Obama: "We are honored to be joined here today by a champion of education reform -- Jeb Bush"

[Better Believe It]

Remarks by the President at Miami Central High School in Miami, Florida

"We are also honored to be joined here today by another champion of education reform, somebody who championed reform when he was in office, somebody who is now championing reform as a private citizen -- Jeb Bush. (Applause.) And we are grateful -- we're grateful for him being here."

I think that pretty much says all that needs to be said about President Obama's embrace of the right-wing Republican leader.

Just let President Obama speak for himself.

But some may respond with weak political excuses justifying such behavior.

Like, it's just practical centrist politics or do you think President Obama should have punched Bush in the face and other nonsense.

[ixion]

1. k/r

despite the unrec wonks

[Cal33]

189. Of course it's politics -- a la Obama. He knows damn well that the

Repubs. are trying to destroy his administration, even as he is "being grateful" to Jeb Bush.
This is nothing personal. The Repubs. have tried and will continue to try to destroy any
Democratic president through any means, both fair and foul.

Obama may be obsessed with the idea of "bipartisanship." There never will be bipartisanship
-- not with the so-called present-day Republicans, the NeoConservatives.

[U4ikLefty]

2. la la la la la....can't hear you!!!!

Do you want Palin in 2012?!?1?!

[jefferson_dem]

59. Quite the contrary...

The more unhinged some of my "Obama can do no right" friends get about things like today's event ...

the better I feel about his chances in 2012.

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[Enthusiast]

136. That worked so well for the midterms.

:eyes:

[grahamhgreen]

149. LOL

He is being led on by the corporatists right now, 6 months before the election they will launch the greatest smear campaign against him we have ever witnessed.

[obxhead]

171. The really sick part is they will smear him for everything they

intend to continue when they get full control.

[MasonJar]

292. So it's okay if Obama makes a mockery of everything we all hold

sacred as long as he gets reelected. Is that your point in this comment? If so, it obviously matches Obama's mantra to a fault.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

303. EXACTLY!!! n/t

[DeSwiss]

277. LOL!!!

- K&R

[somone]

3. The guy who stole the 2000 election for his brother

[Better Believe It]

7. Did they hug or just shake hands?

I wouldn't worry too much unless they engaged in a full bi-partisan body embrace.

:)

[rucognizant]

133. Oh yeh!

The guy whose brother Neil is peddling that obnoxious "learn by rote software", Ignite, housed in a purple cow that their Mother is cramming down the throats of TX schools.

[SpartanDem]

4. So you focus on a meaningless platitude

rather than the substance of the speech about not cutting education funding. Why am I not surprised

[Better Believe It]

11. You clearly didn't read his speech. He proposed cuts in excessive entitlement spending!

The White House

Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release March 04, 2011
Remarks by the President at Miami Central High School in Miami, Florida
Miami Central High School
Miami, Florida

"So what I’ve done is I’ve called for a five-year freeze on annual domestic spending -– and that freeze would cut the deficit by more than $400 billion over the next decade, and it will bring that kind of spending to a lower share of our economy than has been true for the last 50 years. To achieve those savings, we’ve proposed eliminating more than 200 federal programs. We’re freezing the salaries of hardworking civil servants for the next two years. We’re finding ways to save billions of dollars, of tax dollars, by selling, for example, 14,000 government properties that we don’t need anymore.

And that’s just a start. If we’re serious about tackling our long-run fiscal challenges, we’re going to have to cut excessive spending wherever we find it -– in defense spending, in spending on entitlements, spending through tax breaks and loopholes. And I’m going to be sitting down with Democrats and Republicans to figure out how we can reduce our deficits."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/03/04/remarks-president-miami-central-high-school-miami-florida

[Enthusiast]

138. Yes, older Americans will

come out in droves to vote knowing their social security and medicare is safe with Obama.:eyes:

[old mark]

139. ...I must have missed the part about increasing taxes for the rich...

but I am SURE it is in there somewhere...after all, he IS a progressive Democratic Leader!
:eyes:

mark

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[LWolf]

148. +1

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[Starry Messenger]

5. Puke.

[golddigger]

6. I'm way beyond disgusted.

[TBF]

8. It's intergalactic chess and you don't understand.

O8)

[robinlynne]

18. yeah.

[bobbolink]

52. Stop demanding a pony, and it will all become clear.

:puke:

[Exultant Democracy]

106. It's 11 dimensional chess according to the Obama-M-theory, duh. Get your facts straight.

;-)

[Johonny]

187. feels like the chess pieces keep getting shoved up my *

[Divernan]

205. Amen to that, brother!

[whatchamacallit]

215. LOL! n/t

[MissDeeds]

239. Right

And we're supposed to take it and like it - and vote for more of it in 2012!!!!

[CoffeeCat]

270. and believe all of the 2012 campaign promises!

Yeah. I believed Obama in 2008. Ohhhhhh boy, did I believe in "change".

I can't even imagine believing anything that ANY politician has to say in 2012.

What will Obama's 2012 slogan be? How about, "Change! This time we really mean it!"

[Jamastiene]

335. Thank you, sir, can I have another?

That's EXACTLY what they are saying we have to do. Makes me sick.

[TBF]

317. Yeah no kidding. nt

[Jamastiene]

334. You never really loved him.

:cry:

[democrank]

9. Greatness runs in the Bush family.

George W. Bush was a heroic fighter pilot during the Vietnam War. He later brought freedom to Iraq and rescued the entire Gulf Region from a terrible hurricane. His mother, Barbara, is warm and deeply compassionate. President Obama knows a champion when he sees one.

[WinkyDink]

63. And politeness.

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[Dappleganger]

12. Oh, wait--I know this chess move!

It's called "Throw your teachers and kids under the bus".

And I don't need a damn picture, he told us himself just what he thinks of Jeb and his "reform."

[Poboy]

29. How about we rearrange the pieces so we know where we stand?

[Dappleganger]

47. Exactly what it is!

[Bluebear]

347. .

[Sherman A1]

108. +1

:banghead:

[Bluebear]

344. .

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[Lasher]

22. I couldn't agree more.

How badly we need a champion who is neither a neocon nor a neoliberal!

[ProSense]

23. "cold-blooded murderers that harm the USA."

So you think the President is a "cold-blooded murderer"? I don't suppose you plan on voting for him in 2012?

[slay]

24. He escalated a pointless war in Afghanistan. You think people haven't DIED because of his actions?

And contrary to popular belief - we are still in Iraq! And Obama has covered up the WAR CRIMES of the Bush Administration - which is itself a war crime.

I don't know who i'm going to vote for yet in 2012 (you won't get me kicked off DU using that little trick) and since there haven't been any primaries yet I am still free to say - according to DU rules - that I plan to vote for whoever runs against Obama in the 2012 Dem primary - at the least.


*on edit - also - way to totally misrepresent what the person you were replying to was saying. hope you didn't hurt yourself bending over so far to cherry pick that one line from his post. :eyes:

[ProSense]

27. Afghanistan makes him a "cold-blooded murder"?

So then every fucking President was/is a murderer.

[slay]

31. I know where you stand - clearly 100% behind Obama - it's no secret -and it's no secret that I don't

but i'm not going to continue this argument with you ProSense. You picked one line out of that guy's post and ignored the rest. If that's what you've had to resort to to prop up Obama, well, that's just sad.

[ProSense]

If that means

I don't plan to spend the next two years picking boilerplate quotes out of his speeches to gin up anti-Obama hate, you're damn right.

This shit is pathetic.

I could scream I hate Jeb Bush and the President shouldn't be meeting with him (he met with Kissinger too) but hi-fiving some of the vile shit is ridiculous.

[ixion]

45. The phrase "Obama hate" discredits your premise...

just sayin'...

[ProSense]

57. Calling someone a "cold-blooded murderer" isn't an endearing term

just sayin'...

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[Bodhi BloodWave]

123. so where on the scale do you put somebody calling obama a 'cold blooded murderer'? n/t

[Occulus]

132. Because that's the same thing as legitimate criticism.

Sorry, not going to bite.

