So now that the DLC has closed up shop.

[white_wolf]

I think it is time for the Left to start running candidates against the blue dogs in the party's primaries. Perhaps now that the DLC has closed up shop there won't be as much money to go to the centrist candidates and we can start building up a left wing movement again. Personally I'm looking for one of the leaders in the WI protests to emerge, we need people like them in Congress. I think having members of Labor Unions in D.C. would really benefit middle class Americans, because most of Congress are millionaires.

[zaj]

1. Are you planning on primarying Gabby?

[white_wolf]

19. I wasn't sure if I should respond to this or not

and I'm still not sure but here goes. Yes if Gabby supports republican polices than yes I would say we need to primary her. I have nothing but sympathy and well wishes for her recovery but that does not mean I have to agree with her polices. By the way nice move though picking her instead of any of the other Blue Dogs, kind of a cheap shot in my opinion.

[eilen]

36. I truly hope she recovers

However, I think Arizona needs some representation as well. The extent of her brain injury indicates that she won't be able to run the next election. I think her husband should run.

[pnwmom]

2. Right. Let's depose more blue dogs so more Rethugs can win the general.

That really works.

:sarcasm:

[white_wolf]

4. Okay

lets just the let the party keep moving to the Right because triangulation has worked so well for us.

[AlabamaLibrul]

5. +1 we either force the decision on an actual difference in issues, or get annexed into

the Republican party.

[defendandprotect]

9. We need to stop the FEAR-based thinking -- move to the LEFT doesn't include moving to the right--!!

Might take a little while to turn around this Titanic whorehouse of a government --

but we have a huge bloc of liberal voters -- and long time non voters -- and 2010

stay-at-homes -- and liberals in third parties -- which will come out to vote given

a re-establishment of liberal values by the party.

Let's also face it -- 2010 showed that for every corporate $7 the GOP pulled in --

Democrats got $1 --

in a way that's real good news if you think about it!!

We can easily return to being the party without "poo on our shoe" as Pelosi last

described the GOP corporate whoredom!!

[white_wolf]

14. GOP corporate whoredom! I love it.

That describes them perfectly. That or Wiener when he said their all "wholly owned subsidiary's of corporate America."

[JDPriestly]

13. Let's get our message out there.

What good does it do to win an election if those we elect on our side doe not represent us, do not fight for us?

George Bush started the Iraq War with the support of a lot DLC Democrats like Hillary Clinton. Did the fact that Hillary voted for it make that war a better war? Did it make our country a better country? Did it make the world a better place?

Democrats who vote like Republicans, who support big business and do not support the interests of the average American do just as much harm in Congress as do Republicans who support big business and do not support the interests of the average American.

[pnwmom]

3. You honestly think someone more to the left than Feingold can win?

In Wisconsin?

[DJ13]

6. There used to be a time that right wing fascists (like the GOP) would never win

The answer isnt to follow in their footsteps just to get more conservative D's in office, but to start illustrating why the liberal positions would be important to the average voter regardless of recent voting patterns.

Blue dogs are only Democrats when they feel like it.

[defendandprotect]

15. Average voters supported single payer/goverment run h/c by 76%+ and was still rising!!

Even Catholics support not only single payer/government run health care --

but they want reproductive care as well -- including CHOICE/by 51%

That's why the Catholic Bishops were chasing Pelosi around -- including a phone

call from Rome. Catholics are following their own conscience on birth control and

abortion -- as Pope John XXIII/Vatican II told them they had the right to do!

Just as many Catholic women as any other women are having abortions.

This is a liberal nation -- only thing right wing about it is what right wing wealthy

can BUY!! And, obviously, our government was put up for sale!!


Here's what we have to remember about Naomi Klein and "Shock & Awe" -- all of the issues

were settled long ago! Our only shock should be that the right wing elites have BOUGHT

so much of our government that they are able to take these issues off the shelves again

and pretend they're brandy new!!

Every one of these damned issues -- from TORTURE to LABOR UNIONS -- are old and Americans

long ago voted against torture and created military law against it and signed Geneva Accords.

Same with Labor Unions -- long ago we understood the right of labor to unionize.

