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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:38 PM
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If you don't support the Chinese invasion of Colombia to restore human rights, you don't care!
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 02:50 PM by JackRiddler
Check out this great new article in support of humanitarian interventions!

http://www.straight.com/article-382483/vancouver/gwynne-dyer-today-libya-tomorrow-syria

Gwynne Dyer: Today Libya, tomorrow Syria?

By Gwynne Dyer

Publish Date: March 21, 2011

SNIP

The current Syrian ruler, Bashar al-Assad, is allegedly a gentler person than his father Hafez, but the Baath Party still rules Syria, and it is just as ruthless as ever. So what happens if the Syrian revolution gets underway, and the Baath Party starts slaughtering people again? Do the same forces now intervening in Libya get sent to Syria as well?

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The “responsibility to protect” concept that underpins the UN decision on Libya was first proposed in 2001 by Lloyd Axworthy, then Canada’s foreign minister. He was frustrated by the UN’s inability to stop the genocides in Kosovo and Rwanda in the 1990s, and he concluded that the problem was the UN’s own rules. So he set out to change them.

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By the early 21st century, however, the threat of a nuclear war between the great powers had faded away, while local massacres and genocides proliferated. Yet the UN was still hamstrung by the 1945 rules and unable to intervene. So Lloyd Axworthy set up the International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty (ICISS) to popularize the concept of humanitarian intervention under the name of "Responsibility to protect”.

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Nobody will ever attack Russia to make it be nicer to the Chechens, or invade China to make it change its behaviour towards the Tibetans. Great powers are effectively exempt from all the rules if they choose to be, precisely because they are so powerful. That’s no argument for also exempting less powerful but nastier regimes from the obligation not to murder their own people.



Great powers? They're exempt from the rules.

Little powers? Watch out!

As Dwyer concludes: "Consistency is an overrated virtue."

Damn, things would have been so much better in South Africa if it had only been invaded and divided into occupation zones by predominantly white-skinned Western armies in the 1980s to end the murderous apartheid system several years before the negotiated solution. What could have gone wrong?

And that UN founding nonsense in the 1940s! Focusing on utter trivialities, like ending war, when we all know war brings human rights to oppressed peoples!

Great power wars are so yesterday. History shows the way to assure peace among the great powers is to get them all involved in lots of little crusades on their peripheries. We need to get each and every great power invading at least one of the 10 most oppressive small regimes, to help the people there.

Maybe we can use the Amnesty International rankings to determine the 10 bottom regimes that should get relegated, and have each of the Top 10 human rights champions take the lead in organizing a customized coalition for each liberation war. Using Amnesty will allay liberal concerns, I'm sure. It should also help in better integrating the Americans, teaching them they can also follow for a change. (You may read a little dig there, but note I'm also assuming they wouldn't be in the bottom 10!)

Question China's domestic policies all you like, but its record on external aggression is pretty good. Well, with a few exceptions, like Tibet, and that little bloody war with Vietnam, and a couple of border wars with India and Russia, and that involvement in Korea, but still better by miles compared to some other big doofy superpowers I might name! They'd be just the ones to invade and occupy Colombia and put an end to its human rights violations. It would take their minds off Taiwan, and I'd bet they could teach those Latins how to work! For a start.

Maybe the rule should be for each Big Power to knock over an oppressive regime on a different continent from its own, to minimize conflicts of interest. Russia can do Zimbabwe. The big old US may have its hands almost full with its already quite remote do-gooding, but it should be able to handle the addition of one little North Korea. And it's the perfect choice for liberating the Palestinians, taking the dangerous Israelis by surprise. As the Klingons say, "You can't very well betray your enemies!"

Brazil can have its first test-run in liberation imperialism by freeing the Somalis! In fact, I figure pretty much every African country needs its own benign invader, so why not carve it up amongst the new great powers? Give Nigeria to India, Angola to France, split the Congo between Brazil and the UK. With an efficient division of labor according to Ricardo's principles, the production of freedom will skyrocket, creating demand for more. In no time there will be a humanitarian rush to improve whatever pieces of the continent remain unsponsored.

I can't believe no one ever thought of that before!


Berlin Conference, 1885: "La Question Du Congo"

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:41 PM
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1. Lotta words. Little sense. Oh well.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 02:44 PM
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2. O dear, I am slain by your able riposte! (In your case, the best sense lies in no words at all?)
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:02 PM
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3. Critical thinkers have left the building.
But there are still four of five that post here on DU.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:05 PM
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4. the USA is already in colombia
to fight the war on drugs, which means get the best prices for our government drug dealers so they make good money selling the drugs to the gangs here in the states.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 05:01 PM
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7. That definitely should have been in quotes
The "war on drugs" that has resulted in 100 times the amount of drugs available in the US and 100 times more violence inside the drug producing nations as well.

Job well done, boys and girls! Job well done!
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StarburstClock Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:08 PM
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5. Great quote, "Great powers are effectively exempt from all the rules if they choose to be"
Totally true, we invade whomever we want to, torture whomever and never are charged with any crime.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:30 PM
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6. Not possible
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 04:38 PM by kenny blankenship
Attack Syria -whatever the provocation or justification, great or small- and they will retaliate with missiles against Israel. Lebanon ignites. Regional conflagration. Ostensible "humanitarian misson" mooted by widespread death and destruction.

Forget it already.

Same deal with all the fuckwits saying but but but we gotta invade North Korea to be consistent! North Korea was untouchable already before they got atomic weapons, because they can incinerate Seoul, in which a huge percentage of South Korea's population lives. Even snarlin George eventually learned to leave them alone. Now NK has atomic weapons. You can't help the people of NK or demand NK divest themselves of this or that WMD project because there is no way to suppress their ability to retaliate with unacceptable damage to South Korea - or even Japan. Remember that one of the last FUs NK sent George's way was firing a ballistic missile OVER Japan. It is not possible.
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Runework Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 05:07 PM
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8. there's a flipside to that
Edited on Thu Mar-24-11 05:08 PM by Runework
qadafi gave up his wmds (nukes pursuit). Who's gonna give up their wmds now?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 06:47 PM
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9. Kick for the flowers strewn in our paths!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 06:48 PM
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10. K & R
I don't know whether to laugh or cry these days
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:09 PM
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11. they go together well, i find.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:19 AM
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12. (laughing & crying, I mean)
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