[ixion]

124. "Personally, I don't think they're on our side at all."

spot on, that.

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[frylock]

226. boilerplate you can beleive in

[jakeXT]

35. If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.

by Noam Chomsky
http://www.chomsky.info/talks/1990----.htm

I thought that was common knowledge

[ProSense]

37. Well start a campaign

I don't hear anyone advocating that Clinton or Carter be hanged. There have, however, been calls for Obama to be like LBJ.

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[Amonester]

328. Yeah, but I believed in 'change' and I hoped.

Silly me.

[Ramulux]

66. Yes

The decisions he has made have directly resulted in the meaningless deaths of innocent lives all over the middle east.

I would like to see how someone would explain to the mother of a child who died in a drone attack, that the commander in chief of the armed forces who ordered that attack, wasn't directly responsible for her child''s death.

Obama condones and has escalated policy which results in the death of innocents, that's an empirical fact.

[Luminous Animal]

111. Pretty much. Yes.

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[walldude]

248. Every President who has ordered troops to fire on people

who have not attacked us... has blood on their hands. Maybe not murder... but war crimes.

I suppose those 9 kids who were killed in a MISTAKEN drone attack are just "collateral damage".

Obama called the Afhghani complaints about the incident "gripes". Yeah 9 dead kids is a "gripe".

I suppose you have an excuse for him being so callous about the deaths of 9 CHILDREN. I'd like to hear it.

[ProSense]

261. Like I said

start a campaign to charge them all with war crimes. Bush will never be charged, he simply did what all other Presidents did, right?

Message + foot = stomp all over it.

[Foo Fighter]

337. Hey, stop picking on Obama.

I'm sure he'd feel the same way if his kids were killed in a drone attack.

He'd just shrug it off as "collateral damage" and wouldn't gripe about it at all.

Bunch of whiners...just because their kide got killed and all. Suck it up and move on, dammit.

</sarcasm>

"Gripes?" Really, Obama?!? People complaining about their kids being killed are now "gripes?" Good gawd,
how much lower can you stoop to appease your corporate masters?

Much lower, I'm afraid.

[tekisui]

269. Yes and yes.

[PufPuf23]

39. I will vote for POTUS Obama in 2012 if he is my best choice

among "asshats and cold-blooded murderers".

I will vote.

I will not vote GOP.

I will vote Democratic Party.

POTUS Obama lacks integrity and action to meet his misleading rhetoric for my perception of the Democratic Party -- and I am a supporter that expects better. POTUS Obama has not made appointments nor strongly supported Democratic Party core principals. I am older and more scientifically and mathematically educated than Obama.

Do you really think you help the Democratic Party and POTUS Obama here at DU?

[Lorien]

42. +1,000. nt

[tnlefty]

14. Pardon me while I

:puke:

[Octafish]

15. We're beginning to see a pattern, here.

Understandable, entirely.

[Robeson]

16. Absolutely shameful. Pure disgrace.

[msongs]

17. thank gosh he doesn't see Barbara Bush as a truly worthy and fine human being nt

[walldude]

249. LOL.. I assume you saw this right?

"Like the remarkable Barbara Bush, his humility and his decency reflects the very best of the American spirit," Obama told the audience in the White House East Room, which included the former first lady and the Bushes' sons Jeb and Neil. "Those of you who know him: This is a gentleman."

During his Medal Of Freedom award to HW...

[Jamastiene]

336. Geez, don't give him any ideas.

Just give it time. He'll be singing her praises next. :(

[Martin Eden]

20. I have one thing to say about what Obama said:

:puke:

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[neverforget]

25. Jeb Bush champion of education reform. I think I'm going to be sick

:puke:

[erodriguez]

48. Cool I wanna try that

:puke:

[erodriguez]

51. Awesome I did it. I have finally mastered your secret language DU.

:smile:
On second thought, maybe not

[kath]

104. FYI, when you click on "reply" and the window comes up for your message,

under "message options" you will see "smilies lookup table" in blue. Click on this and you will see how to post more smilies than you ever dreamed of!
Such as :bounce: :smoke: :silly: :spank: :scared: :banghead:

[erodriguez]

325. gracias!

[Better Believe It]

326. Yes, thank you. I didn't know that until I read your post!

:dunce:

[LoZoccolo]

26. HE SAID WHAT??!! I guess it's time for me to join the Palin Democrats. n/t

[TBF]

30. Right because there are no other possible options

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

32. I'm waiting for our leader Jane Hamsher to outline the plan. n/t

[slay]

33. I'm sure if you just made yet another :bouncy: Yay Obama thread everything would be better

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

34. I'm not going to continue this argument with you slay. n/t

[ReggieVeggie]

126. what argument?

you're a petulant child

[slay]

330. rofl

my thoughts exactly. :rofl:

[Bluebear]

346. lol

[Bluebear]

83. +

[jefferson_dem]

61. Same here...

I'll await Hamsher's take (or at least some obscure blogger at Common Dreams / WSWS) before jumping to any conclusions.

[tkmorris]

50. Sarah Palin Democrat or a Jeb Bush Democrat... Hmm

Tough call that. Fortunately I don't have to be either one.

[Howler]

28. k&r

K&R

[HockeyMom]

36. Our children and grandchildren are DOOMED

with the likes of these.

[Robeson]

38. Some people here seem to be cool with Jeb Bush....

...hell it's all shits and giggles to them.

[HockeyMom]

41. They must be Floridians

I am not.

[Robeson]

43. A cursory look at this thread...

...will help to identify the usual suspects.

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[Dappleganger]

49. NOT this Floridian!

[Katarina]

128. Floridian here

Born and lived here 45 years and I'm not cool with Jeb Bush.

Champion of education reform my ass :puke:

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[Karmadillo]

44. He was better when he just hung out and voted "Present!"

nt

[dionysus]

178. rezko! rezko!!! messiah!!11!!

:eyes:

[CLANG]

46. Jeb is obviously the next in line.

[somone]

54. Sure looks suspicious

[Robeson]

58. They're our Julio-Claudian dynasty.

[hatrack]

90. But without the intermittent flashes of talent and integrity . . .

:puke:

[Robeson]

91. Indeed.

[rhett o rick]

79. I predict a Bush/Cheney ticket in 2012. Tell me I am wrong. nm

[TicketyBoo]

286. Okay.

You are wrong. Not gonna happen. (At least not in 2012.)

[rhett o rick]

293. Fair enough. Who do you think will run? nm

[madrchsod]

53. obama appointed duncan

there`s no excuse to say they are surprised obama would throw public schools and teacher`s and their union under the bus.

[QC]

55. Is that hope I feel welling up inside me?

No, wait, that's just my gorge rising.

:puke:

[Matariki]

56. The Bush clan is threatening his family. Seriously.

What other explanation is there for this and this?

[rhett o rick]

80. You are a conspiratist, shame, shame.

But i agree.

[Tx4obama]

101. All the ex-presidents get one of those medals, he was just the next in line. n/t

[BlueIris]

166. So? When one asks to be a Democratic presidential nominee, he accepts the fact that it's dangerous.

I'm not saying the alleged threats against his life are acceptable, no president or politician (or anyone else) should be threatened. However, that is no excuse for selling out your Party, your dignity and your integrity. And making those who voted for you look like idiots.

[DutchLiberal]

221. Simple: like Clinton, Obama is a right-wing corporatist who's friends with the Bushes.

[Nay]

256. I can see no other reason for this toadying to the Bush criminals.

Obama's being threatened somehow. It's just too bad he doesn't have the guts to stand up to them. He's dooming us all by not fighting.

[SidDithers]

60. You're right. Obama should have punched him in the nose...

Too fucking many DU'ers don't live in the real world, where political opposites are still gracious to each other.

Grace isn't a sign of weakness, it's a sign of strength.

Sid

Edit: and I especially love when Obama is gracious, because the apoplexy that gets displayed here is hilarious.

