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Mon Mar-21-11 03:30 PM
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We would shoot protesters dead too |
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I mean, if they took arms up to overthrow America.. and it came down to it.. We would end a violent treasonous revolt with violence too..
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:32 PM
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1. Yup, those treasonous Kent Staters learned a lesson |
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:33 PM
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3. Which not only supports the OP's point, but shows it wouldn't even require treason to kill us. |
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:33 PM
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2. Many people fighting for unions have been shot and killed in this country. |
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:34 PM
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:34 PM
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5. Unfortunately, you are right. |
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I believe this is why we didn't protest against the Supreme Court when they awarded Bush the Presidency in 2000, even though subsequent investigations would show that Gore would have won, if the Florida Supreme Court's decision to recount the votes had been followed. Instead the Supreme Court stopped the legitimate recount. We should have protested but we would have been shot down and we knew it even though it would have been a justified revolt.
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:35 PM
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6. I woudn't consider a revolution to be "treasonous" nt |
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Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 03:36 PM by Modern_Matthew
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:48 PM
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8. in the usa we do in fact have the right to form a more perfect union |
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I am pretty sure we made pretty sure that Libyans never had that right. Then when they revolted, they were crime, they got policed..
Dear Leader said I don't want to be overthrown, those that over throw me are traitors, traitors get shot.
All in all, I will take the side of the rebels, but I don't know enough about the future of Libya to put my kids lives (or my money) on helping the rebels.. they seem pretty weak and unable to hold it together.. Seems like another 50 year mess we are in , imho..
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:53 PM
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13. Your argument would justfiy attacking the Egypt protesters or the Yemen protesters. |
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As soon as the military defected it illegally went against the states interests.
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Mon Mar-21-11 06:36 PM
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Now those leaders are gone but still alive.
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Mon Mar-21-11 07:23 PM
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36. So basically we only care about the winning side. |
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:35 PM
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7. Didn't they get show WITHOUT taking arms to overthrow Kadaffi? |
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That's what I understood. That 8,000 were shot dead. Would we stand to have 8,000 dead protestors and expect nothing to be done?
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:50 PM
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10. Roughly 8k to 10k are dead, about 1.5k of those are "rebels/opposition." |
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People here like to argue that if you take up arms you're a rebel and immediately are fair game.
Even if you've never in your life shot a gun.
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:51 PM
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Somehow the rebels "overtook" and "held" towns and cities.. Not sure how it was done.. But they were policing their holdings from looters and other criminals.. So I think they had some force.. Just not enough force to beat back a military.
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:51 PM
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12. Their force was small arms, Gaddafi's force was west provided arty, jets, tanks. |
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:03 PM
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More than half of this country would jerk their knees and cheer if 8,000 "librul" protesters were mowed down like wheat before a scythe. The would be round the clock flag waving coverage of how dangerous the al quida colluders had been stopped. RW radio would be banging the drum. The network clowns would be wringing their hands and turning the other cheek in regret. Rush, Beck, et.al. would be cackling gleefully while cashing their checks and justifying further crack downs on the enemies of america.
If you think it wouldn't happen here you are sadly wrong. ANd I grieve for the loss of our countries soul with you.
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:07 PM
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18. Do you think they took all that territory with their sweet smiles? |
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:53 PM
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24. I didn't think there was any opposition from Kaddafi..... |
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considering that Kaddafi had to import his rental mercernaries from Africa to even start fighting back.
I've you got some numbers for Kaddafi supporter casualty numbers?
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:55 PM
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25. Opposition has lost 1500, Gaddafi has lost about 500. Total dead is between 6k-10k. |
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So 4k to 8k are civilian deaths.
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Mon Mar-21-11 08:51 PM
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38. He had plenty of back up for the initial protests from his own guard. |
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The mercenaries came a little later. I've been watching this since it started up.
I don't know if there are numbers for casualties on his side. You know he will make claims that no one can verify. Same with the rebels.
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:56 PM
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27. Nope, Egypt's military wasn't shot at by paid mercenaries by the government. |
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:49 PM
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9. We would very likely attack our military if it defected for protesters. |
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That didn't happen in Egypt or Yemen but it did in Libya.
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:53 PM
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14. Yep. In fact, it happened about 150 years ago n/t |
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:12 PM
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19. Actually, the "protesters" attacked us. nt |
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:56 PM
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26. True, but I was responding more to the body of the post... |
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This part:
"if they took arms up to overthrow America.. and it came down to it.. We would end a violent treasonous revolt with violence too.."
Lincoln could have just let the South secede rather than going to war to keep the union together.
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:54 PM
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15. I believe that the protesters didn't turn into "rebels" |
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until Gadhafi started killing them, I could be wrong about that though.
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Mon Mar-21-11 03:58 PM
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:57 PM
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29. Yep, same shit was used in Bahrain. |
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Was effective in Oaxaca, and it is overall effective when people protest.
In Libya they don't have crowd control. There's a famous quote by a dead fighter. "In Libya bullets are crowd control."
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:28 PM
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22. Sure, they even did an aerial bombing of MOVE. |
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There's sure no "no fly zone" over US cities!
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:31 PM
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We would welcome our new teabag overlords.
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:57 PM
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28. The point is that people unhappy here have the ability to change their government and its leaders |
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Mon Mar-21-11 04:58 PM
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30. It's just more efforts to delegitimize the uprising. |
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I doubt they'd be saying the same tune if the protesters and the militaries who defected in Egypt and Yemen were being shot at by their respective governments. And I am fucking glad it didn't come to that.
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Mon Mar-21-11 05:02 PM
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31. Yeah...er...no...wait...wtf? |
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Wake up on the wrongside of bed much?
Leave those kind of things to the military, if it ever comes to that WHICH IT WON'T.
All these gung-ho people waiting for a 'revolt'...keep waiting and please hold your breath.
Thanks.
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Mon Mar-21-11 05:15 PM
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33. He's referring to Libya, he's saying that the US would do what Gaddafi has done. |
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But he's ignoring that Egypt and Yemen could've gone that way, too. And making no statement about whether or not that'd be OK.
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Mon Mar-21-11 07:21 PM
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35. The White Rose were guilty of treason too. |
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"Treason" against a dictatorship is usually a virtue, not a vice.
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