Smoking pot is good for you. No, really. It's good for you.

[Scuba]

marijuanamovie.org

Takes about 45 minutes to watch.

Caution: Contains scientific evidence - may be harmful to Teabaggers.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

1. I don't care...

I won't smoke it or support it. The only way I could ever support legalizing it is if it were taxed heavily and was only legal to buy thus being illegal to grow yourself.

I'd rather pot be kept illegal altogether. And before you ask no I don't drink or smoke anything.

[Xicano]

4. Do you eat processed food or other unhealthy food?

Do you believe YOU have autonomy over YOUR own body? What if others told you what you can and cannot do with YOUR own body despite the fact it harms no one else and really not even yourself?

Its about "Freedom" in a so-called free society. That's what its about, human rights.


Freedom yes!

:smoke:

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[eShirl]

9. "I'd rather pot be kept illegal altogether." Why?

[eShirl]

42. No, really. Why would you rather it be kept illegal?

[JTFrog]

10. How um, Liberal of you...

:eyes:

[vaberella]

15. Oh please! Being a liberal doesn't go as far as pot.

There are many conservatives who support the legalization of pot and ditto on the left. Let's not question someone's liberalism over something like pot.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

23. Exactly

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[TheCanadianLiberal]

37. Pot is like Christ? Give me a break.

And give me a 100% verifiable source of it making someone blind see.

[Bluenorthwest]

72. Try reading and dropping the snark

I said giving eyesight to the blind is an aspect of the Christ, which is shared by marijuana. That is not the same as saying 'pot is like Christ'. The herb shares a capability that the religious world has long used as one of the indicators of divinity. This would suggest in that context, not that the two things are 'alike' but that the one was embued by the other with an aspect of the divine, for the use of humans. If one is religious that is. Are you up to speed yet?
Marijuana as a treatment for glaucoma is just a matter of fact, you have a search engine, teach yourself. American Academy of Opthamology, which does not take my position entirely, as they favor manufactured drugs, gives much, much detail about their view right here http://one.aao.org/CE/PracticeGuidelines/Therapy_Content.aspx?cid=9871fa42-cf40-4c1f-b05c-c816d5f93126
It is real information, not word game fodder, so it might not be of interest to you.

They have many areas in mind for future studies as well as many conclusions already drawn. The first glaucoma patient I knew could not take the manufactured meds for other reasons, and her doctor gave her marijuana, this was 1971 or so. She was wildly religious and felt it was a sin. She eventually changed her mind, and she can still see, still can not use the other drugs for her condition. For her, and many others, it is life giving stuff.

[2gabby]

91. Personally i've seen ms patients eat

An individual in a wheelchair to weak to walk around. He ate a sandwich and got up and walked around a little bit. With handholds. I didn't even know he could walk. Dirt poor fellow living alone, frequently depressed, a really nice guy. Hope he's still doing okay.

But so what, right? Yeah, drug warriors don't care about him. And that's what makes me mad, because if its not about people, then what the hell is it about? $$$$$$

I think about this, and it feels like arguing over women's right to vote. Has the same self righteous write-u-off attitude. Hateful. Lives ruined in prison, prison nation, on and on. Hypocrites.

[elocs]

158. Better than that, at DU pot is God even to atheists.

I would bet some would want to see it put in infant formula for happier babies since it is the only substance known to be 100% beneficial and with zero side effects. Why even aspirin cannot make that claim.

[wildbilln864]

160. thanks for your opinion... though faulty! nt

:eyes:

[fascisthunter]

216. what an idiotic statement

you keep judging there, ms. perfect.

[Warren DeMontague]

226. I think we should make our many giant ridiculous DU straw men out of pot!

I mean, because obviously the only choices we have are to continue spending $40 Billion a year to keep consenting adults from smoking it, or to put it in baby formula. :eyes:

[cleanhippie]

271. Perhaps the most ignorant hyperbole post of the day. Congrats.

[Politicalboi]

212. Same goes for Jebus

At least we all know pot really DOES exists.

[Warren DeMontague]

225. No, pot isn't like Christ, because pot doesn't make people violent. nt

[EstimatedProphet]

82. It's not the sentiment, it's the attitude that goes with it.

Saying he would only be for legalization if it were taxed heavily and therefore no one were able to grow it themselves is bizarre for a liberal. Why feel that way? What possible sense does it make to be opposed to someone doing something, if it has no impact on you?

[tabasco]

87. No, we question someone's liberalism for being irrational.

Punishing for possessing pot and allowing use of alcohol = irrational.

[Matariki]

152. It fits the Authoritarian model that is hallmark of Conservatism. n/t

[TheCanadianLiberal]

233. I'm more conservative then most of you...

But I'd still call myself liberal because of my opinions on all the important issue. I don't see why we need to legalize getting stoned. Next thing you know people will be driving while stoned all the time etc.

[EOTE]

247. You don't need a reason to make something legal.

You need a damned good reason for making something illegal. News flash for you, genius, people already drive stoned. They tend to be far, far better drivers than those who drive on alcohol or lack of sleep. In fact, there's almost zero evidence which suggests that stoned drivers are any worse than the general population. And if you want to make driving while stoned, it still would be by default. You have said absolutely nothing in defense of your position, you've just thrown out numerous strawmen. So, do you have any actual reason for the position you take or did your mommy and daddy simply beat it into your head about how terrible the devil's weed is?

[snooper2]

248. It happens already my friend

:rofl:

How in the fuck do you think I was able to spend all weekend at my MIL's hoarded house. 4, count that FOUR trips to the dump with my truck loaded down. You think I could have done that without a couple grams of hydro? :rofl:


Now that I laughed so hard I started choking,
Time for another cig :)

[Scout]

257. "Next thing you know people will be driving while stoned all the time"

they already are.

[cleanhippie]

272. Ahh, the "important issues" you are liberal on.

You sir, are no liberal.

[EOTE]

246. You can be a conservative and support legalization of pot.

But it's pretty damned hard to be a liberal and NOT support it. You know, that whole liberty and harm reduction thing. If you don't support legalization, chances are you haven't done a whole lot of thinking.

[cleanhippie]

270. No, lets DO questions someones liberalism over something like pot. That EMBODIES liberalism.

Being a liberal is ALL ABOUT allowing people to be free to make personal choices as long as those choices harm or don;t interfere with someone else being able to make the same choices.

To be against the legalization of a plant that can easily be grown in a garden, and grows naturally in the wild speaks volumes that ones truly is NOT a liberal.

[Codeine]

27. Pot is a silly litmus test for liberalism.

Trade unionism, social justice, class warfare, civil rights, environmentalism, universal healthcare -- these are all far, far more important than making sure people can get stoned at will.

I honestly think half of DU would give up everything else as long as they could have cheap, legal weed.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. It is the medicine that makes my life possible.

Stoned at will. What tripe. The characterization of those who do not agree with you does not serve as replacement for reasoning, for facts. You have shared your opinion of other DUers, but not a word about why you have the opinion you have. You speak of others, not of issues.
So I guess your way of life leads to snarking at others, but not to having soild foundations for your 'belief'. Lots of time to draw a picture of others, not a word about why you hold the opinions you hold.
It is almost as if you have no actual argument to make, just some snark for those who do not agree. Does that persuade people in your world? To me it is shallow and off putting.

[Codeine]

38. I'm merely drawing a conclusion about it being a litmus test.

I don't see a contradiction between being a liberal and opposing pot. :shrug: Personally I'm absolutely pro-legalization. I also believe the VAST majority of the medical justifications for smoking pot are baloney; most smokers are interested only in getting high. There's nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but it doesn't rise to the level of an important liberal plank to me.