[Robeson]

64. I agree. We should honor Jeb Bush.

[Rex]

94. Oh plz you accuse others of not living in the real world

and then post what you did. :rofl:

Keep it up, you entertain a great many DUrs with your form of comedy! :rofl:

[Thunderstruck]

295. +1000

[cui bono]

96. He graciously kisses rethuglican ass. n/t

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

162. Except half the equation is missing: the gracious Republican.

>insert folktale of The Scorpion and the Frog<

[RetroLounge]

229. How can Obama punch bush in the nose

with his tongue so far up his ass?

:shrug:

RL

[fishwax]

241. it wasn't about being gracious, it was about creating a political alliance on a matter of policy

He chose to go to Florida to promote education reform, chose to align himself there with Jeb Bush, chose to take jeb's recommendation for which school he would highlight as the model for the rest of America when it comes to school reform, thereby legitimizing jeb's claims as an expert on education reform. That's not merely being gracious.

[Nay]

259. it's very telling that Obama has paid little attention to WI teachers

on the march, but has the time to show up in FL and essentially fellate the Bush crime family. All those people who were saying it wouldn't be "seemly" for Obama to "put on his shoes" and march with the protesters aren't showing up in this thread, complaining that he has shown up to support Jeb, have they? So, it's not OK to support unions, but it IS Ok to support Bush crap? Gracious, my ass. He's a sellout.

[walldude]

250. You do realize that there were other options..

Don't you?

The praise and honor Obama has bestowed on the family that has caused more harm to this nation than any 10,000 other families combined is disgusting. Now I realize you have no real counter to this argument so you have to run with the Obama "hate" meme, but one day when you get a real debating point to help your side I'd be happy to have a real and honest discussion of who else Obama could have chosen for these "honors".

The problem with you is there is no room for debate. You call honoring the Bush family Grace? A sign of Strength? Really? This is what you consider strong? Then you have.. nothing.

[tekisui]

271. Those aren't the only options. Praise or a punch inthe nose.

He couldn't find any good Democrats to meet with and invite and praise?

Bullshit.

[WinkyDink]

62. I am a Democrat through and through. That is why this about tears it for me, re: this presidency.

JEB BUSH?????? JEBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O. M. G.

[Ramulux]

65. I feel sick

How do you defend this?

[QC]

67. Easy. Just attack anyone who dares to object to it.

Standard operating procedure in cases like this.

[tekisui]

168. Case in point, read this thread. It is what DU has become.

[RetroLounge]

231. Simple.

Just look for the usual ass-kissers upthread and do what they do.

RL

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[femrap]

69. ...

:puke:

Maybe he wants Jeb to run w/ him as VP in 2012. Then the rethugs won't have to nominate anyone. lol

[somone]

70. What about Joe

[femrap]

82. Joe has always wanted to be

Sec'y of State. HRC has had enough of that gig. Joe will be happy. And the nation will have no idea WTF is going on....Barack is prez and Jeb is vice prez. People won't have to vote and corporations won't have to waste money on campaigns. They can just declare bigger dividends or buy back more of their stock or hell, just burn it on a cold night in a fireplace or bonfire. After all it's just green paper.

The MSM will be pissed because they make BIG $$$$ on all the campaign ads. But if it's just one ticket....barack and jeb, we'll be the fascist state that TPTB have always wanted.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Seeing jeb and barack together is just damn funny. I can't help laughing. It's f*cking surreal. As are the situations in OH and WI...who would have ever thought that public servants would become the ENEMIES????????????????????

:wtf: :wtf: :argh:

[pscot]

73. He's grooming Jeb to succede him in 2016

to preserve his legacy.

[Uta]

81. sadly,+ + + nt

[Beacool]

227. Bingo!!

Jeb or Christie will be the 2016 nominee for the GOP. Neither he nor Christie want to waste their time in 2012, as they think that Obama will be reelected.

;-)

[Autumn]

72. Well that's enough to gag a maggot

As for me I will never be grateful for any Bush. Barbra Bush's womb is the worst WMD known to mankind.

[kath]

102. or, as hubby likes to say, enough to puke a buzzard!

And second the emotion about Barbara Bush's womb...

[L0oniX]

75. WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF and...... WTF!

[deacon]

76. ...keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[Bluebear]

99. Who can tell which is which with this guy though?

[liberation]

115. Thank goodness Obama is not a "dictator"

... a godfather is so much better.

[mmonk]

130. I don't know about his, but he keeps ours closer.

[ClarkUSA]

77. Where is the source link for these alleged quotes? I asked you once before on another thread.

Still waiting...

[TriMera]

95. Please, allow me.

The comment about Jeb starts at 5:48. Didn't you watch the speech?

http://www.c-span.org/Events/President-Obama-Remarks-on-Education/10737420018-1/

[JohnnyK]

318. You want the quote source? How 'bout the White House? Also, try Google once in a while...

Even better than the C-SPAN Video, the source also comes from the White House Website:


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/03/04/remarks-president-miami-central-high-school-miami-florida

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[Robeson]

84. k&r.

[Uta]

85. Reminds me of this :

Remember how that turned out.

[Robeson]

88. I remember the days when those pictures made us sick....

...now, excuses are made.

[cui bono]

97. Yep. The hypocrisy on this board is sickening. n/t

[tomp]

86. oh, please! obama is SUCH a loser.

this guy won't stop crossing the line to the right.

jeb fucking bush. i'd like to know what that guy knows about 9/11.

anyone who promotes jeb bush is not worthy of our support.

[Better Believe It]

87. How Jeb Bush Stole the 2000 Election for His Brother

Floridagate
The Presidential Election of 2000 was stolen by the Bush-Cheney Campaign and the Florida GOP, Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, County Election Officials, the U.S. Supreme Court, the Media, and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Absentee Ballot Law
Letter sent by Florida Republican Party with Jeb's signature and the Florida state seal urged Florida Republicans to vote by absentee ballot, regardless of whether they had a valid legal reason for doing so.

Abuse of State Seal
Letter sent by Florida Republican party with Jeb's signature and the Florida state seal urging Florida Republicans to vote by absentee ballots

Abuse of Office for Partisan Purposes; Interference with Administration of Elections
Jeb and his staff made 95 phone calls made to Bush/Cheney Presidential campaign after Jeb said he'd recused himself; he visited the Bush/GOP headquarters in Tallahassee; he participated in at least 1 Bush strategy conference call; 6 of the 95 calls were on the day GOP thugs stopped the Miami-Dade recount

Abuse of Office for Partisan Purposes
Called special session of legislature to intimidate county officials and judges

14th Amendment (Florida Legislature)
2001 Election Reform law perpetuates the election problems that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled to be in violation of the 14th Amendment.

http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=239

[mmonk]

131. Maybe the administration hopes he'll guarantee Florida for Obama in 2012.

[BillyJack]

89. Ick

Ick....ick...icky.....

foul.

Obama should RUN from this guy, not embrace him. (although Jeb is a 'smart' bush, they are all totally, incredibly evil).

[donheld]

92. +1000

[Hugabear]

93. Feels like I'm watching an episode of "Fringe"

Is there some strange parallel universe stuff going on here?

[Nay]

260. No shit. I am simply in Bizarro World--there's no other name for it.

I am beyond disgusted and into truly vile territory. I feel as if my children and grandchildren have been sold down the river, and I'll never be able to make their lives right.

[tpsbmam]

98. Every time I think I can't get more disgusted, I'm proven wrong. There are

limitless possibilities when it comes to this President.

[kath]

100. OMFG. Puke.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
:puke: :puke: :puke:


Just when I think I couldn't be any more disgusted with the jerk...

[Tx4obama]

103. United we stand, divided we fall.

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[Bluebear]

107. Yes, united with the Bushes. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.

[liberation]

117. No time for details and common sense

We must vote Dem or the kitten gets it from Palin! Unless you hate kittens and America. Why do you hate kittens and America?

