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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:49 AM
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We got explosions all over but besides that everything is just peachy
I'm sorry, but all the constant reassurances of everything will be OK and there is no cause for alarm during the nuclear power plant crisis just makes me more nervous.

Its reminding me of Fox news slogan repeated over and over but a total lie, "Fair and balanced"

The more the reassurances come the more hollow they sound.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:51 AM
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1. I think that if the full horror of the current situation were know, the Japanese people....
would go after the people who assured them that all this was impossible with pitchforks, tar and feathers.

And THAT is why they lie.
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DUgosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:52 AM
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2. Slightly breached??
Is a term I heard this morning. Is that like being "a little pregnant"
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:20 PM
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23. A little bit fucked
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:54 AM
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3. Supposedly, the next 24 hours is critical.
But, seems I heard that before and if I hear it again tomorrow, my hope for a 3 Mile Island type resolution will be greatly diminished. For today. I haven't given up hope. Maybe the US and French experts can find an answer.
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:00 PM
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6. the facts
Yukiya Amano, head of the UN's nuclear watchdog, says Fukushima's reactor vessels "have held and radioactive release is limited" despite the effects of the earthquake and tsunami.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:54 AM
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4. One good thing is that we heard about the radiation exposure to the USS Ronald Reagan
Because, you know, that could have been covered up very easily. Very easily.

What does that mean? It means at least our own government is playing straight with us about exposure to U.S. servicemen and women, who are typically treated like shit by the govt. One can hope that such openness will continue.

If we cannot trust Tokyo Electric/Japanese Government to shoot straight with us, at least our own government seems to be shooting straight with us.

Although they have been a little quiet for my tastes.

PB
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 11:55 AM
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5. So, in case of an emergency, you want the authorities to tell everyone to panic?
Lots of engineers and workers are risking their lives to fix things damaged by the quake. Maybe they should just run instead?

Not sure what everyone expects? :shrug:
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willing dwarf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:00 PM
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7. My thoughts too are with the engineers and workers
who are there in the plants, adding water, knowing they might be subject to an explosion, or be present when a meltdown takes place. These people are showing incredible courage in the face of dire circumstances.

As for the government reports, this is really uncharted territory. None of know where it's heading, and I'm sure there's a lot of conflicting information. Just like shouting fire in a theater, you would want to be sure to do it in a way that people could make a careful, orderly pathway to the exits, not a crazed rush which might kill people than the fear of fire.

I don't think anyone's trying to paint a bright face on things, but they are trying to help the populace keep calm and carry on, because what more can anyone do?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:01 PM
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9. No, but the truth would be nice.
A lot of us downwind aren't buying the happy talk.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:09 PM
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12. Truth.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:00 PM
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8. It helps when you know the science behind WHY things are exploding...
and the fact of the matter is, hydrogen explosions in the outer compartment does not mean that there is about to be nuclear holocaust.

We are suppose to be the party of reason, not blind fear.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:04 PM
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10. +1. n/t
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:07 PM
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11. Well, it might be helpful
If we were to refer to them as hydrogen gas explosions instead of hydrogen explosion just to differentiate from the dreaded association with the 'H-bomb'. Most people don't remember chem class.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:11 PM
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13. It also helps to know WHEN things are exploding
Live news was largely absent in the hours following the first explosion.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:15 PM
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14. When rods are exposed, it's a whole new ballgame...
And we have two or three exposed now.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:26 PM
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18. Link? My understanding is, Rods were exposed, which is bad, unless you are able to recover them...
which was also my understanding.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 01:12 PM
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20. A "meltdown alert" has been issued...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12737508

The above is the only one left I can find, but read several "rod exposure" articles this morning.

I'm sure it's a hard line to watch between getting information and safety alerts out without sparking panic.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:16 PM
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15. I'll worry when we are all asked to take iodine tablets...
And I hope they don't wait unil it's too late.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:20 PM
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16. I'm located on the OTHER SIDE of the world...
I am old, I was pre-irradiated by atmospheric testing of atomic weapons. I have medical conditions that will show up on my death certificate, I am not very worried for myself...but I still feel bad for the Japanese who live near this.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:20 PM
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17. nuclear power plants do not explode, they melt down.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 12:47 PM
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19. "nuclear power plants do not explode, they melt down."
Really?

"The Chernobyl disaster was a nuclear accident that occurred on 26 April 1986 at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the Ukrainian SSR (now Ukraine). It is considered the worst nuclear power plant accident in history, and it is the only one classified as a level 7 event on the International Nuclear Event Scale.

The disaster began during a systems test on 26 April 1986 at reactor number four at the Chernobyl plant, which is near the town of Pripyat. There was a sudden power output surge, and when an emergency shutdown was attempted, a more extreme spike in power output occurred, which led to a reactor vessel rupture and a series of explosions. This event exposed the graphite moderator components of the reactor to air, causing them to ignite. The resulting fire sent a plume of radioactive fallout into the atmosphere and over an extensive geographical area, including Pripyat. The plume drifted over large parts of the western Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, and Northern Europe. Large areas in Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia had to be evacuated, and over 336,000 people were resettled. According to official post-Soviet data,<1><2> about 60% of the fallout landed in Belarus.

Despite the accident, Ukraine continued to operate the remaining reactors at Chernobyl for many years. The last reactor at the site was closed down in 2000, 14 years after the accident..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster



You caught that line in there, re: "a reactor vessel rupture and a series of explosions..." right?




Three Mile Island accident

"...After almost 80 minutes of slow temperature rise, the primary loop pumps began to cavitate as steam, rather than water, began to pass through them. The pumps were shut down, and it was believed that natural circulation would continue the water movement. Steam in the system prevented flow through the core, and as the water stopped circulating it was converted to steam in increasing amounts. About 130 minutes after the first malfunction, the top of the reactor core was exposed and the intense heat caused a reaction to occur between the steam forming in the reactor core and the Zircaloy nuclear fuel rod cladding, yielding zirconium dioxide, hydrogen, and additional heat. This fiery reaction burned off the nuclear fuel rod cladding, the hot plume of reacting steam and zirconium damaged the fuel pellets which released more radioactivity to the reactor coolant and produced hydrogen gas that is believed to have caused a small explosion in the containment building later that afternoon..

...On the third day following the accident, a hydrogen bubble was discovered in the dome of the pressure vessel, and became the focus of concern. A hydrogen explosion might not only breach the pressure vessel, but, depending on its magnitude, might compromise the integrity of the containment vessel leading to large scale release of radiation. However, it was determined that there was no oxygen present in the pressure vessel, a prerequisite for hydrogen to burn or explode. Immediate steps were taken to reduce the hydrogen bubble, and by the following day it was significantly smaller. Over the next week, steam and hydrogen were removed from the reactor using a catalytic recombiner and, controversially, by venting straight to the atmosphere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident


You did notice the references to the small explosion that DID occur and the ones they were concerned about but luckily avoided, right?


Excuse me if I now say you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

I swear the arrogance of some people is un-fucking-believable.


Hands off my Social Security!
Hands off Latin America!

rdb
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 06:52 PM
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21. an atomic bomb explodes
a reactor turns into a dirty bomb.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-11 07:18 PM
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22. but they just exploded
they produced hydrogen gas, that exploded. I mean it happened. You can even watch the you tube video of it. It's not a nuclear explosion, but jeepers it is an explosion.
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