[Bluenorthwest]

84. So you are calling me a liar. Based on your dogmas.

Good for you. By judging others to be mendacious about their health issues, you are able to pronounce that this is not about humanity and decency. Because of what you 'believe'. Not facts, beliefs unsupported by anything but your desire to belive it. Not impressive at all. People belive all sorts of crap. The fact that they belive it means nothing about the truth of the belief.
Those who offer their faith and opinion in lieu of fact do so for a reason, always. So belive as you wish. You will anyway. That sort of mindset is as it is, dogma and assumption will always trump facts.
So I give my testimony and you shout 'liar'. And I am supposed to take that kindly, or as reason, or as logic, or as more thoughful than my views, my doctor's views, the views of the doctors who give second opinions? I'll stick with reality, you can 'belive' what you want. Faith can be a comfort I know.

[Tsiyu]

178. [phone]

Thank you for all of your comments on this thread.

It seems on some issues, "liberals" are very, very far from actual liberal philosophy.

Want to get trashed on alcohol just because? Great!!!! We won't ever start a thread advocating making alcohol illegal! Cuz we like alcohol! We're safe! Lucky us! We're the chosen ones!


But want to use cannabis because you are sick, because it helps you function? NO!!!!!

It really makes me sad to see this here. It's authoritarian, pro-corporation, pro-Big Pharma, pro-prison industry. The attitude has no place in a caring society or on a progressive message board.

And when I see that attitude, I know those people are hypocrites, authoritarian assholes and JUST PLAIN MEAN PEOPLE.

If you're hating on people and advocating punishing people with MS, PTSD, cancer, glaucoma, etc., who get relief from this drug, YOU are an authoritarian ASSWIPE. I hope you never have need of the help cannabis gives.

But I won't say I hope the authoritarians suffer all the pain they want others to suffer. Than I would be an asshole like they are.


Over a plant for godsakes, a fucking plant.......:grr:

[Melinda]

195. I'd recommend your post and "truely liberal" attitude a thousand times over if possible...

Bravo to you and to Blue as well for her contributions on this thread. Words escape me as I read such authoritarian crap posted on a progressive site, and then voices of reason appear. Thanks to both of you. :hi:

[Tsiyu]

200. Thanks, Melinda

:fistbump:

Some of those posts are quite amazing to read on a "progressive" site, but there they are.

And to those who say "it's not a priority" I say, I'm not GLBT, but equal rights will always be a priority for me; I'm not of childbearing age, but reproductive choice will always be a priority for me; I'm not homeless, but affordable housing will always be a priority for me.

All of these issues are intertwined.

When 1 in 100 adults in America is in prison - many for cannabis - how is it that otherwise intelligent people cannot make the connection between the "War on Cannabis" costing us billions and the fiscal shortfall the government swears is crushing us?

It's all connected, but some people are too brainwashed by anti-cannabis propaganda to get that. I truly do feel sorry for people who are so blind, deaf and dumb. They are pawns of the greedy and the cruel.

Again, thanks.

[bettyellen]

173. the litmus test is a straw man, most here are not one issue voters, like those sucker "right to life...

republicans. we walk and chew gum, fight against poverty and for environmental regulations, etc and have come to realize the war on drugs is mainly a war on America's poor. It is not progressive to "not care" because it doesn't effect you personally - not if you know in your heart these laws ravage families, encourage the for profit incarceration system, criminalize treatment of MS and cancer patients while doing nothing to protect the health or general welfare of our nation. Outlawing pot helps no private citizen, not a one.
I can't get pregnant, so if I took your view, I shouldn't care about other's right to reproductive self determination. But I do, because I understand the need for so many others. Can't you make that leap? You can actually manage it and hold other political views too. Many people are capable of doing it, even stoners.

[Ghost in the Machine]

202. No one really cares what YOU *believe*..

.. and unfortunately for you, the medical and scientific communities disagree with your *beliefs*.

The Studies

Marijuana Fights:

Heart Disease
Cancer
Diabetes
Osteoporosis
Alzheimer's
Liver Disease
Epilepsy
Skin Allergies
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
Anxiety and Depression

and is also Neuroprotective and Causes Neurogenesis (brain cell growth)

http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/studies.htm

Go ahead, check the site out, click on the links to the studies.. they all link to government studies at the National Institute of Health. For a guy who always denounces "woo", and hearalds himself as a believer in science, you seem to be ignorant of some crucial facts about marijuana. Perhaps maybe you should compose a letter to the College of Physicians and tell them how wrong they are, too.

[Codeine]

235. I was unclear.

I'm aware of mj's medicinal properties, but it's evident that the vast majority of its users are not using it medicinally. The medical justification is window dressing for those folks. It is about getting stoned. My wording was fuzzy.

And I'm for legalizing it (I voted for legalization in the last election, in fact), I just do not feel that someone should be derided as a non-liberal if they don't espouse a legalization position.

[Ghost in the Machine]

236. Thanks for clearing that up, then...

It seemed out of character for you...

I have used it for both purposes.. I enjoyed just getting a nice buzz, but I have also used it to control pain. I have to say that it worked quite well for a while. I hated the thought of having to take pain pills, since they really made me unable to function and, being a single father, I really needed to be able to function. It got to the point though, where the mj just didn't work as good, plust the fact that I was spending 250 - 300/mo on weed, whereas my insurance covers my prescription and it only costs me $2.50 for 120 hydro 10's. The bad part is, now I'm fuckin' addicted to the opiates... taking 8 a day for relief, where one or two joints per day used to do the trick...

[Mojorabbit]

227. I have MS

delete cause it isn't worth it

[TheCanadianLiberal]

35. I think your right.

There are much larger issues then getting stoned .

[BeFree]

46. Definetly larger issues

Like getting nuked.

Funny how that you can be arrested for growing pot but if you want to grow cesium the govt will loan you the money to get started. Billion$.

Is that funny, or what?

[Le Taz Hot]

41. Wait a minute.

It's about self determination and that is a very liberal viewpoint. It's no different than a woman's right to choose. It's a violation of privacy rights implied in the Constitution and I"m not going to minimize that. If you don't think criminalization of marijuana doesn't hit ALL the buttons you mentioned, you're wrong:

Trade unionism - the unions in California support the upcoming legalization ballot measure because it opens up the possibility of union jobs.
Social justice - people are in PRISON for less than one ounce of marijuana, yet the bankster roam free.
Class warfare - rich people can get off on drug arrests. If you have any questions, look up Rush Limbaugh.
Civil rights - -pot busts are disproportionately applied to racial minorities,
Environmentalism - nothing more environmentally friendly than locally-grown organic pot.
Universal health care -- If legalized, pot becomes an accessible medication to millions of people without making them criminals.

We're liberals, we can multi-task.

[JTFrog]

54. Indeed. n/t

[boobooday]

59. +1

You make the point very well.

[lumberjack_jeff]

75. When one of those tasks is kicking people out of the tent over this, count me out.

I think pot should be legalized, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over the topic.

[Le Taz Hot]

83. Those of us who believe pot should be legalized have

already been "kicked out of the tent" so-to-speak by going against the current "Democratic" administration that enthusiastically supports the war on drugs -- and by extension -- his war on the poor and middle class. The poster was simply trying to point out that pot criminalization is not consistent with with a liberal point of view whose foundation as ALWAYS been personal liberty. I added a couple of details.

As for being "kicked out of the tent," I'd just like to say I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me by demanding that I ignore my own conscience.

[fascisthunter]

89. well said...

people have no problems with wars but pot?

[2gabby]

103. if you were losing sleep without it, you might

Not to be too snarky, but seriously, pain is a daily issue for a lot of people. Hourly. Inescapable. It's not something I write off anymore, especially with the added insight fibromyalgia brought home. Laugh at me if you want to, while I adjust my numbing arm, tingling fingers and sore neck. Just the little stuff I woke up with, most patients have it a lot worse. Won't stop me from doing the laundry, and from the outside I look just fine. Just fine. Tell myself that a lot. It helps.