[liberation]

116. Yes We Can...

... Tell You Why He Can't.

Obama 2012 slogan.

[ReggieVeggie]

127. united in shit

[Bluebear]

327. u said it

[Hell Hath No Fury]

254. And we will keep getting the same old shit -

because Democrats never have the nerve to say. "No, not this time we won't."

Perhaps a Palin presidency is exactly what this assbackwards country needs to wake the fuck up and get some sense into their heads.

[davidthegnome]

266. Not sure of the point on that one...

are you trying to brainwash people?

[JDPriestly]

105. Disgusting!!!

[MsPithy]

110. Obama was chasing Republicans on his honeymoon.

I copied that from someone, can't remember who.

And, why the hell isn't Obama in Wisconsin?

[liberation]

119. Obama is not in Wisconsin, because supporting the left and labor openly is divisive.

And he is the president of all Americans. That is why he supporting the conservative Jeb Bush's education reform and giving a speech in support of the arch reactionary lobby group, the Chamber of Commerce, is perfectly fine. Because apparently "all Americans = anything to the right of the center" according to the Obama PR squad.

Duh!


See, Obama supporting the left= divisive. Obama supporting the right = bipartisan, presidential, realistic, adult-like, the only option. So if you are a liberal, don't forget to vote early and often for Obama in 2012, otherwise we may have a conservative politician supporting the right directly, rather than a Democrat doing so... which would be terrible, so I was told.

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[boomerbust]

118. Try to understand this

Obama pisses me off. I am beginning to think He is a fraud. But I also get pissed when somebody else trashes Obama. Can someone please explain this madness?

[liberation]

120. I am right there with you.

I personally like Obama as a person, even though I really do not know him personally. So when the teabaggers trash him for being black, well that is far too personal of an attack lacking any sort of merit.

However, his policies are not my cup of tea in the least. In fact from a policy stand point he is a massive disappointment. So I am not personally pissed at him, I get pissed when someone tries to get away with the lazy false equivalence of trying to equate a liberal dissenting with Obama's policies as being somehow the same as a teabagger pissed off about the fact that the president is black.


Thinking really about it, that is exactly how divide and conquer works. Put someone likable to advance unlikeable legislation.

[Ichingcarpenter]

125. Obama is a Manager for the owners of the Franchise

Bush was a Manager for the Franchise.....
Would I rather work at Obama's Hamburger joint or Bush's?
Obama's of course, I like guy 10 times better than Bush.


Neither of these guys are the real owners and when corporate management tells these guys to jump or lay off people they do.

Sorry but there is some truth to the 'Obama Deception'

[Enthusiast]

142. I can no longer ignore the evidence

that Obama is a fraud. The evidence is overwhelming.

[DutchLiberal]

224. Cognitive dissonance...

You don't want to admit you made a mistake in trusting this fraud.

[Kip Humphrey]

129. "Daddy, what was 'public edication'?" "Honey, there once was a time before corporacation

when all the children attended what were called 'public schools'."

For-profit middlemen running our health care system turned out so well we're going to let for-profit middlemen run our school systems. This country is fucking unbelievable!

[TheUnspeakable]

134. any time a bush is treated with even a tiny bit of respect....

it makes me vomit

[Enthusiast]

143. Me too.

:puke:

[deutsey]

135. Watch out, Obama...Jeb might accidentally disenfranchise you.

:puke:

[on point]

137. Destructive to education Pander to crazy rightwing nuts - BOO!!!!!!!!!!

[chopper050]

141. jeb bush

:puke:

[kenny blankenship]

144. He always said he'd shield, & rehabilitate the Bushes & restore them to their rightful place of rule

You just weren't listening.

[xchrom]

145. recommend

[northernlights]

146. bipartisanship

just another word for collusion.

[LWolf]

147. He's certainly consistent, anyway. nt

[SHRED]

150. And he couldn't go to Wisconsin...

...because...???

[somone]

152. Well, he had to show SOME bipartisanship

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2011-03-04/obama-florida-discuss-education-policy

WASHINGTON (AP) — Eager to show some bipartisanship, President Barack Obama is sharing a stage in Florida with Jeb Bush, brother of the former president whose policies Obama blames for sending the nation's economy spiraling into a recession.

[QC]

163. Because it is not yet clear which side is going to win in Wisconsin.

Taking a stand now carries the risk of a loss, and that is neither pragmatic nor sensible.

[somone]

174. He'll claim solidarity as soon as the unions prevail

But if Walker wins this fight, well, it's a local issue. Besides, teachers need to be reformed anyway. :sarcasm:

[Poboy]

177. That is the truth. Its also weak and pathetic.

[hulka38]

188. +1

[Honeycombe8]

151. The important thing is education, right? Not who's on the stage.

Get your priorities straight.

Immature and silly to stamp your feet that the bringer of food to starving people is from the wrong side of town.

[Ichingcarpenter]

153. I don't get your post is Bush or Obama a bringer of food?

What the hell is 'wrong side of town' is that some southern
50s reference? I don't get that one either.

[davidthegnome]

268. I wondered that myself

I don't quite get what the poster is trying to imply. One thing I'll say about food - the prices are going up and up.

[Raoul]

154. When

the fuck is he gonna come out as a republican? He's a joke - plain and simple. We've been hoodwinked about 'change and hope' when all we've gotten was s.o.s. (same ole shit).

[Hubert Flottz]

155. Why didn't he mention how Jebby and some of his accomplices...

sold defective water pumps to the city of New Orleans?

EDIT...BTW, Jeb did a fine job bringing up his own children, right?

Noelle Bush

Jeb Bush's Daughter Arrested

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,198189,00.html

[somone]

156. Yep, same company that helped Nigerians scam U.S. taxpayers

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17597203/ns/us_news-life/

The drainage-canal pumps were custom-designed and built under a $26.6 million contract awarded after competitive bidding to Moving Water Industries Corp. of Deerfield Beach, Fla. MWI is owned by J. David Eller and his sons. Eller was a business partner of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in a venture called Bush-El that marketed MWI pumps. And Eller has donated about $128,000 to politicians, the vast majority of it to the Republican Party, since 1996. MWI has run into trouble before. The U.S. Justice Department sued the company in 2002, accusing it of fraudulently helping Nigeria obtain $74 million in taxpayer-backed loans for overpriced and unnecessary water-pump equipment...

[Hubert Flottz]

167. But they can't afford Granny's Social Security check...

"Make the pie higher"

[deminks]

157. Selling Brother Neil's software again, I see?

What, run out of Katrina money to pay for his scams?

Bush Brothers = Koch Brothers wannabe's

[bread_and_roses]

158. Funny that the Pres of "all the people" can't stand with parents, students, teachers, workers

...can't stand up with all the children who will be harmed by Jebbie and his minions, with all the teachers who've devoted lives to educating our children, with all the workers who would have had jobs had Jebbie not turned down high-speed rail, but can stand up with Jeb?

How the hell Jeb translates to "all the people" is a mystery to me.

[Doc Martin]

159. "I have no hope of audacity"

Quoting Matt Damon quoting a friend.

[NillaWafers]

160. Why in the world would Obama validate this disgusting sub-human?

Why give Jeb Bush one single ounce of respect? Especially considering he has presidential aspirations.

I truly do not understand this.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

343. He wants to be a member of the club, just like the Clintons.

But old money will embrace new money only just enough to ensure their wealth is preserved. That's all this is about. FDR was old money and welcomed their hatred; Obama would NEVER do that.

[NorthCarolina]

161. Elevating yet another Bush for a Presidential run in 2016? nt

[Somawas]

164. Why, Yes! President Obama should have punched Bush

in the face. And then kicked him in the cherries.

[TheKentuckian]

212. Or he could skip embracing Jeb's ideas on reform.

I think there is plenty of room between punching in the face and teaming up.

[BlueIris]

165. Why do people continue to be surprised by these incidents?

This is par for this course for this president.