This is simply the snake slithering thru the grass once more!!


Know what the issues are before they're thrown at you -- and have confidence that this is

a liberal nation! If it weren't the right wing wouldn't have to buy everything -- including

our elected officials and everything else from Christian Coalition to "pro-life" murderers.

From GOPs/NRA to sending in Mafia to break up unions!







THANK YOU FOR THE HEARTS -- AND :hug: BACK TO EACH OF YOU -- !

[white_wolf]

17. 76%. Could I have a link to that poll?

I've heard that before but I'd love to have an actual link to so my conservative friend how wrong he is. As for us being a Liberal nation our biggest problem is indeed corporate money. We need to repeal Citizens United and pass pubic campaign financing and I bet things would change really fast.

[defendandprotect]

20. Here's the NYT when it was at 72% -- but it was at 76%+ and still rising at time of vote --!!

Here: NYTimes, June 20, 2009: 72% support Medicare-like program for all

Posted by RainDog
This was a New York Times/CBS News poll.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll....

The poll found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector.

The national telephone survey, which was conducted from June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan — something like Medicare for those under 65 — that would compete for customers with private insurers. Twenty percent said they were opposed.

...Sixty-four percent said they thought the federal government should guarantee coverage, a figure that has stayed steady all decade. Nearly 6 in 10 said they would be willing to pay higher taxes to make sure that all were insured, with 4 in 10 willing to pay as much as $500 more a year.

---------------

There are better articles on this -- but I'm sure this will do for now.

Also, figures on Catholics I've posted many times before --

you could check my journal --

but overall support was 73% for -- 83% when Latino Cathlics added in

and this included reproductive health care sevices!!

Everything from pre-post natal care 95/97, HIV/AIDS testing 86/92, Contraception 63/67,

CONDOMS to prevent HIV/AIDS 51/57-- and government or private insurance for ABORTION -- i.e.,

when a pregnancy threatened life of woman 84/87, when results from rape/incest 76/80,

poses a long term health risk for woman 73/77, when fetus has severe abnormal condition 66/71,

when a woman and doctor decide appropriate -- i.e., simple CHOICE 50/53.

[defendandprotect]

24. Here's some more info on just how liberal Americans are -- taboo subject--!!

And that's really why right wing has to buy and control so much of everything!!!


Majority of Americans Want Swedish-Style Democracy and Income (Tax) Redistribution
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/poll-wealth-distribu... /


Americans generally underestimate the degree of income inequality in the United States, and if given a choice, would distribute wealth in a similar way to the social democracies of Scandinavia, a new study finds.

For decades, polls have shown that a plurality of Americans -- around 40 percent -- consider themselves conservative, while only around 20 percent self-identify as liberals. But a new study from two noted economists casts doubt on what values lie beneath those political labels.

According to research (PDF at link) carried out by Michael I. Norton of Harvard Business School and Dan Ariely of Duke University, and flagged by Paul Kedrosky at the Infectious Greed blog, 92 percent of Americans would choose to live in a society with far less income disparity than the US, choosing Sweden's model over that of the US.

What's more, the study's authors say that this applies to people of all income levels and all political leanings: The poor and the rich, Democrats and Republicans are all equally likely to choose the Swedish model.


In other words, if Americans don't see a label meant to scare them, the majority want social democracy in this nation.

70% of Americans want universal health care.

70% of Americans want legal medical marijuana.

Yet what do you hear and read about in the American media? The Dick Armey teabagger pov. The Koch brother DLC pov. The tears of that clown, Glenn Beck. You read lies from the DEA. You hear the Republicans want to continue cutting taxes for the rich (along with some of their blue dog buddies... you know who you are, you scum.)

If I were a teacher and I was grading American politicians and media they would get an F.

They continually fail the American people. I, for one, have HAD IT.

Democrats have the majority. We have the executive branch. Americans want good government that represents the will of the people, not this forced wage slavery that is the Reagan legacy.

[defendandprotect]

10. Could FDR win in Wisconsin?

I sure think so!!

[MannyGoldstein]

30. I think so too! nt

[girl gone mad]

16. Yes, if they ran against Obama's agenda..

instead of running for it, as Feingold did.

