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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:25 PM Original message |
Is there any doubt; that this nation is fascist? |
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theaocp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Question: does fascism rely on a dictator? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Fascism is according to its founder, Mussolini: |
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Siouxmealso (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. OK |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. When the crowd thins out, do you do the same? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. He can buy more politicians than you, and use those politicians to pass favorable laws. nt |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Exactly. |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. No, a country can be fascist without a dictator. We've proven this since 9/11. |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Paleo Fascism was modeled on military leadership: the Caesar, the General of Generals, Napoleon |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Rather than a dictator, classical fascism requires a one-party state. |
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theaocp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. NOW, we're getting somewhere. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. FWIW, I earlier had pegged Palin as the 'charismatic leader' that a |
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Yavapai (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Our political system today, |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
96. It's a kinder, gentler fascism... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. That doesn't make it... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. So tell me then, who runs the country? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Dude... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. There's a difference? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. What a stupid strawman argument... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Which one of us lacks this ability? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. If you think "plutocracy" is a synonym for... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. Do you think you could explain the difference? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. You could start by doing some... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Can you not articulate ANY difference? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. More stupid strawman arguments |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. What have you said? Plutocracy rules out fascism -- AFAICT. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Show me where I said that n/t |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. You didn't. But you did say that we are a plutocracy and therefore... |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:43 AM Response to Reply #24 |
63. That explains Obama's obsession with bipartisanship . nt |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
98. But that's all it is |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #98 |
126. I'm no big fan of the current Democratic Party, but I do have to |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
6. Some people will continue ignore the obvious, because it is hard to |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. You still can freely post on DU? How is that possible in a fascist state? |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. Give it time my padawan friend. |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. It has beeen since to coup in 2000. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
10. We still haven't jumped the broom, but it's so low |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
11. If this was a "fascist nation"... |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Fascism isn't an on/off switch. No political model is. They are a slide rule. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Good advice... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. It's about time someone pointed out that obvious fact. |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Thank you Bonobo. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. So, if we slide the other way... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:46 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. You know I've come to realize... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I'm sure it must suck to.... |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
39. True, SDuderstadt. Just reading about Operation Sea Lion yesterday, scary stuff. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
46. Ridiculous on it's face. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:12 AM Response to Reply #46 |
67. Show me where I said "everyone" is... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #67 |
101. And only full brutal suppression qualifies a fascism. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Please show us where... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Demonstrators are never gassed and beaten here. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. In a fascist country... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #108 |
115. That's easy... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. First of all... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
51. +1 |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. People didn't say stuff "freely" under fascism? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. No. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I guess I'm gonna make you define "truly fascist." |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #11 |
75. Hardly. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Brutal suppression of the opposition is... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
116. Absurd. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Another stupid strawman argument... |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. Do I think President Obama is the head of state of a fascist nation? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
13. The United States of America is not a fascist nation. |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
14. Get back to me when you get 'disappeared' for making comments like that |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
15. I don't think the US government is fascist, and I don't think the Republican party is fascist. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I think the OP is talking about DU's rather loose interpretation of fascism |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Certainly does get watered down after awhile, doesn't it? |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
16. Life is too short to be so unhappy. I would strongly suggest that you emigrate. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
18. You could make an argument that the US is a proto-fascist state. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
19. I don't see why it matters precisely what form of authoritarian, resource stealing system we are |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
20. Frank Zappa said it best. |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
22. More by Zappa |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
44. +1 |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #22 |
76. I love Frank! |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
26. I think parts of it are working toward fascism. We ain't there yet. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
29. There is not a hint of fascism in this country. |
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Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. how many millions of people does this country have to murder |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. The US could kill everyone and still not be fascist. nt |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #31 |
61. Your fantasies of fascism have crippled your cognitive powers, IMO. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. There are quite a few people working on making America into |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Isn't a corporate-fascist state a contradiction? nt |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 06:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
73. No neither one depends on the other. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #73 |
81. In a fascist state, the state controls the corporations, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #73 |
109. Fascist regimes nationalized basically all large corporations |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 08:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
78. Our votes can't even be verified. |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
32. Not sure, but we have plenty of smoke to go with our mirrors. nt |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
33. Yes. If you don't know it, you need to go visit New Zealand or something. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. What do you think the word "fascist" means? nt |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. Mussulini's definition, "The merger of the state with corporate power." |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #57 |
80. The state executive had the power after the merger, not the CEOs. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Maybe you should explain the difference for those... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I posted the definition in reply #15. nt |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. # 15 was about the definition of fascism.... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Oh, good call. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Yes, Plutocracratic and Fascistic! |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Oh, bullshit... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #92 |
127. Bradley Manning |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Bradley Manning committed a crime... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. No, he's being tortured for being accused of a crime. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
35. It is well on it's way IMO. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
41. The US is a plutarchy. nt |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
47. Here's a good test to answer your question. Are you now in a concentration camp for posting? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #47 |
87. He didn't reply! He's been dragged away and tortured by Obama's goons! |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
49. No we're not Fascist or anything close to it, but we resemble an oligarchy in certain ways |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
50. No, the country is not fascist |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Or most people don't vote because they don't think they really have any choice or real political |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
55. is that a rhetorical question? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
59. You know... |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:33 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. The whole thread is a fantasy of some people on DU |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:04 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. have you done something perceived as threatening to state power? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:51 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Only in the State of Kentucky.. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:59 AM Response to Original message |
69. the word fascism gets tossed around here with gleeful abandon |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:03 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. when we're "there" it will be a bit late in the game for chatting at DU. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. sure, but lots of folks are claiming we're at full tilt fascism now. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 06:03 AM Response to Original message |
71. fascism? no -- but neither do i think we are a democracy. |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
72. Yes, there is doubt. nt |
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reformist2 (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
74. It is, but only because we voted for it. It can be reversed once we wake voters up. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
86. A good rule of thumb: |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. I disagree somewhat |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
88. No. This is a fascist country |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. That list is bullshit. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. You're a punctuation fascist (nt) |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. That list is absolute nonsense... |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
95. I don't think that's the most accurate descriptor, no. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
99. You have no idea what fascism is |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
107. Calling the American right "fascist" is IMO as silly as calling the american left "socialist" |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Isn't it stupid and... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I mean, people need to vent, I guess |
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FlyByNight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
114. I've read/seen/heard Chris Hedges reference... |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
129. Corporate fascism. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
130. no doubt at all.... and the right wing hates it when the left brings this up |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. I am a dyed-in-the-wool liberal.. |
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