[defendandprotect]

196. They must be mesmerized by the "Pink Pony," "Chess game," "Magic Wand" ....

but at some point, it has to occur to some of them that Obama is a

really lousey chess player!!



:nuke: and :puke:

[glinda]

169. Brainwashed.

[Better Believe It]

170. Higher Education Funding Cut by $89 Billion Over 10 Years in Obama Budget

Stopgap Spending Bill Severs Array of Education Programs
By Alyson Klein
March 3, 2011

The stopgap federal spending bill that President Barack Obama signed into law yesterday almost certainly spells the end of federal funding for more than a dozen education programs, at least for two weeks, quite possibly for good.

The bill would scrap all federal funding for the current year for a number of programs that were considered "earmarks" under congressional rules, because they got non-competitive funds, directed just for them. Some senators protested on behalf of the groups, but it may have been too late—the cuts went through anyway.

The list of funding cuts includes:

National Writing Project—$25.6 million
Teach for America—$18 million
Reading is Fundamental—$24.8 million
National Board for Professional Teaching Standards—$10.7 million
New Leaders for New Schools—$5 million
Arts in Education—$40 million
We the People—$21.6 million
Close Up fellowships—$1.9 million
Exchanges With Historic Whaling and Trading Partners—$8.6 million
Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity program—$3 million
B.J. Stupak Olympic Scholarships—nearly $1 million

The programs could get money from the department under other funding streams. But more likely than not, most of them aren't going to get any more funding from the feds, possibly forever.

Read the full article at:

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campaign-k-12/2011/03/short-term_measure_cuts_a.html


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Higher Education Funding Cut by $89 Billion Over 10 Years in Obama Budget
By John Lauerman
February 14, 2011

President Barack Obama, who has called for the U.S. to lead the world in college graduates by 2020, proposed budget cuts that would reduce support for higher education by $89 billion over 10 years.

Obama’s $77.4 billion spending proposal released today would cut a provision allowing some college students to get two Pell grants in a year and a program that lowers interest rates on loans for graduate students. The changes will reduce 2012 higher education outlays by $10 billion while raising spending for kindergarten through high school education 6.9 percent to $26.8 billion, the Education Department said.

Under current rules, some students who have received a Pell grant for the regular school year can get a second grant to cover summer classes. Obama’s budget would eliminate that option, along with subsidized loans for students in graduate school, the budget documents said.

The proposal is a signal that both Democrats and Republicans want to see the Pell grant program shrink, said Jarrel Price, an analyst with Height Analytics in Washington who studies the effect of government policy on for-profit colleges. “There’s unanimous agreement that 2012 funding will face severe cuts,” he said today in a telephone interview. “It’s still a challenge to see the exact impact it will have on revenues and enrollments.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-14/higher-education-funding-cut-by-89-billion-over-10-years-in-obama-budget.html


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Obama budget would cut children’s hospitals’ graduate education funding
by Brandon Glenn
February 18, 2011

President Barack Obama’s federal budget proposal would eliminate a $318 million fund for graduate medical education at children’s hospitals.

The budget cuts would take a $32 million toll on children’s hospitals in Ohio, and could squeeze tight hospital budgets even further, the Columbus Dispatch reported. If Obama’s budget proposal is adopted, Nationwide Children’s Hospital in Columbus would stand to lose $8 million that it uses to help train about 220 pediatricians, pediatric subspecialists and dentists every year.

About one-third of Nationwide Children’s spending on graduate medical education comes from the federal program, Dr. John Mahan, director of the hospital’s pediatric residency program, said.

The National Association of Children’s Hospitals said it was “dismayed and disappointed” in the proposal.

“What our nation cannot afford is to further jeopardize children’s access to physicians trained to meet children’s unique healthcare needs,” the group said in a statement.

http://www.medcitynews.com/2011/02/obama-budget-would-cut-childrens-hospitals-graduate-education-funding/


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Statement by N.A.C.H. President and CEO Lawrence McAndrews on Elimination of Funding for Pediatric Training in the President’s Budget

Children’s Teaching Hospitals Are Dismayed and Disappointed
For Immediate Release
February 14, 2011
Contact Gillian Ray, Norida Torriente
703-797-6027/6059

(Alexandria, VA) — The National Association of Children’s Hospitals (N.A.C.H.) is dismayed and disappointed with President Obama’s recommendation to eliminate the Children’s Hospitals Graduate Medical Education (CHGME) program in fiscal year 2012. The proposed elimination of the CHGME program would have a dramatic negative effect on the pediatric workforce pipeline at a time when children’s timely access to pediatric care is already impaired.

The elimination of CHGME would challenge the nation’s ability to meet goals for children’s health care and pediatric medicine that the administration itself has set in the areas of primary care, patient safety, quality and innovation. Currently, the CHGME program helps fund the training of 5,400 full time equivalent residents annually. Less than one percent of all hospitals, independent children’s teaching hospitals that receive CHGME train 40 percent of all pediatricians, 60 percent of whom are primary care pediatricians. Pediatric teaching, clinical care and research work hand in hand at children’s hospitals, allowing physicians, residents, fellows and research scientists to advance innovations that improve quality, safety, efficiency and outcomes of patient care.

Furthermore, the greatest workforce shortage in children’s health care is pediatric specialty care. Children’s hospitals receiving CHGME train 43 percent of pediatric specialists. The elimination of CHGME would exacerbate the current national shortage of pediatric specialists such as neurologists, surgeons and pulmonologists. These shortages result in delayed care and appointment wait times that can be as long as three months. What our nation cannot afford is to further jeopardize children’s access to physicians trained to meet children’s unique health care needs.

Enacted in 1999 under the Clinton administration, the CHGME program provides children’s teaching hospitals with federal support comparable to what other teaching hospitals receive through Medicare. The program helped correct an unintentional inequity in GME financing. The program is currently funded at $317.5 million. Before the enactment of CHGME, the number of residents in children’s hospitals’ residency programs had declined over 13 percent. The enactment of CHGME has enabled children’s hospitals to reverse this trend and to increase their training by 35 percent.

CHGME is vital to the future of pediatric care in this country. Elimination of this program puts children’s health and health care at unnecessary risk.

#30

The National Association of Children’s Hospitals (N.A.C.H.) is the public policy affiliate of the National Association of Children’s Hospitals and Related Institutions. Representing more than 140 freestanding acute care children’s hospitals, freestanding children’s rehabilitation and specialty hospitals, and children’s hospitals organized within larger medical centers, N.A.C.H. addresses public policy issues affecting children’s hospitals’ missions of service to the children of their communities, including clinical care, education, research and advocacy.

http://www.childrenshospitals.net/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Newsroom&CONTENTID=55664&TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm

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[QC]

175. The loss of summer Pell funding will be a real blow to low-income college students.

Most of my students are working their way through school, which means that they can only take two or three classes per semester. Taking a class or two in the summer is a necessity if they hope to graduate someday. Now they will not have summer funding, unless, of course, they put themselves in hock to the student loan mafia....

Hmmm.....

[Ichingcarpenter]

179. 'Better Believe It' needs to post his facts in a new thread

The facts speak for themselves and they cry out to be heard.

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[Better Believe It]

183. Thanks for your suggestion. I just did that.

[Ichingcarpenter]

195. I was almost ready to copy it and post it before you did

thank you for doing it.

[Occulus]

237. Where? I don't see it in GD

and I want to watch and see if the prediction is true or not.

[Better Believe It]

252. Over here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x564062

[Bobbie Jo]

207. self delete

nevermind.

[Reader Rabbit]

173. This teacher's reply is not fit for polite company.

I'm sick of a supposed Democratic president doing little to nothing for his own constituents while he runs around, hat in hand, kissing Republican ass.

[somone]

176. True love must be pursued at all costs

[Reader Rabbit]

181. Do you think it's the Republican Party he loves, or just the Bush family?

Or maybe just individual Republicans that he has crushes on? It's all so baffling.

[somone]

184. It's the ideology

Campaign speeches notwithstanding, it's clear that he agrees with the other side's ideology on most substantive issues. The Reagan fetish was revealing.