The President's unfavorables in WI clearly hurt Feingold.

[defendandprotect]

21. Well, I think Sen. Bernie Sanders is about as close as we can come to FDR right now ...

We can draft Bernie Sanders and he can run on a Dem ticket --

How about Tom Hayden for VP?

Candidates who are strongly anti-war should be the next two up!!

[white_wolf]

22. The only problem with Sanders

is he is getting rather old he may not want to run. I'm sure he wants to retire eventually, though he would be perfect. If not him though how about Anthony Weiner or Grayson?

[defendandprotect]

25. How old was Ronnie Reagan?

and he had Alzheimer's--!!!

Otoh, W Bush was quite young -- and quite inhumane -- corrupt and criminal--!!

[white_wolf]

26. Good point

and Mccain is even older I think.

[defendandprotect]

28. Weiner or Grayson ... ???

Love both of them --

However, I'd still prefer Bernie Sanders --

We need people imo who aren't actually in the system --

Bernie is a definite outsider --

so is Tom Hayden --

Wm. Greider -- anyone who could run on the Dem ticket -

Preferably someone with a big mouth!!

[white_wolf]

31. Well in all fairness

Grayson didn't get reelected so sadly he is about as outside the system as one can get.

[defendandprotect]

39. True re Grayson --

who I recall also attacking the party -- ? Am I wrong --

Has Weiner done that?

Anyway -- we should have dozens and dozens of names --

Question comes down to "Who do we trust?" --

How many trusted Obama?

We can't afford another two years of this leave alone Obama running again in 2012, imo!

But again -- there should be dozens of names --

Though obviously they have been destroying liberal leadership before it can even rise --!!

[pnwmom]

38. What hurt Feingold was the teabagger's millions.

Feingold couldn't compete with that; it wouldn't have helped him to be more progressive.

[EFerrari]

27. It has nothing to do with how to the left Russ was.

It was about all the money they threw against him.

Russ is no radical lefty, in any case unless honest is the new radical left.

[defendandprotect]

29. +1 --

which is why I think in 2012, Dems have to stand up AGAINST corporate money --

imo, it's the only way --

I've mentioned this before, as well --

In 2010, for every $7 GOP got from corporates -- Dems got $1 --

Obviously, not a winning position for the Dems -- unless they have more souls to sell

at higher prices?

:evilgrin:

[Oilwellian]

7. Who needs the DLC when...

they have total control of the DNC?

[white_wolf]

8. True

sometimes I wonder if the Democratic party is beyond saving.

[defendandprotect]

11. Are liberal Dems funding the DNC?

I'd guess that based on policy, most aren't!

[white_wolf]

12. I just don't see the point in having a Dem in office

if they vote with republicans whenever they want to. If we had a true Left wing party we would have Single-payer by now, Unions would be protected, Schools would actually receive decent funding and corporations wouldn't run our country.

[defendandprotect]

18. Used to be the GOP were the "destroyers" --

[upi402]

23. The point is to disenfranchise Democratic voters

It prevents us from voting Democratic when there's a Republican in both parties.

I hate the DLC, but Merely disagree with rational Republicans. Traitors are worse than opponents in my book.

[Cleita]

32. I don't think they have gone away.

They are just regrouping and relabeling themselves. Unfortunately, real Democrats have a hard time raising the obscene amounts of money needed to run for office that the corporate Democrats can get.

[Dragonfli]

33. Didn't they just change their name to Third Way? I thought that was what happened to the DLC

[chill_wind]

34. Third Way. New Dem. They can't quite decide.

Whatever's become or not of their money machine, their PPI Think Tank is still intact.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=455130&mesg_id=458601

[apocalypsehow]

35. It *was* such a good bogeyman for so long, wasn't it?

:eyes:

[blindpig]

37. They closed shop because their mission is accomplished.

The last identifiable vestige of the New Deal has been purged from the Democratic Party. The lip service will continue but will be so tissue thin as to be totally laughable.

It is Woodrow Wilson's party again.

[Umbral]

40. The DLC hasn't gone away, they're just too busy running the country to maintain the website. nt