[shanti]

164. amen, sister!

:thumbsup:

[Maru Kitteh]

198. No different than a woman's right to choose? So you equate enslavement as breeding chattel

with the right to get baked. Rrrriiggghhhht.

[Tsiyu]

207. Yeah, cuz no one is imprisoned for using cannabis

We don't have a War on which we spend billions so that 1 in 100 adults is imprisoned in this society over their choice of what to do with their own bodies. Rrrriiggghhhht.

[Maru Kitteh]

209. You're right! Being forced to bear a rape baby is JUST LIKE having to play frisbee golf sober.

[Tsiyu]

211. As a woman, in my lifetime

the law has stated that abortion is legal. No one has been imprisoned for having an abortion. Many have been imprisoned for using cannabis.

And your comparison is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

If it were as simple as wanting to "play frisbee golf sober" you might have a point. But I believe only a child - or a childish, cruel person - would frame it that way.

For many, cannabis means the difference between being able to function or being completely disabled by their medical conditions.

Your post truly saddens me beyond what I can say here.

[Ghost in the Machine]

215. +1000

How do we combat the ignorance, though? :shrug:

[Tsiyu]

240. Ghost, it's gotta be willful ignorance

Coupled with the ole "I-Got-Mine-Fuck-You" attitude adopted by many Americans (and Canadians :shrug: who knew?) today.

It must be some subliminal messages they broadcast on Beck and American Idol :sarcasm:


WE don't make a harmful drug legal and make an unharmful one illegal and then call ourselves scientific, rational beings or even beings capable of any adult form of critical thinking.

And we don't deprive sick people of good, cheap, easy-to-produce relief just because:

"Well, I don't have to tell you. Nyah! But it in no way relates to what I choose to do with my body parts. Only specific, gender-related body parts are covered when it comes to the right to make choices concerning one's own body."

In the future, if America survives as a society, we will look like fools...

[Maru Kitteh]

217. If you have a problem with the comparison then your problem is with the OP I was responding to.

I'm not only pro-legalization but as a provider, I may even find myself writing a script for MM in the not-that-soon but not-so-distant future... but the poster's assertion that marijuana consumer's rights (based on self-determination and privacy which would certainly include recreational use now, wouldn't it) are JUST LIKE a woman's right to choose is offensive and idiotic.

Cannabis is a fundamentalist religion for some people, and like all fundamentalists "preaching the word" - it leads them to some outrageously dishonest justifications.

[Tsiyu]

238. I understood the OP perfectly well

You, not at all.

[vim876]

265. No.

I'm not even sure I agree that it's the same, but that's a "hempman" argument. A better analogy would be: "Being forced to bear a rape baby is JUST LIKE having to choose between opiate addiction and severe pain (with attendant depression, shortened lifespan, etc."

[Le Taz Hot]

243. What part of RIGHT TO CHOOSE aren't we understanding here?

I took considerable time to write that rebuttal and all you got was "the right to get baked?" Don't confuse me with the facts I know what I know kinda thing, huh? I'll chant for your enlightenment.

And by the way, for whatever it's worth:

http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/studies.htm

[lumberjack_jeff]

73. Exactly. n/t

[shanti]

163. freedom of choice

isn't that a cornerstone of liberalism?

[Codeine]

167. Is it?

I wouldn't agree that absolute freedom of choice is a cornerstone of ANY ism. Well, maybe anarchism I suppose. But as I stated, I'm pro-legalization, I just find myself mystified with the importance people give it.

[RegieRocker]

188. It is the cornerstone. As long as it doesn't harm anyone else but

themselves. That is all you need to be concerned with. People risk their lives in many ways but that is legal. There is no risk to marijuana other than getting arrested. I would write more but I must cut my grass our I will get ticketed. One more thing how is legalizing marijuana complete freedom of choice? Doesn't freedom of choice pertain to having abortions and thousands of other issues?

[ohheckyeah]

229. What's mystifying about it?

In most states medical marijuana is not legal, thus people who find that marijuana alleviates suffering find themselves criminals for using it. Why should they have to suffer or run the risk of being arrested because some assholes think that marijuana is 'evil'?

[Warren DeMontague]

193. It's a litmus test for whether you're rational, or an authoritarian control freak.

Sorry, it is.

I'm sure there are self-described "liberals" who can come up with long-winded, authoritative sounding explanations for why they think porn, or gay sex, or any number of other choices entered into willingly by consenting adults that don't harm or endanger others should be illegal.

But whatever label those folks want to hang on themselves, I think the need to control the behavior of others is out of line.

[provis99]

234. yeh, well he's opposed to all these things, too.

CanadianLiberal is a TexasConservative.

[cleanhippie]

273. All of those issues, including the prohibition of harmless substances, are all interlinked

and all fall under the banner of liberalism. With just one of those issues properly resolved, the rest would easily fall into place. They are all interconnected.

[annabanana]

11. sure thing nanny . . . . .

Whatever you say.

[trumad]

13. So do you mean to tell me....

that when you wake up in the morning, that's as good as you're going to feel all day?

Boring.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

22. No, but I don't need pot to make me feel good.

[Maine-ah]

26. no, but some of us do.

I have a neck injury that has haunted me for years. Not only do I have pain in my neck, I also can't remember what it is like to live with out a head ache. Then the migraines at least twice a week. I smoke pot. It relieves the pain. I'd rather smoke pot, than get hooked on pain pills.

We just passed medical MJ in Maine. Too bad my medical issues didn't make the list of "acceptable" medical problems. It's safer than pain pills. It's safer than alcohol.

And yes, I believe it should be legal.

It's cheap to grow, and the plant is useful for more things than just "getting high", but the pharmaceutical companies, and the textile industries would lose too much money.

Our government wastes billions of dollars a year fighting it. Our elected officials have their pockets lines by the pharmaceutical industry. It's about the money, not people getting high.

[RegieRocker]

49. You a loving fan of alcohol then?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

51. Nope, I don't use anything.

No Pot, cigarettes, alcohol, etc. Nothing at all.

[RegieRocker]

52. So no one else should either?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

55. I just don't think we should....

go to any special lengths to legalize pot.

[RegieRocker]

58. But it's ok to keep alcohol legal?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

61. I'd have no issue if it were illegal

I just don't think we should put effort or time into drug laws there are far more important and dire things going on.

I don't care about pot, or alcohol. I care about starving people, the economy and generally more important things.

[RegieRocker]

74. Hemp was a tremendous part of the economy for a long time

in this country and because of the fear mongering of the effects of pot it became illegal. Hell. no drugs were illegal until the late 1800's and it making them illegal did not rid the country of them. This country seemed to do fine with no drugs being illegal. Retaining or reacquiring one's freedom is paramount and the most important thing. You go ahead and not use anything that is your choice but I really don't appreciate you limiting me to alcohol and supporting that.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

98. Pot does not equal Hemp

They may be similar but they are not the same. I'd love to see more hemp produced for paper and stuff. Hemp won't get you high.

[RegieRocker]

105. Did you miss this?

"because of the fear mongering of the effects of pot it became illegal"?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

107. No...

I'm not fear mongering though. I can't control those who do.

[RegieRocker]

117. Then why are you against the legalization of pot?

[WillyT]

111. Wow... A New Category: NeoPuritan !!!

I LOVE the attitude of the "My Body Is My Temple" puritans toward others... "less fortunate".

:wtf:

:banghead:

[EOTE]

250. Who also admitted to using alcohol and other drugs currently on this thread.

So that would be a NeoPuritan liar at that.

[EOTE]

249. Can't even keep things straight in a single thread?

I'll quote you:

"I don't like to take drugs if I can avoid it but I take Celebrex for an arthritic knee (2 operations) and take supplements and vitamins to stay as healthy as I can. I still drink alcohol occasionally and I tell myself it's good for me because of the beneficial effects on the heart although I know it's probably killing brain cells."