[QC]

186. Yes, the Reagan encomia were a definite warning sign,

but hardly anyone was willing to pay any attention then.

[pscot]

240. I think about that

all too often. I rationalized it at the time. That was a mistake.

[QC]

246. Do you ever wonder exactly what "excesses of the 60s" Obama was praising Reagan for countering?

Civil rights? The peace movement? Stonewall?

[pscot]

263. I was living in San Francisco

when Reagan ran for governor. I understood what an angry SOB he was. Obama's comments alarmed me, but I was getting caught up in the "movement" by then. I was swayed by the True Believers and rationalized it as mere rhetoric. The Sommers and Geithner appointments, and his attempt to make Daschle his pointman on HCR woke me up. Looking back, it's hard to know what we could have done differently. A 3rd Clinton term seemed unacceptable and Edwards always struck me as counterfeit coin. Like the song says, Any way you look at it, you lose.

[QC]

294. We always end up with very limited options. Every time.

Gee, it's almost like things are supposed to end up like that, isn't it?

[bertman]

182. So, how much more evidence do we need that the two parties are separated only

by nuance--and it ain't nuanced toward PROGRESSIVE policies.

The Money Party has taken over the Democratic party. I feel lost after 40 years of supporting the party that I thought was the party of the working class.

President Obama HONORING Jeb Bush's educational policies. Absolutely disgusting!!

Thank you for posting this, Better Believe It.

REC.

[wisteria]

185. There is and should always be common ground to where both sides can go, to reach agreements,

and do what is in the best interest of the people and the US.

[TheKentuckian]

216. In the real world that is nonsense, TeaPubliKlans are ideologically bankrupt

and their policies are demonstrably failed.

Platitudes and ideals cannot be confused with reality no matter how desirable and wise sounding.

[thereismore]

190. I am so disappointed, Mr. President. In you. nt

[truth2power]

191. ...

:puke:

[ensho]

192. hope Obama went into a decontaminating chamber after being with Jeb

Jeb is a for profit man - could give a flying f--k about kids

hope there is a method in Obama's madness

[PassingFair]

193. OMG....where's MADFLORIDIAN? Her head must have exploded.

Mad? Mad?

Are you still with us?

:hi:

[defendandprotect]

194. 2012 -- Sen, Bernie Sanders on a Democratic Party ticket

[ClarkUSA]

197. Why is anyone taking this type of platitude seriously? They're just pretty words, right?

Or do y'all think the Clintons are both homophobic anti-Semites for gushing over Bill Graham?

Perhaps Kucinich is really kindred souls with racist-screed Ron Paul for praising him loudly in a joint appearance?

Some folks love to dismiss everything President Obama says as "pretty words" or a "pretty speech" until they can play "Gotcha!"

The bile is showing...

[Vinca]

198. What the hell did I cast my vote for? I'm horrified.

[ClarkUSA]

208. Were you "horrified" when Hillary praised New Gingrich and John McCain too?

How about when both she and Bill gushed over homophobic anti-Semite Bill Graham?

[DutchLiberal]

232. Relevancy for this issue?

Indeed, none.


Oh, and an Obama-supporter should be very careful to make remarks about other politicians' relationships to homophobes.

[ClarkUSA]

242. Comparative analysis, dear. And I wasn't speaking to you.

<< an Obama-supporter should be very careful to make remarks about other politicians' relationships to homophobes >>

Why? I support the president who repealed DADT and has declared DOMA unconstitional, after all. I am proud of my president. Any Clinton supporter looks ridiculous pointing fingers at Obama supporters on this and many other issues.

[DutchLiberal]

264. Don't belittle me because I pointed out your faulty reasoning...

The topic at hand is: education.

Now: how is Clinton's support for a homophobe in ANY way relevant to education?

Wait, let me think....

Oh, I know! It ISN'T!

Say hi to Donny McClurkin and Rick Warren for me.

[ClarkUSA]

272. Why are you bringing up "Donny McClurkin and Rick Warren" in a topic about education then?

Don't belittle me because I pointed out your faulty reasoning...

The topic at hand is: education.

Say hi to any American LGBT soldiers who are celebrating the repeal of DADT for me, much to the dismay of "Donny McClurkin and Rick Warren".

Als alle gekken konden vliegen hadden we een permanente zonsverduistering.

Good thing there are Obama supporters to shed some light!

[DutchLiberal]

311. What's the matter, didn't like that taste of your own medicine?

'What goes around, comes around'... ever heard of that phrase? That's why I brought them up.

I thank Congress for repealing DADT. But let's not pretend Obama signed an executive order to end it, like he should have done. You know, like Truman decided himself to end segregation in the armed forces? Now THAT, my friend, was leadership, of which Obama has shown none.

[ClarkUSA]

322. Nice try. I exposed your repetitive digs and now you're CYA.

<< But let's not pretend Obama signed an executive order to end it, like he should have done.>>

He did better. He pressed his allies in Congress (Rep. Patrick Murphy started the ball rolling in early 2008) for a repeal to make it permanent. An executive order lasts only as long as the next Republican president.

That's leadership to anyone with any legal and political acumen. So is declaring DOMA unconstitutional and having his allies in Congress introduce legislation to repeal that, too. Notice a pattern here?

[davidthegnome]

273. Your condescending manner does you no credit

That being said - I'd like to support the President who repealed DADT and declared DOMA unconstitutional. I can't, however, in good conscience support a President guilty of covering up and permitting war crimes, the torture of prisoners, union busting - these insane drone attacks in Pakistan. I can't support a President who has nothing but praise for a despicable criminal like Jeb Bush. I can't support a President who hasn't got the nerve to fight for progressive policy - who's motto seems to be "Preemptive Surrender".

Sorry. As for Slamming Kucinich, Clinton, or anyone else - perhaps if this thread was about them people would be. Your straw men do not stand.

[ClarkUSA]

274. Your interpretation is faulty, it seems. Alas, I was trying to be polite.

In general, I'm not interested in empty rhetoric and overblown hyperbole whose only purpose is to demonize President Obama, so your comments are of little interest to me. Got any facts to back up what you're saying or is that it?

[davidthegnome]

281. Truth = Rhetoric and overblown hyperbole?

You've been with DU for a while. I'm guessing you've been a democrat for some time. So is it that you don't think the former administration committed what should be referred to as war crimes, or that Obama didn't cover them up or assist in doing so?. Are you denying the drone attacks that have claimed so many innocent lives for little to no purpose in most cases? Are you denying that this Nation - and therefor it's "democratically elected government" is guilty of severe humans rights abuses including the torture of prisoners? Some of whom were never proved guilty of any crime? Are you suggesting that the President is attempting to do - or has done, anything about these issues?

As for my comment regarding preemptive surrender - what more evidence do you need? We have a health care reform which is very nearly identical to that put forth by Romney in MA - without much more than a grunt and shrugged shoulders it was decided that we needed no public option. It was further decided that it would now be a federal mandate for every citizen to have health insurance - not health care, not treatment, insurance. Need I even mention the disastrous tax cut extensions for the absurdly wealthy? You know - the ones Obama talked a lot about rolling back but then decided to embrace and promote?

What facts do you seek elaboration regarding, exactly? As far as I'm aware this "overblown hyperbole" is common knowledge.

[ClarkUSA]

284. Subjective opinion does not a truth make.

I'm going out now. I may reply further when I return.

Now, it will suffice to say, President Obama does not have a magic wand and Congress is a co-equal brnch of government that makes the laws.

[davidthegnome]

287. He doesn't need a magic wand

What he needs (and lacks) is courage.

[ClarkUSA]

298. You prove me right again.

[NillaWafers]

340. Hey! You called me "dear" in a different thread! I thought I was the only one!

And now, to see you "dearing" another member...well...I just thought better of you!



