecutions either, and he explains why.
William K. Black (at New Deal 2.0)

2011 Will Bring More de Facto Decriminalization of Elite Financial Fraud


http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/12/28/in-2011-watch-for-more-de-facto-decriminalization-of-elite-financial-fraud-31135/

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 08:38 PM
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51. The Federalist Society, appointment by bribed pols, (k*r)
board memberships, jobs for their family, jobs for friends, etc. etc.

It's the old dough rae me!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 03:17 AM
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53. Because Obama stated; "we must look forward not backward"
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 11:19 AM
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54. .
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