So, you admit to taking Celebrex and alcohol, now you're saying you don't do anything? Too hungover to remember you drink alcohol? Or are you simply unable to get your facts straight?

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[TheCanadianLiberal]

100. I can't help you find what is not there...

And no I'm not one of those people. I just live my life day to day without any of that stuff.

[shanti]

165. well goody for you

:eyes:

[2gabby]

88. what about the people that do?

What about the people that do need it? Shall we be content with making it cost prohibitive. And the far more dangerous pain killers and antidepressants they are prescribed? All about money. Being written off, it reminds me of the old joke at NORML, that the effort is led by the sick and dying, its why we never win. But I'm not bitter.

[wildbilln864]

119. then don't use it!

But don't let your ridiculous belief deny others their relief.

[bettyellen]

30. paraphrasing Frank Sinatra, huh? Love it!

[trumad]

144. Actually---the first time I ever heard that....

was in the movie called the Wedding.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2648216320/tt0078481

I didn't know Frank said it...but it is a great saying.

[bettyellen]

169. he said he felt sorry for people who don't ever drink, etc....

I think it's about the smartest thing he ever said. LOL. And I think he actually did originate the line.

[donheld]

269. Masterbation works well too

:hide::D

[spanone]

21. who cares?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

24. You?

You replied to it.

[pipoman]

25. So then, you support the "war on drugs", huh?

You like keeping the pot cartels loaded with cash and arms, huh? Would you also like a return to alcohol prohibition? If even one person dies in this silly war on drugs (of coarse there have been thousands annually), that would be one more than would die because of legalized pot..it is really a no-brainer.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

99. Do I?

You assume to much. You thin that the gangs and stuff would go away if it were legalized? Are you that naive? They'd just change to something else.

[pipoman]

180. What?

Prohibition causes black markets. Remove prohibition and kill the money. Are you saying that taking the money out of their cash crop wouldn't hinder them? What else are they going to trade in which can be as easily negotiated and has the demand? Nothing.

[EOTE]

255. Apparently you've never heard of this little thing called prohibition.

Here's a clue for you, nanny, when prohibition ended, so did the black market. People stopped getting killed over alcohol. I'm sure they'd try to find work elsewhere, but people stopped getting killed over something so stupid. Even accounting for people getting killed by drunk drivers, the end of prohibition spared many a life. Are you that dense as to have learned nothing from the history of prohibition? Do you think anything through before forming an opinion?

[Canuckistanian]

31. Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. ...

:smoke:

[TheCanadianLiberal]

32. Yep it is.

And I woulden't expect to see legal pot for years. I'll keep support the current laws behind it.

[pipoman]

181. Canadian type laws or US type laws...?

[Agent William]

53. +1.3

That movie is epic!

[sarcasmo]

36. Legalize it now!

[TheCanadianLiberal]

39. Lets not...

[Amaya]

95. are you bored and trying to get attention?

how cute ;)

[TheCanadianLiberal]

97. Nope

I said what I thought and then started getting a bunch of comments about how I feel about the subject.

I don't personally care what any of you think, but some of you seem to care an awful lot about those who don't agree with you.

[Ghost in the Machine]

205. Yeah, let's just keep spending billions of dollars per year on the failed "War on Drugs" and on

prosecuting and jailing citizens for using/possessing a plant that grows naturally, harms no one, and helps millions of people, instead of legalizing it, regulating it and taxing it, thereby creating revenue from taxes, not to mention the cottage industries that would spring up, which would create jobs...

[leeroysphitz]

43. I can think of at least two things wrong with your user name. n/t

[TheCanadianLiberal]

44. Well then? Name em'

[shanti]

166. hello!

i have to laugh when i see someone's moniker pointing out what a liberal democrat they are :eyes: by their words, you shall know them....

[RegieRocker]

47. Are you a American citizen?

Oh wait you are not. Sorry it doesn't matter what you think. The op's post was about legalizing it in the US not the world.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

50. My username should clear that one up for you.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

56. Either way...

Just because I'm not American doesn't mean my opinions don't matter. Thats a tad bit conservative of you to say...

You're just pissed because I don't think you should be able to get high legally.

[RegieRocker]

60. Oh I can get high legally by using alcohol. Which has a

tremendous amount of ill effects none of which pot has. But that is OK right?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

62. Stop talking for me...

I never said that was ok. Don't assume.

[RegieRocker]

65. You do realize that even foods and other types of drink

have a causal effect on a person right? So in essence many things effect your mood and thinking. So in essence one is unable to completely avoid being stimulated or relaxed etc. The bottom line is the fact pot is illegal and alcohol is not. This constitutes a breach of freedom. No one says you have to consume alcohol and many want no one to tell them they can't consume pot.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

102. Where do we draw the line?

First pot then what? Cocaine? LSD? Heroin? Meth?

[RegieRocker]

125. First alcohol. You still miss the point that many things

effect your mood that are legal today. Why do you fear pot so much?

[phleshdef]

127. We draw the line on anything you can realistically overdose on or easily causes permanent damage.

Which would mean marijuana and alcohol become or remain legal. Cocaine, LSD, Heroin and Meth stay illegal.

[RegieRocker]

132. You can overdose on alcohol not marijuana so that means......

[phleshdef]

138. Well, it takes a significant amount of alcohol to get alcohol poisoning...

...its not like swallowing a bunch of pills in one sitting or shooting one too-strong dose of heroine into your blood stream or snorting way too much cocaine up your nose all at once. I think the nature of drinking alcohol qualifies it to be safe enough for people to not easily overdose on it so it should remain legal. Most people who drink do not get alcohol poisoning, ever. They just don't take it that far.

And yea, I'm not sure how marijuana overdose would even be possible. I'd pass out before I ever got close enough.

[RegieRocker]

148. Useful facts

Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0


more http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30

[EOTE]

258. Marijuana overdose IS impossible. Alcohol poisoning is rather easy.

I'd say the great bulk of college students have experienced alcohol poisoning. Throwing up after binge drinking? Most likely due to alcohol poisoning.

[cleanhippie]

274. Which means the booze lobby is strong, the MJ lobby not so much...

and thats all it means.

[here_is_to_hope]

155. No overdose possible on LSD, just fyi, ya know. n/t

[wildbilln864]

162. link please?

evidence? :shrug:

[RegieRocker]

168. Poster is saing no death from lsd overdose

[phleshdef]

197. Yea but can't you still do some serious brain damage if you take too much at once?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

219. Marijuana is believe to cause problems...

for some people in terms of mental conditions...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090202175105.htm

[phleshdef]

244. Loads of horse shit.

[ladywnch]

161. one of the S. American countries leagalized ALL drugs and the result

has been a decline in crime AND drug use. All the monies and facilities that were used in the war on drugs is now being used for treatment. Citizens can get treated at no cost to them and can return as many times as needed (if the relapse). It has helped their economy too.

and for the record, I think it is just great that you don't use anything.....Congratulations you lucky devil. Unfortunately, there those of us that need the medicine.....just like a diabetic needs insulin or any other chronic problem needs care and under the current medical marijuana laws we are all still subject to arrest and imprisonment every day.

My caregiver was raided by the Sheriff's dept several months ago. 15 SWAT soldiers swooped down on him at his home to find a whole 4.5 pounds of pot. According to the statues he is authorized to have 4 pounds. But because myself and a few others hadn't gotten to his house yet for our allotment he was over. Even though the State says this is legal he was raided and will likely be in limbo for at least 2 years (the time they have to formalize charges). The legal fees (not to mention the money they took out of his safe) may well cost him his home and his other business.

Legalization is the only answer.....unless you enjoy watching people suffer needlessly and have their lives destroyed...needlessly.