:crazy:

[Vinca]

262. I know you have an overwhelming need to come to the defense

of the POTUS every minute of every day, but your response makes no sense. Hillary and whatever she said has nothing to do with the matter at hand. I cast my vote in good faith for Mr. Obama. In a million years I wouldn't have expected to see him gushing all over Jebbie in Florida while our education system is going to hell in a handbasket. If only he had been honest during the campaign I might have weighed his need to have all Republicans love him against statements Hillary made.

[ClarkUSA]

276. Not answering the question, I see. lol!

Any Democrats here who didn't mind when Hillary said these things in 1995 and 2008 and who are now so outraged at President Obama mild platitudes are totally hypocritical.

[Vinca]

288. What on earth does Hillary have to do with this???

Obviously I minded what Hillary said - if I hadn't I might have supported her.

[ClarkUSA]

304. I have given several examples of Dems who have praised Republicans.

Bill Clinton praising Bush's taking the responsibility of the presidency seriously, ditto for Mondale praising Reagan's foreign policy.

There are tons more.

[Fearless]

199. If they threw 750k+ at any school you'd see amazing things... but of course it's not about the money

:rofl:

[Joey Liberal]

200. Obama should know that he can't trust a repug. nt

[fascisthunter]

201. he has been a disaster

[ClarkUSA]

202. How so? Facts are much better than wailing over polite pleasantries.

Billy Graham was a notorious anti-Semite but the Clintons appeared publicly with him & praised him.

They were also very close friends with Graham all their political lives.

Yet Jews weren't upset about it nor did they believe the Clintons were anti-Semites.

Because they know better.

[DutchLiberal]

234. What was his name again...? Donny McClurkin?

[ClarkUSA]

245. What was that legislation again? DADT and DOMA? You know, President Obama repealed one...

... and just declared the other one unconstitutional, reversing former DLC chairman Bubba Clinton's terrible mistakes.

[DutchLiberal]

265. Funny, I thought Congress did that, because Obama was too chicken to do it...

Maybe he was afraid it would upset Rick Warren.

[ClarkUSA]

321. Pres. Obama worked with allies in Congress to repeal DADT, as promised.

His first House endorsement of the 2008 campaign, Rep. Patrick Murphy, introduced DADT repeal soon after President Obama was inaugurated. Do you think that's a coincidence? BTW, I donated, volunteered and knocked on doors for Rep. Murphy both times he ran for Congress, so I know of what and whom I speak. That's leadership.

Call Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and ask them who was the driving force behind DADT repeal and whether President Obama had anything to do with it.

President Obama did upset Rick Warren, no doubt. :D

[uponit7771]

206. For republicans, Obama promise meter (facts) bear this out....no?

[The Doctor.]

203. Here's my 'weak political excuse';

Student Performance



Top

1. Vermont

2. Massachusetts

3. Florida

4. New Hampshire

5. New York



State Grades

Top


"B+" Florida

"B" Colorado

"B" Louisiana

"B" Minnesota

"B" Missouri

http://www.vermontbiz.com/news/september/state-education-ranking-shows-vermont-1-south-carolina-last


Notice only ONE state makes both lists.

Acknowledging that someone, no matter how otherwise despicable, did something right is utterly appropriate. The hand-wringing and blind rage around here is just ridiculous sometimes.

[Ichingcarpenter]

211. You use a right wing site-I mean a very right wing site

for your data....

http://www.alec.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home
Check out who you quote..... extremely right wing


Here are some of their topics on their HOMEPAGE

ALEC News
State Unfunded Liabilities in the Trillions: ALEC Provides the Solutions

Wyoming Urges Congress to Curb EPA’s Barrage of Regulations

North Carolina Becomes First State in 2011 to Send Health Freedom Bill to Governor's Desk

Tennessee Legislators gather in Nashville to learn and discuss Comprehensive Tort Reform Legislation


JEB...... you really don't need to post here...

[The Doctor.]

214. So, you're suggesting they just 'made up' the numbers?

Seriously, try doing the research before shooting the messenger. Every once in a while, even Fox News tells the truth.

If they told you 'water is wet', would you disbelieve them just because they're Fox?

[EFerrari]

230. This is a good opportunity to learn something about sourcing.

This is the organization that produced that "report card". A favorite Big Business/Republican trick, set up a shell "non-partisan" organization that sounds like it does public service:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Legislative_Exchange_Council

[Ichingcarpenter]

253. The OP thinks it is the gospel truth

searching the truth proves its not.

[The Doctor.]

285. Yes, something I know better about. I was sloppy.

I found that there were categories that FL ranked well in, others, notsomuch.

A better source.
http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/

http://www.msubillings.edu/caer/quality_rankings_of_education_in.htm

It really is interesting that when I typed in the search terms, the VT source appeared right near the top. Why they would try to make the Florida model appear so much more superior requires more plumbing.

[Ichingcarpenter]

247. Florida statistics for real...

SAT scores..... bottom 40 out of 50

I could go on but you need to keep promoting
your stuff.

[The Doctor.]

289. Wow, what's with you? Chill man.

I took another look around, seems the stats are all over the board. The more reliable ones DO have FL low on the list.

The problem is that you do your credibility no good by reflexively attacking sources instead of the information. Claiming that because a source is 'rightwing' they must be lying is the exact sort of knee-jerk reaction that keeps wingnuts ignorant. They are programmed to ignore 'liberal' sources no matter how accurate the information.

In this case, I was sloppy and pulled up the link that most closely matched my search criteria without investigating further; something I should know better than to do.

I can certainly do without being accused of deliberately spreading right-wing info though. I definitely take exception to being called Jeb Bush.

It appears that right-wing BS is more insidious than I expected. Won't happen again.

[liberation]

312. Sure.

Here is the source you used:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/american-legislative-exchange


"In this case, I was sloppy and pulled up the link that most closely matched my search criteria without investigating further; something I should know better than to do."

Well that, or you were simply trying to use the link that most closely supported the narrative, you were trying to push, and got caught.

[uponit7771]

204. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ...thud

[Name removed]

209. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ClarkUSA]

210. Hillary praises McCain again, says he’s crossed ‘Commander in Chief threshold’

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14809.html

[EFerrari]

213. I don't think you're proving what you think you're proving. n/t

[demmiblue]

223. .

:spray:

[QC]

258. He's definitely proving *something,* though. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

218. What the fuck are you going on about with the neoliberals that the Democratic wing

was running away from to elect Obama for?

The Clintons are the template for this misadministration and a huge part of it.

Obama supports Jeb's education policies. Newt and the gang have been on the bandwagon the whole way.

[whatchamacallit]

220. All this proves (as this website is starting to prove)

is that "democrat" has become a meaningless moniker.

[rpannier]

308. If she threw in "Commander In Chief of Crazy Town" I'd be okay with it

Otherwise
:puke:

[ClarkUSA]

323. ROFL!

:rofl:

[Captain Hiltz]

217. The wealthy rule, what next.

I think we have to accept that the wealthy in this country rule. Once we accept that we can move on and plan on how we will work around them and eventually de power them. I live in Minnesota and we recently elected Democrat Mark Dayton as governor. He immediately wanted to raise taxes on the states wealthiest individuals. A few days ago he back pedaled on that plan so it won't happen. Same old same old at home I guess. There are ways, if we really think hard (not easy to do when you come home after 8 to 10 hours of hard work just to survive, which by the way is all part of the elite's plan to keep us under control) to work around the small number of powerful people and their system of dominance. I will list a few here but the real challenge is for the readers here to come up with their own ideas. Please don't think that you as an individual doesn't matter. You are underestimating yourself. I get my phone service through CREDO. They provide online petitions to sign and they do make a difference. Many idiotic ideas in Congress (usually from Republican senators)are often shelved because of these petitions. Other progressive organizations also have online means to let these puppets and corporatist know how you feel.

Idea 1) Stay away from giant retailers like Wal Mart as much as possible. I know it's hard. They are everywhere. Buy from smaller individually owned stores when you can.

