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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:14 AM Original message |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. I know it is a long read, but this guy is clearly THE expert. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I took the time to read every scrap of that. I hope he's right. There are some dismissive... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Those are good questions but isn't it just more likely that the valves |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. If, as he said, it's so important a process that there are 11 valves to do it, it... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Another great question. I certainly can't understand it either. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Yeah, and here's the kicker- while both explosions at No. 3 dwarfed the explosions at... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Reactor can vent either into containment or into open space. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
26. I read the whole thing, too...and had your same questions. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I'm sure he's a very smart guy, but he is not a nuclear scientist. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. You could be right. I don't think any predictions at this point are certain. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
28. Indeed, I hope he's right. |
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rdking647 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
53. this is a link to the article |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
4. Damn. best bit of writing on the subject I've seen since the crisis began. |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
5. Unrec for propaganda. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. With respect, it doesn't sound like you read it. |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. I was trained in Nnewcuelur by the US Navy. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I am hungry for more information. Could you tell me what he doesn't fully disclose if anything? |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #22 |
41. The many posts here on DU have the facts. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. "The generation of hydrogen of sufficient levels to cause said explosions ONLY occurs when the core |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Not true. |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Under what other conditions, aside from an exposed core, would those temps be reached? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. 800 degrees is nothing. A friggin' pizza oven gets to 750! lol nt |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. How much water in that pizza oven? Just wondering. nt |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. If it's any good as a pizza oven... |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. The tandoori oven at my local Indian restaurant cooks breads |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. What on earth is "Nnewcuelur"? |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. "Nnewcuelur" is a homage to Dumbya and some of our fellow DU members. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Ahhh, I thought that was 'nukular'. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Yep. This post will help kill people in Japan.... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. What about this post will kill people in Japan? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Two reactors with thousands of pounds of spent fuel have exploded... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Do you understand, at least, that the contents of the reactors did not explode? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. If you don't believe me, perhaps you'll believe Paradoxical, a big nuclear proponent: |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. If I recall,he was saying he was worried that spend fuel MAY be stored on top of the buildings |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Plus spent fuel is stored underground, not on top of buildings. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
61. From the Union of Concerned Scientists: |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I only said that I had no information to confirm the truth of that assertion. |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. If I read this training manual right, that spent fuel pool is a temporary holding tank |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Read this post (and referenced article).... |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. The reactors exploded? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Meh did you even read the OP. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. The spent fuel store ABOVE the reactors.... |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Plutonium in aerosol form will be easily detected by neighbouring countries... |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #27 |
50. No reactors have exploded. |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
7. K&R - all the DU doomers need to read this. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
11. Um, does the Dr. even know what kind of extremely dangerous fuel they're using? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. If I recall... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. He was refering to MOX. One of the reactors (not the one the author was talking about) |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. MOX isn't any more dangerous than uranium oxide. n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
44. MOX has significant percentages of Plutonium 240. |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
47. Aside from the radiation, both uranium and plutonium are highly toxic. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
52. No, it has a much lower melting & boiling point, because it's got a lot more plutonium than... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Fuel melting and meltdown are different. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
12. K&R. Thanks for posting...nt |
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warrior1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
14. since this way of |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I do not disagree. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
16. Thanks for injecting some facts into the the discussion. K&R. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
23. ill believe it if it happens, untill then he is making dangerous statements |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Yes, preparing for the worst is definitely smarter than assuming the best outcome. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. yeah i can see generating hope as a good thing, true. just so worried... |
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Kuroneko (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
24. Interesting reading |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
43. We're hearing some conflicting stuff |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Good question indeed! Maybe just out of prudence? I don't know... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
49. He strikes me as a knowledgeable optimist |
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rdking647 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
57. this should be required reading |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Perhaps in the context of this whole thread, yes |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
58. One of the Cable TV Channels Showed the China Syndrome Saturday Night |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
64. Dr. Oehman is a business expert...on the other hand there's this news |
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rdking647 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. if you read the article |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. The engineer who helped design the containment vessel for reactor core says... |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Some of the Q&A from the just concluded press conference in Japan |
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