[Bluenorthwest]

90. Hey, Canadian, I can use medical marijuana legally in my

American State, I have a State issued license that says so. When we made that law, we did not, of course, count the votes of those who live in other nations, who can make their own laws. Of course, other than Holland, no country on Earth is easier to buy pot in than Canada. I have never been in Canada more than 36 hours without being offered non medical pot by street vendors. Most of that crap is grown by illegal gangs who use harsh chemicals, and do harm to the community with their methods, so that Canadian gang pot is no good, but it is everywhere, and whatever laws you guys make, they sure are not doing much to stop the commercial, gang controlled grows that are a blight on Vancouver.
Here, we grow our own and the State has the address if they want to come see. In Canada, the vending is done by kids on skateboards, the growing is done by criminal syndycates, massively. Famous for it, BC is.
So your laws work out great for the gangs and drug dealers, they make huge bank, buy real estate, influence politics, just as any prohibition does.
It is often the case that those who make weak cases for keeping marijuana illegal have a vested financial interest in keeping the prices high, the market underground. In Canada, this is particularly true. I always think about that. Bootleggers supported prohibition, of course they did! It made them rich!
This is why I always look for actual, fact based opinions. Declarations of support for the illegal status, when not accompanied by clear, well stated reasoning, have to be suspect in a context where the illegal status is making many rich in Canada and the US. Among those who want pot to remain controlled are those who profit from those controls, law enforcment, criminals, and those who profit from alcohol. That is just a fact.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

104. So you think...

I have some part in the pot industry because I want it to stay illegal?

[Bluenorthwest]

147. I have no idea. People keep asking you what your reasons

are for your opinion, you keep playing silly rhetorical games, as you just did yet again. What is the foundation for your strong set of beliefs, dreams you have, God's word? An article, a story from your own experience? What's your why, your wherefore, this framing, what is it built upon?
I'd asssume that a Canadian with your point of view might know about the situation in BC, so I thought we could do some 'Canadian content' for your sake. It did not help.
Too dull to do any longer, eh?

[EOTE]

259. You're not going to get an honest answer.

I'm guessing it was from some DARE presentation she saw when she was a grade schooler or something. You're certainly not going to get an honest answer because this poster would be far too embarrassed to tell the actual reason.

[stevedeshazer]

106. +1

[wildbilln864]

122. but we can get high legally!

on alcohol! A very, very dangerous drug.

[EOTE]

256. How about your utter refusal to think things through?

I would think that would be a damned good reason as to why your opinions don't matter.

[Shagbark Hickory]

48. +1 for ballsily speaking your mind.

I don't necessarily agree with you but points for balls.
Balls are big with me.

Just some background, it wasn't until a year or two ago that I supported trying TRYING/legalizing it in california. See, we haven't enough to create jobs or curb the overbreeding problems, so we have to find some way for people to get by. We also haven't been able to stop the mexican drug cartel violence and flow of their MJ in to our country. That's another big reason.

But I've known enough people who started with MJ as kids and migrated to drugs that messed them up or even in one case killed them, to be wary of legalizing it all at once.

[RegieRocker]

140. For most ,kids start with alcohol first period.

No ifs and or buts about it. On rare exceptions and I have known one, he started with sniffing glue. Didn't like alcohol. Died at the age of 26. Tobacco and alcohol are easily obtained so to think those aren't the first in the vast majority is downright ludicrous.

[Shagbark Hickory]

151. Well see that argument doesn't work on me.

Because I am not against banning or seriously limiting alcohol.
I am very much for a complete ban of tobacco production. Big tobacco is responsible for genocide in my opinion.

[RegieRocker]

153. Dion't be silent now. What is your reason for being against

the legalization of pot then?

[Shagbark Hickory]

156. Because in an absense of jobs, economic reforms, and basic social policies

We have to let some people in california become drug dealers.

[RegieRocker]

157. That makes no sense to me what so ever. Explain why you

don't want to see pot legalized.

[Shagbark Hickory]

171. But I do. In California. Lets start with California and see how that goes.

Then we'll talk about other states or even the whole nation.

[RegieRocker]

172. What does legalizing marijuana have to do with

absence of jobs, economic reforms, and basic social policies?

[Shagbark Hickory]

182. Ask the pro-MJ crowd. They're the ones they keep saying it will create jobs.

I'm the one that keeps saying, prove it. Lets start with california. It's basically legal there now if you got about $300, you can buy 5 minutes with a doctor to write a perscription.

See unlike so many idealogues, I'm open to ideas.

[RegieRocker]

183. You made the statement and you're not willing to explain why you

made it.

[Shagbark Hickory]

192. I believe I just did. Were you referring to another statement?

More people will be hired to work at marijuana dealers, distributors, growers(*).
OTOH, less cops needed, less jail, less bondsman.
Definitely plausible. Lets see.

* The part where I have doubts about the economic viability of this lies with the subject of growing.

[RegieRocker]

194. So it's about economics not freedoms?

[Shagbark Hickory]

196. Yes, for me that's what it's all about. But..

You see, I'm what I like to refer to as a "common sense communist"

Others that believe it should be legalized are libertarians that are more into the "freedom" aspect of it, whereas I believe it it don't make dollas, then it don't make sense.

[RegieRocker]

208. I see, it's all about money. Buy your freedoms.

[Shagbark Hickory]

228. Well it's been an interesting exchange I guess. did I answer all of your questions?

I'm Still unsure as to what your position is on it.
Am I correct in assuming you believe marijuana use and possession should be a right?

[RegieRocker]

264. A freedom yes.

[EOTE]

260. I see. So California should have a basic freedom.

Whilst everyone else can fuck off until everything gets organized. That's one of the silliest arguments I've ever heard.

[fascisthunter]

64. but why?

[Threedifferentones]

86. So then you'd prefer alcohol and tobacco be outlawed as well, right?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

101. I've commented on this before...Look at some other responces for my answer...

[Vanje]

114. every party needs

a pooper

[butterfly77]

135. Why do you want to control something...

that really isn't being controlled, it can grow anywhere.The same people who are suppose to enforce the laws smoke it too. I know many people who get it anytime they want just plain stupid just a waste of time and money...

[krabigirl]

137. Scary. Well you know what, I don't give a crap what you think.

Eating cannabis or ingesting hemp oil has been proven to help many ailments. I do agree that smoking anything isn't too healthy, but if you don't want to, just don't smoke it.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

220. You think I care if you care?

We don't agree, simple as that. We'll both keep supporting our ideas and neither one of us has to care about the other.

[anarch]

154. why would you want it to be illegal to grow? that doesn't make any sense to me

Taxing the sale of it I can see...makes a tremendous amount of sense, especially given the current economic situation. I don't care about your personal preferences, but how can you want a plant that grows out of the ground to be illegal to grow? That's like making tomatoes illegal. Ridiculous...and pretty regressive, if you ask me.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

222. If it were legal..

I'd only want it sold in a store. The tax could go to things like our health care up north and such. If someone were to grow it them self no tax would be collected thus why it should be illegal. also you insure some quality control when if can only be sold in store from companies licensed to produce it.

[anarch]

224. I see. So, why not make the same rule for all food and drink?

Or clothes, or anything else that people might be able to cultivate or make for themselves? In my opinion, your position is absurd.

[Vanje]

179. Ah! This is performance art!

is'nt it?

[Taitertots]

184. Why? Marijuana prohibition has only caused negative results

What reason could you possibly have for making millions of people much worse off?

[demwing]

191. You deal, right?

You 're just protecting your investments. I get it, really.

If it's legalized, you're out of a job, and that would surely suck...

[TheCanadianLiberal]

223. Nope.

I've never touched the stuff.

[demwing]

241. ok, well, I'm convinced.

really.