Idea 2) Grow your own food and or buy from local food merchants. Other than rent or a house payment, food is often your biggest monthly expense. I read the book Who Really Runs the World by Thom Burnett and Alex Games and they suggest that the food/grocery industry is actually more powerful than oil and other corporations.

Idea 3) Be a pain in the ass to the powerful. Again this goes back to being active. Take a few seconds to sign that petition or call your local politician. Go to a rally. If everyone does nothing because its hard or they don't have the time, the THEY win. THEY are afraid of us (also the fact that we armed to the teeth in this country). THEY fear us coming into their gated communities and "redistributing" the wealth (hey, now there is an idea!), THEY fear us not believing their propaganda but most of all THEY fear us when we think for ourselves.

Remember, it's time for the proletariat to rise up and smash the ruling class.

[DutchLiberal]

219. Was this before or after he awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to George H.W. Bush?

[ClarkUSA]

222. Horrors!!! "Mondale praises Reagan in Memoir"

Former Vice President Walter Mondale, who lost 49 states to President Ronald Reagan as the 1984 Democratic nominee for president, now concedes that Reagan learned the lessons of the Carter administration's Iran hostage crisis... Mondale writes in his memoir, "The Good Fight: A Life in Liberal Politics," published on Tuesday. "Reagan, though he talked a bold game, never succumbed to military recklessness on a large scale," the now-82-year-old Mondale added in the concluding paragraphs of the chapter, "Hostage Crisis."


http://tinyurl.com/6hd9hwm

[walldude]

251. LMAO.. thats the new defense of honoring the criminals

known as the Bush family? Mondale did it too? What are you 5 years old?
Mommy, Walter did it too.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[davidthegnome]

275. Not at all relevant to the convseration at hand

You don't think people had angry words for the Clintons, Mondale, Kucinich? They did - and do. Frankly, words have consequences and those in the halls of power must be held highly responsible for what they say as well as what they do. Who you associate with may also have consequences. Again - your straw men do not stand.

[WillyT]

225. Barf !!! - K & R !!!

:puke:

[City Lights]

228. Ick. The word "honor" in any form should NEVER be used to describe any Bush.

They are nothing if not dishonorable.

:puke:

[Beacool]

233. Thanks!!

I knew that this would be good.

:popcorn:


Watching the heads explode of those who believed his claptrap in the first place is always enjoyable.

:rofl:

[RetroLounge]

235. Nothing to see here, move along

Change your avatar to a Circle-D

Praise the chess game.

Ride the pony.

All will be fine.

:puke:

RL

[xxqqqzme]

236. Well, jebsters presdential campaign will

be using that against Obama in 2012.


Our country remains leaderless.

[progressoid]

238. Yah, that's the hope and change we voted for.

:puke:

[knitter4democracy]

243. WTF?! I cannot rec this. I just can't.

Holy crap, Mr. President!! You have jumped the shark with this teacher. I teach, I vote, and I will not be working your re-election campaign this time, sir. No, I will not. I will work for other Dems, real ones who care about public education, not brainwashed zombies who believe whatever the hell the Republicans tell them.

[shanti]

244. disgusting

:puke:

[mochajava666]

255. I would expect that comment from a Rebublican President

Must be more of that multi-dimensional chess...

[Bobbie Jo]

257. Like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?

Well done. :applause:

[treestar]

267. All I get here is reflexive hatred of the name Bush

Maybe he did do some good on the education front. But we aren't even given the chance to consider that. It's just that he's a Bush and anything positive said of him is just plain evil. Nice to see the world that black and white. Or not, maybe it's really boring.

[QC]

280. All you give here is reflexive defense of the name Obama.

That's pretty damn boring, too.

[treestar]

296. that's not fair

I made neither an offense or a defense.

I simply see we are expected to jump to the conclusion that a Bush is always wrong and it's always wrong to speak to one.

[QC]

299. Jeb Bush is not exactly an unknown quantity.

Many people, particularly those of us in Florida, know him quite well.

It's not like people are picking on a kindly old cashier at Publix just because his name happens to be Bush.

[treestar]

300. But those who don't know where Jebbie stands on education

Have not seen anything on this board other than that we are to jump to conclusions that they are all entirely wrong.

Even Dubya's education policy may not have been all bad because a lot of right wingers did not like it.

and even if Jebbie's policy is bad, that does not make Obama's identical.

But the policies are not being discussed. Only "Obama stood on a state with Jeb, OMG!"

[QC]

305. Sadly, Jeb's approach to ed "reform" is pretty much the same as Obama's.

Testing, busting unions, privatizing, more testing, corporate charter schools, still more testing, firing teachers, yet more testing, etc.

This is why they are strolling around Miami together.

Education is one issue in which the power elite's dream of bipartisanship is bearing fruit. Ugly, poisonous fruit, as one would expect, but fruit nonetheless, and very profitable fruit indeed for the private interests poised to grab up some big contracts, like Neil Bush.

[treestar]

319. I really don't go for that

Obama is not busting unions, privatizing, etc. So it's up in the air whether Jebbie is too.

No one has even discussed it. Only "Obama spoke to Jebbie OMG!!"

[Better Believe It]

342. That's all that happened? Well, if he just wanted to pay old Jeb a friendly courtesy phone call.

Is that what really happened?

[liberation]

313. Yes we can...

... tell you why the Bushes are not so bad after all.

Wow.

[Bluebear]

339. +

[fayhunter]

279. That is just sickening, but it's politics as usual.

Hey, maybe there's something to "know the enemy." I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[williesgirl]

282. Pardon me while I puke! I soooo want my donations back. I know he's better than McSame would have

been, but I'm so disappointed in him. He had such a golden opportunity if he just didn't want everyone in the country and world to like him so much. rec'd

[Stoic]

283. Someone better get Obama a pair...

of knee pads. He's going to wear out his pants from getting on his knees all the time.

[Paper Roses]

290. Belch n/t

[blackspade]

291. WTF!?

Jeb Bush is no more the friend of education than the rest of the Republican party is to the American worker!

[barbtries]

297. it makes me sick

to see the person i was so happy to refer to as "my president" kissing the asses of the bushes. i mean just sick.

[BrklynLiberal]

301. -puke-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[colsohlibgal]

302. Disgusting!

No excuse for giving us all a wave of nausea - on top of everything else, Jeb was a prime enabler of the Supreme Court coup that installed his half bright brother in the WH.

[barb162]

306. Jeb did WHAT for education reform?

[Kalun D]

332. Hey

it depends on your definition of "reform"

like Union busting privatization reform

and testing provided by private crony corporations

[Name removed]

307. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NICO9000]

309. Saw the pic of both of them in the LA Times this a.m.

Glad I had no breakfast 'cos I might have hurled. Was it really this important for Obama to go to this dog-and-pony show rather than make an appearance in (or at least offer encouraging words about) WI?

[Stardust]

310. It's gettin' mighty hard to keep supporting this prez. Which is it?

Sold out or chess?

[ClarkUSA]

324. It's this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=622973&mesg_id=622995

[swilton]

315. Can't bear to read this

[Initech]

316. It's official: We live in the matrix.

[Robeson]

320. k&r.

[RegieRocker]

329. Can you say "Suck Up"

[Kalun D]

331. Every Time

Every time you think Obama can't stoop any lower, he stoops even lower.

Obama is a crooked corporate dem and he has been so from the start.

[Jamastiene]

333. Sorry.

:puke:

That literally made me nauseated.

[upi402]

338. Shoulda thrown at shoe at the disenfranchiser

BushCo needs to be investigated for stealing the Gore election win.
But no, we're looking forward. Forward to a land where lady justice has her blindfold off her eyes and over her boobies.

[demmiblue]

341. Sucks to be us. n/t

[gracchorumspes]

345. Yeahhh.....no.

Sorry, but ain't no way I'll ever say anything complimentary about the Bush politicos. Leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.

[upi402]

348. Yano is right

BushCo disenfranchised us and robbed us of the democratically elected President Al Gore. Obama is an appeaser of the junta that ruined America. Nice work.