If bombs start to drop...

[GSLevel9]

Obama and Company have gone from being our party that needs a kick in the ass now and then to being the opposition party.

[Bluebear]

1. Obama is going to the beach in Brazil, sorry.

Contact him upon his return.

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[meow mix]

2. Unrec for the victims of genocide

[GSLevel9]

3. are the victims of aerial bombing less righteous?

ridiculous.

[GSLevel9]

7. oh yeah...

I should EDIT myself... there won't BE ANY VICTIMS of our bombing, our bombs NEVER MISS.

I forgot.

[meow mix]

9. id rather take my chances with the bombs than having my limbs hacked off, or Ben

getting her hands on me.

give em a fucking chance.

[Zynx]

12. Gaddafi has been bombing his own people for the sole aim of retaining power for himself.

[readmoreoften]

6. Did you also support Iraq War 1?

I think it's disingenuous to say that those who don't support the no fly zone also don't support the rebels. Many rebels don't want Western interference. It's a civil war and they want the right to self-determination.

[joshcryer]

15. Iraq War 1 was not the same thing.

Iraq had invaded another country. It wasn't until the end of the conflict that there was murmurings of an uprising, which Bush I allowed to die in a well known massacre.

[Wilms]

10. Why is the term "genocide" being used with regard to current events in Libya?

I have not followed closely, but is there a racial, religious, or National group being targeted for annihilation? That would meet the definition as I understand it.

Murder, at minimum, seems an appropriate reference, but why "genocide"? Is it the "wow" factor?

[Duende azul]

23. Good question. n/t

[Iterate]

30. It's a bad use of the term,

but in all fairness, I get the impression that people don't feel the word "massacre" carries the magnitude they are trying to convey. The death toll could easily be over 100,000. That's mass murder or massacre in my book, and bad enough without calling it genocide.

Maybe it's just that the other words have been devalued.

There is a slight, and archaic, ethnic difference though between Libyans from the east (Cyrenaica) and NW (Tripolitania), as well as some others.

[NoTimeToulouse]

22. Are you unreccing for those whom Gaddafi has had killed?

[Wilms]

29. I think it's used as an e-slap in the face.

Cyber-spitting intent on "shaming" the poster. Looks like spitting into the wind from where I stand.

[Joe the Revelator]

4. You only care about preventing genocide when words will suffice? unrec

[Ozymanithrax]

5. So only the opposition party would support the Libyan people...

in trying to overthrow a government that is committing genocide? Qaddafi is slaughtering his people with a mercenary army lead by his sons. The people have asked for our help. This isn't about politics.

I am for the party that opposes genocide.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. 'I am for the party that opposed genocide'.....+1

[GSLevel9]

14. just curious...

who's giving support to the rebels? Any unsavory characters?

[Ozymanithrax]

20. Egyptians are supporting them with arms...

Are they unsavory?

The entire Arab League supports the rebels, which does include Syria considered by many as an unsavory government.

It is, however, irrelevant to consider who supports them. The rebels have asked for support against a government that is murdering its people. Supporting the people of Libya is the right thing to do.

[Duende azul]

24. The Iraqi Government is also murdering it's own people. Willl you bomb them?

What about Bahrain?

[Ozymanithrax]

34. The people have not started a popular revolution and asked...

our help against their government.

The people of Bahrain have not yet reached a point where they asked our help.

Interestingly, Bahrain is part of the Arab League and supports a no fly zone.

I know they are foreigners and it's easier to let them murder each other. It keeps our conscience clear.

[Duende azul]

26. Not correct: not the entire Arab League

Syria and Algeria among others opposed the decision.

[Ozymanithrax]

35. And five members of the UN security council abstained.

The Arab League as a group and the UN support this.

[Berserker]

8. Do you

prefer Khaddafy kills innocent people? I would like to know.

[GSLevel9]

11. What's the alternative?

Put AMERICAN boots on the ground (or in the air) in ANOTHER Muslim country? Great fucking idea. A couple more and Obama can have big giant NFL style GOLD RINGS made all covered in diamonds and rubies and sapphires. He can wear one on each finger... IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, IRAN and maybe PAKISTAN?

[NorthCarolina]

16. What will be deemed "expendable" to offset the cost of intervention in Libya?

I guess we'll all see soon enough.

[GSLevel9]

17. We have idle printing presses and we have plenty of ink.

What's the problem? And don't forget the pallets of $100 bills to give away to the rebel tribes.

[NorthCarolina]

19. Have you seen the cost of printer ink lately though?

I fear that soon the cost of the ink may exceed the face value of the bills it is printed on.

[blogslut]

18. Bombs have been dropping

Gaddafi was bombing his own people.

[NoTimeToulouse]

21. Agreed. Some miss the forrest for the trees.

[TheWraith]

27. Such bullshit. In case you hadn't noticed, guess where the planes are from?

Not the US. Canada, France, the UK--not us, not yet anyway. The desperate attempts by some people to paint this as some kind of psychotic warmongering imperialism on the part of the Obama administration are getting increasingly pathetic.

[Lasher]

36. No US planes? You can't be serious.

[Codeine]

28. Not enough unrec buttons in the world for this shit. nt

[Scurrilous]

31. LOL

Sure pal. :thumbsup:

[NoTimeToulouse]

32. How would you consider they be opposed?

[RZM]

33. Let's pretend for a sec

That international intervention doesn't happen and Libyan government forces crush the rebels with brute force. Do you really want to argue that this is a better option than intervention?