[EOTE]

261. Self delete.

[killbotfactory]

206. Do marijuana activists want to make it mandatory?

Or are you one of those people that don't mind if something is banned (regardless of the effectiveness, unintended side effects, or purpose of such a ban), because it doesn't personally effect you?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

230. I care what is and is not illegal...

I just think pot should stay illegal.

[cleanhippie]

275. And yet you have FAILED to state a case as to WHY is needs to be illegal.

Not liberal of you at all.





oh yeah, you nonsense about people being stoned driving, bullshit.

[slay]

231. The words of one who lives in denial

it's good for you - so you're against it. I applause your foxnews thinking style. :sarcasm: why do you care? leave people alone. if they want to smoke weed it's none of your business. what's wrong with you?

also people can cook it into food so there is no need to actually inhale it into their lungs. cancer patients and AIDS patients need it you heartless person!

why do you feel the right to tell others how to live? it's not like anyone's making you do it - but you want to keep that right from others? seriously? have you actually thought this out? unfreakingreal.

[devilgrrl]

239. Cool. More pot for me.

:hi:

[EOTE]

245. So you're not a hypocrite.

You just want to play nanny for everyone and make sure that no one can enjoy themselves or be happier than you. How odd to see a Canadian jackass.

[WatsonT]

251. May I ask why?

I'm curious about your rationale for wanting it generally banned.

[CommonSensePLZ]

277. You disagree that marijuana is a miracle drug that is vital to society!? =o

How dare you question the wisdom and perfection of pot and attempt to think for yourself! You are truly a terrible person, a blight on humanity and completely deserving of all the hate you have received and will receive any time you disagree with anyone supporting the pro-pot lobby.

:sarcasm:

[AngryAmish]

2. I don't care either

But there is no way it should be illegal. Personal liberty demands it.

There is a long list of stupid things people should not do. There should be a very good reason why any of it should be illegal. There is not a good reason to make pot illegal, no matter how annoying potheads are.

[Angry Dragon]

3. Have MJ and alcohol have the same laws

[bluedave]

17. I'm

with you 100%

[FLPanhandle]

5. Probably not.

It shouldn't be illegal for those that want to smoke it though.

Ingesting smoke into your lungs is never "good" for them, even if you like some of the side effects.

Make it legal, but no need to spin it as a healthy thing to do.

[Scuba]

6. Watch the movie, then post again please. n/t

[FLPanhandle]

7. I did.

Not buying the health spin. We didn't evolve to ingest smoke into our lungs. Sorry.

[Zoeisright]

28. Yep, you're right.

Smoke and lungs do not mix.

[Bluenorthwest]

40. We evolved around the fire pit, you know. Fire was life, and also

smoke. How did we evolve to never ingest smoke into lungs, while also requiring fire for light and heat for the majority of human history? Please explain.
Also, to use marijuana, particularly as medicine, smoking it is not required, and it at times counterindicated. The medicinal elements can be ingested as vapor, as food, as oil, it can be in a capsule, if that is calming for the pill generation, you name it. No need to smoke it at all.
The fact is the medicine treats many serious maladies, gives eyesight to the blind, comfort to those in pain, courage and a stomach to those enduring chemo. It saves lives and the quality of lives.
So those are facts, just as it is a fact that we evolved standing next to raging, smokey fires, every day. We did. We built fires and stood around them, for thousands of years/.

[Marengo]

57. We as a species learned to manipulate fire as a tool

but the smoke it produces is, and always has been, extremely harmful to the human organism. We have not "evolved" any biological defense which reduces this harm to any great degree. Illness caused by the smoke of indoor cooking fires for example is a primary concern for the health of people living in the developing world.

http://www.ourplanet.com/imgversn/122/mishra.html

A quote from the above linked article:

This biomass smoke contains many noxious components, including respirable suspended particulates, carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, formaldehyde and polyaromatic hydrocarbons such as benzo(a)pyrene. High exposure can damage the respiratory system, eyes and immune system responses – and make people more susceptible to infection and disease. It has been linked to serious health problems, including tuberculosis, acute respiratory infections, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, cor pulmonale and lung cancer – and associated with asthma, blindness, anaemia and such adverse pregnancy outcomes as low birth weight and perinatal mortality.

[Bluenorthwest]

115. I agree. I also did not say otherwise.

I said two things. Smoke is a fact of human life and always has been. Marijuana does not have to be smoked to be used as medicine. That's it.

[Marengo]

134. Well...yes, you did say otherwise

"How did we evolve to never ingest smoke into lungs, while also requiring fire for light and heat for the majority of human history? Please explain.

We have not "evolved" to "ingest" (perhaps a bit of nit-picking , but smoke is not ingested) smoke into our lungs safely. Being a fact of human life is irrelevant. It's harmful, period.

[Bluenorthwest]

170. Harmful is a term of art, of course.

Would you also say that we should not use radiation treatment for cancers because radiation is bad for us? Would you suggest that a patient or physician who employs radiation treatment is saying that 'radiation is safe and good'? Because it is generally very harmful, should we cease using it when helpful? Are X-rays to be set aside because radiation is harmful, period? Perhaps we should.
Basically, this is a conversation about the use of a smoked medicine being bad because smoke is always harmful, when the most frequent use of that smoked medicine in mainstream places is to counter the horrible effects of other extremely harsh medicines being given in order to save a life that would otherwise end in a short time. So they give chemo, which is harmful, and raditation, which is harmful, both in order to heal, and yet we are talking about 'smoke is bad'? You must see the irony. It is enormous. I assume those who feel this way would refuse chemo. Harmful. And radiation therapy, also harmful? Or would they take both of those, and refuse marijuans to counter the effects because 'smoke is bad'?
So sure. Smoke inhalation can be very harmful. Smoke bad, could never be good, filthy, awful, and better the chemo patient should puke to the grave rather than encounter the harmful nature of smoke. Harmful is harmful, period.
!

[FLPanhandle]

204. That's like saying Chemo drugs are healthy for you

Medicines are effective against some bad conditions. However, for the average person without any illness, chemo is not healthy and nor is pot.

Medicines even when used for appropriate illness have side effects and no one uses them unless absolutely necessary.

[Xicano]

8. I already watched this video and I agree with the OP on the health issue

The person's interviewed in the video is was I base agreeing with the OP's position on the health issue. I also agree with you that it shouldn't be illegal.

[undeterred]

12. There is no data on whether or not it causes lung cancer-

so I really don't think its responsible to cause it safe, much less good for you.

[phleshdef]

133. But we know legal tobacco causes it and yet only 10-15% of cig smokers get it.

Compare that to marijuana. Marijuana users smoke significantly less amounts of marijuana on a daily basis than cigarrette smokers smoke cigarrettes. And if its really a concern, at 100-150 dollar vaporizer will remove 90-95% of the carcinogens from the marijuana. and if thats still a concern, you can make pastries out of it which results in 0 carcinogens.

[vaberella]

14. I wouldn't agree to that. Most of my friends---5 of them who are bonafide pot heads.

I mean these guys live on the shit. They have seriously short term memory problems. They're long term memory is fine. But as far as short...it's a hot mess. And that's happened AFTER they started smoking. I'd like to read what they have to say about Pot's affect on short term memory.

[eShirl]

45. On the other hand, my state allows its use for treatment of Alzheimer's

with a doctor's recommendation

[vaberella]

93. Doesn't Alzheimer's affect both long and short term memory?

These cats have no short term memory strength.

[eShirl]

96. Yes it does, as well as other brain functions

[bettyellen]

176. it slows down the destruction of the brain that AZ causes

[Taitertots]

186. Point to a single medical journal that documents these problems

Your anecdote is meaningless.

[quinnox]

16. But smoking itself can't be a good thing

Smoking doesn't seem like a healthy thing to me, sorry. Not going to start, doesn't matter if its pot or tobacco.

[Scuba]

18. In the film, pulmonoligists are recommending it for asthsma patients. n/t

[quinnox]

20. So

I'm afraid I don't think pro-marijuana film will be entirely objective.

Besides, I think smoking(pot or tobacco) is a filthy habit, disgusting and offensive to other people around it, so its a non-starter to begin with.

[Bluenorthwest]

63. What if it is an objective film thatq had a positive conclusion?

What if it is just the facts? I know people who use it just like in the film and it works for them. When medicine is being discussed, 'filthy habit' is not really an appropriate term. Would you say a diabetic using injectables has a filthy habit? If you see a person taking insulin, do you think primarily of the visual impact on those who might see this medication?

[babydollhead]

81. I use a vaporizer. No oder. No burning.

[Scuba]

199. Do you think an anti-marijuana film can be objective?

[tridim]

267. When my dad was a kid in the 50's he was prescribed cannabis for his asthma

He said the doc had him inhale the smoke coming from a cereal bowl of smoldering cannabis. Apparently it worked very quickly and effectively.

60 years later that exact remedy can result in prison for the doctor and the patient. Regression without reason is just dumb.

[RegieRocker]

66. Ingesting poisonous alcohol is good?

[madokie]

19. Will watch this shortly

I've got a tumor on one of my lungs that is worrying me to death well not quite but you get my drift. I've been a pot smoker since Vietnam 42 plus years ago and when I was first shown that I have this condition about a year ago I quit smoking for a few weeks but after much soul searching I've decided that quiting toking may not be in my best interest. I'm looking for a good vaporizer I can use to keep the smoke out of my lungs now.

If anyone can point me to an affordable small size, easily concealed vaporizer I'd be most appreciative. :hi:

[independentpiney]

29. You may want to try one of these

https://www.vaporgenie.com/

I just got one of the classic models two days ago. Took a few sessions to get used to, it's different from burning it but very effective when you get the hang of it.Main issue I see now is going through lighters absurdly fast, so I'm going to try the hempwick they also sell on the site.

And at only $55-65, way more affordable than standard vapes.

[Le Taz Hot]

68. Thanks for the link!

I've been looking at vaporizers and the CHEAPEST ones I can find are running at $150.00. I'm told the "good ones" will cost me upwards of "600.00." :wtf: Cool-looking pipes too!

[CrispyQ]

113. Le Taz, I got this one a few weeks ago & really like it.

http://magic-flight.com/

It runs on re-chargeable batteries. $99 at Amazon.

You really taste the flavor of the herb with these.

[eShirl]

67. if you have a kitchen blender with a glass body, you could consider this

http://www.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/Drugs/THC/Vaporize/blenderizer.html

[Le Taz Hot]

85. I just clicked on your link . . .

and had a horrible flashback to science class. Did I mention I H-A-T-E-D science class? :shudder: ;-)

[Bluenorthwest]

121. Now that is what I call a useful link.

thanks.

[EstimatedProphet]

109. Why not cook with it instead?

Cheaper than a vaporizer...

[Scuba]

201. That question is answered, in depth, in the movie....

...basically two issues - a)how fast it hits and b)change in active ingredient=different effect. Interesting stuff.

[EstimatedProphet]

210. OK

I do have the movie pulled up, and I plan on watching it. I will grant you that it does take longer to be effective as a food ingredient than when smoked.

[wildbilln864]

146. I'd like to suggest....

watching "Run from the Cure: The Rick Simpson Story"
Mr Simpson uses the oils extracted from the cannabis and it's in very concentrated form. Also watch this TV News Report

And a study(one of many): Marijuana Cut Lung Cancer Tumor Growth in Half
:hi:

[EOTE]

262. Unfortunately, most good vaporizer or not cheap or portable.

I've used a number of them and they all have a number of problems, the biggest of which being slowness to heat up and lack of vapor. If you can afford one, I'd suggest a Volcano. Not portable or cheap, but it's the only vaporizer I've used that I'd actually use on a regular basis. I'm hoping to get one sometime this year. Not only is it much better for you than smoking, but you'll save a ridiculous amount of money on bud as you'll have to use MUCH less. If you're a regular smoker, it can pay for itself in a few months.

[fascisthunter]

69. I Believe the Header is causing a bit of misunderstanding

please take the time to watch the video.

[Scuba]

150. Yep, I regret what I called the OP...

...I should have gone with:

Parental Warning: This movie includes graphic science and emperical findings, which have been proven to cause damage to Republican brain cells.

[fascisthunter]

213. don't let it get to ya

people who are against pot are going to find something to nit pick at. Those who actually watch the vid will understand.

[rustydog]

70. Taking smoke intot he lungs is not good for you, pot or anything else.

Put it in pill form if it is good for you.

[phleshdef]

92. Vaporizers remove 90-95% of the carcinogenic properties.

[EstimatedProphet]

108. Pill form? Really?

So it should come from a pharmacy for it to be good for you?

[krabigirl]

139. Wow..so only pills are healthy? I would eat a brownie before ingesting a crappy pill.

Unless it was 100% natural, not full of chemical crap.

[ecstatic]

71. I'm for legalization, but everyone I've come across who smokes "pot"

lacks independence and the means to support him/herself. I'm sure there are some successful people who regularly smoke too, but I haven't seen any.

[RegieRocker]

77. I am sorry LOL you have been kept in the dark or .....

there are so many people that use drugs that are successful it makes your statement funny. You should really think about your statement a bit. There are plenty that were famous but died, you don't remember those? You honestly don't think there are many movie stars who smoke? Politicians and Corporate CEO's smoke pot. Come on!

[babydollhead]

78. I do. and I am.

I am a responsible well-liked active member of society and I enjoy marijuana. I do not drink alcohol. I find it brings me fully into the moment with an open heart. It removes all of the "coulda shoulda woulda" from my mind and nerves.

[RadiationTherapy]

79. Those who hold steady jobs and participate in society

go through a great deal of trouble to hide their pot smoking.

[babydollhead]

80. I agree. No social support for my vice of choice.

I always say to people, "imagine having to hide with your vice all the time."

[JonLP24]

237. It is not that hard

Anecdotal I know, but people I know don't have problems hiding it. They use it at home or with friends.

[phleshdef]

94. Thats you watching too much television.

[Vanje]

130. Are you hanging with the wrong peeps?

[RegieRocker]

142. Obvously not a variety of people

[krabigirl]

136. You obviously don't know enough people.

[wildbilln864]

159. holy crap!

Look here.
:hi:

[shanti]

174. many more than you could ever imagine

i just retired from a 20 year career. smoked that whole time with no problems, and know lots of people just like me. now what?

[Taitertots]

190. How many people smoke but wouldn't tell you?

The vast majority of people I've met that smoke pot are totally independent and fully supports themselves and usually others. The only people who don't are disabled and use medical marijuana to replace the dangerous narcotics that doctors are getting them addicted to.

[Scuba]

203. I know many people who smoke pot who are stuggling, criminal....

...or otherwise less than they might be. Every one of them has an alcohol problem.

[JTFrog]

242. Wow.

What a completely ignorant statement.

I'm stunned that this kind of stereotyping gets a pass on a liberal democratic website.

[Rebubula]

253. You need to look further

I have smoked pot for 30 years. I have never been arrested for anything.

I have never been unemployed or needed someone else to help me.

I own my own house.


Moreover, I suspect that you know MANY people that smoke pot - most folks simply do not advertise for fear of being judged - oh look - just like you did.

Being judgmental is not just for conservatives, it would seem

[fascisthunter]

76. "Medicinal Cannabis and it's Impact on Human Health"

that's the official header

[Zephie]

110. I have a neurological condition which causes visual hallucinations and severe pain during its attack

I've found that marijuana, when taken as soon as the first visual appears, allows me to continue with my day as normal. I am aware that, yes, I am in pain - but it is muted and far away. I can ignore it.

This is instead of curling up in a dark room and crying my eyes out until I finally pass out from the pain. It can get so bad when I do not treat it that I cannot allow anyone in my home to watch TV or listen to music when I am suffering, as even the slightest sounds cause head splitting pain. Not so when I smoke. I can cook, clean, watch TV, take the dog out, any number of things that I normally would not be able to achieve in that situation. Obviously I cannot do things like go to the store or pay bills at pay centers but I think I'll take that downside to the alternative.

I have been offered some very scary nasty drugs by doctors to treat the pain. Some didn't work at all and some I just wouldn't take because I have seen them ruin the lives of friends and family members in the past. I personally think that marijuana is safer for me to be taking than Oxy.

To put this all into perspective, DU, I am currently in the midst of an attack right now. I woke up, my feet hit the floor, and the dancing lights began. Since then I have cleaned my ferrets cage, taken the dog out, cleaned the living room, read all of todays LBN, and now here I am.

So... Could you guess that I'm a "druggie"? :hi:

[2gabby]

123. can i toss a Bless your heart on that?

Because my small experience with fibromyalgia and migraines makes me feel for you, and I'm so glad you feel better. Hope it lasts all day! :) Here's to many, many good days!

[Zephie]

128. Thank you. I hope you're coping as well!

And welcome to DU. :hug:

[2gabby]

149. Thanks :)

Doing good today 2! With prayers for Japan, and, well everyone it feels like. I better get up and get some stuff done now, lol.

[CanSocDem]

112. "harmful to Teabaggers."

And to those that think cannabis is just about 'being stoned'. Lot's of those around here.

This film should be required viewing for anybody still clinging to the delusion that they are performing some kind of public service by speaking out against the medical use of marijuana.

Good film. Thanks for posting.

.

[krabigirl]

141. Actually, "tea baggers" like Ron Paul think it should be legalized, while Dems want prohibition.

How many prominent Dems are for the legalization of cannabis, let alone industrial hemp?

[Bennyboy]

116. Cannabis cures cancer!

Search this site for cannabis cures cancer. I posted a thread here about that. I haven't figured out how to link with an iPad yet or would.

[Zorra]

118. I don't smoke herb anymore. But I know for a fact that the herb is a wonderful medicine.

I've only smoked maybe 5 times in the last 20 years, but I use to smoke it on a daily basis. One day I didn't need it anymore so I stopped using it. But I would use it again if I needed to.

The only reason the herb is illegal is that it is a serious threat to multi-national corporate interests and the governments that are owned by these interests. For a variety of different reasons, but primarily because of the herbs' characteristic that it can alter a person's perception when used, leading some people to question what they believe, question what they have been taught to believe, and subsequently begin to question "authority".

And Big Daddy Warbucks does not like it when people question authority.

"You mean they can tell God that it's not legal?...remember, them crucify Christ." Bob Marley

[Skidmore]

120. Yeah, we know, and all the problems of the world would be instantenously solved

if pot and all other drugs were legal. If only.

Between the MJ threads and the veggie threads, you'd think that the world begins and ends with grass and broccoli.

[RegieRocker]

124. And we all know that if only the issues that concern you were

rectified then all the problems of the world would be instantaneously solved also.

[Skidmore]

129. Yup.

[CanSocDem]

131. Funny.

But I think it is more about the value system that keeps the current industrial society lurching toward the abyss.

I think the "world begins and ends..." with me, not some industry.

.

[2gabby]

143. instantaneous for quite a few people in prison, and the pesky sick people

Adding to that the number of industries we might develop from an OIL seed crop with medicinal and nutritional uses as well, that grows most anywhere. The literally billions of tax dollars NOT spent on prohibition. The money people might save on medication. Quality of life, the sad accidental overdoses.

A revolutionary change from one crop? I guess if its not corn, its a crazy notion?

Give me a break, all those issues are problems we face. All of them. Big problems. Society-changing sized problems. Food, fuel and medicine, the essentials. Legal weed would help in a lot of ways, and I reject the idea it wouldn't matter and wouldn't make a difference. It could make some big differences.

[Le Taz Hot]

145. Could you please post a direct link to

any DUer who, at any time, claimed that "all the problems of the world would be instantaneously solved if pot and all other drugs were legal." Thanks so much.

[RegieRocker]

126. Sparta and Spartans know that pot doesn't make warriors

and alcohol does. Think about this.

[BOG PERSON]

175. shouldn't they legalize cocaine then?

and make meth available OTC?

[RegieRocker]

177. No you shouldn"t have warriors shooting each other.

Marijuana helps to keep people from shooting anyone. I hear they are giving medications to troops. I wonder what is in that medication?

Government Admits Marijuana Use Does Not Cause Violence

http://blog.austindefense.com/2007/11/articles/marijuana-controlled-substance/government-admits-marijuana-use-does-not-cause-violence/

[Warren DeMontague]

185. Honestly, if the ONLY choices are the idiocy we have now and legalizing everything

I think legalizing everything would be way more fucking sensible.

Of course, those aren't the only choices. Straw man.

[Warren DeMontague]

187. Legalize it, Regulate It, Tax it. Fucking Enough, Already.

We spend $40 Billion a year to keep everyone from jamband fans to cancer grannies from smoking it (NOT incl. costs of incarceration, mind you) and yet we can't afford the Tsunami Warning center?


THE DRUG WAR IS A CRUEL, STUPID JOKE. Time to end it.

[AsahinaKimi]

189. I would like to experience

That frozen coil thingy, I saw in the video. No coughing from a Bong??? Really? wow...

[fascisthunter]

214. yeah... I'm intrigued by the vaporizers

I do enjoy the smoke intake but I'd like to try a vaporizer.

[Modern_Matthew]

218. People should have the right to ingest whatever they want without intervention...

And as long as they don't put others at risk while doing so, then we shouldn't give a damn.

[City of Mills]

221. Not good

For my waistline, though! :dilemma:

[WatsonT]

252. I don't really care

It can cause cancer for all it matters, as long as it is less dangerous than alcohol, tobacco, or fast foods then there is no argument against legalization.

Otherwise it's a double standard: marijuana has to be healthy to be legal, but we tolerate cigarettes. Huh?

[Ganja Ninja]

254. Even if it's not good for you ...

It's not as harmful a alcohol or tobacco and as long as those are legal there's no justification for the marijuana prohibition.

[ButterflyBlood]

263. Maybe I'll watch it sometime, but I bet it's mostly junk science. And I do support legalization.

nt

[Scuba]

266. Please let me know what you think. n/t

[Prophet 451]

268. Legalize and regulate

Legalize it and treat it like beer or any other adult pleasure. I wouldn't smoke it even if it was legal but I see no good reason why my pint should be legal and my neighbour's joint should not.

[Mimosa]

276. Marijuana alleviates asthma attacks and is a better pain reliever than Vicodin

I don't smoke marijuana, haven't in years.

I've known 2 people who have smoked marijuana to relieve asthma, especially allergic. It lessens their dependence on rescue inhalers.

Back when I was young, an old lady told me that before marijuana was made illegal (which was partly to benefit William Randolph Hearst's timber investments and the nylon rope industry ) many women here in the South used marijuana to relieve menstral cramps. She told me that because I told her about my menstrual cramps which sometimes would get so severe that I's curl up and cry in pain. The cramps and pain even made me nauseaous I used to call this the 'screaming meemies.' (The pain got worse as I got older.My Dr. friend says there's a reason for that.) So, back in the late 1980s marijuana was easy to come by. I tried a few tokes during an attack when the vicodin wasn't helping. And just 2 or 3 puffs and in ten minutes the pains were gone.

And every month when I'd get those pains for the first couple of days of periods i'd take a few tokes of weed. It worked like a medicine and i didn't get 'high' because it was working as a med.

Any other time I ever smoked marijuana I didn't like it, hated the smell.