Creationists say this petroglyph in Utah is proof dinosaurs and humans co-existed.

[onehandle]

Source: Daily Mail



It certainly looks like a dinosaur. Then again, it also looks like a mud stain. Either way, this apparent ancient cave drawing high on a rock formation in Utah has ignited a firestorm.

Creationists are claiming the famous dinosaur petroglyph at the Kachina Bridge formation in Natural Bridges Natural Monument in south-eastern Utah is proof that dinosaurs and humans co-existed.

The image looks very much like a hand-drawn, plant-eating dinosaur - a diplodocus, perhaps. But scientists say that is impossible.

Now a new research paper is stirring up the controversy with the claim that the petroglyph is in fact a drawing of a snake. The 'legs' of the dinosaur are nothing more than mud stains, according to the paper published in Palaeontologia Electronica.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1370476/Petroglyph-Utah-Proof-dinosaurs-humans-existed-just-mud-stain.html

On edit, I found a more convincing illustration:

[notadmblnd]

1. Just like Jesus showing up on toast, proves he ate bread.

:shrug: I don't really see a dinosaur there.

[Old and In the Way]

6. Talk about great minds thinking alike.

:rofl:

[Crowman1979]

2. Looks more like rock erosion, hell it's probably photo shopped.

[opihimoimoi]

3. What proof?? This don't pass...FAIL.......again.....

[Old and In the Way]

4. I've seen jesus on toast that's more convincing than this.

These people will go to any extreme to support their delusions, I guess.

[laconicsax]

5. AAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:rofl:

[Deep13]

7. So Creationists now care about proof apparently. nt

[jmowreader]

23. Creationists have ALWAYS cared about proof

There's a whole industry of fundies out there who do nothing but travel from town to town "proving" the "truth" in the Book of Genesis.

These people believe there are exactly four parts to the Bible: the Book of Genesis (which says God created the world and everything in it in seven 24-hour days), the Ten Commandments, the smitings and Leviticus, chapters 18 (which tells you who not to screw) and 19 (which tells you to kill anyone who goes astray of 18).

Some days I think the fundies are like Alex in A Clockwork Orange, who started reading the Bible in jail because he found out the OT is full of violence. "I didn't much like the latter part of the book, which was all preachy talking rather than fighting and the old in-out."

[WiffenPoof]

66. Excellent Reference.....n/t

[PfcHammer]

8. The Flintstones is similar credible evidence of the same

[LiberalEsto]

9. Looks like a Hostess Twinkie to me

or possibly a mixed animal.

[dipsydoodle]

10. looks like The Lone Ranger to me

Where's Tonto ?

[Downwinder]

12. He drew it.

[dipsydoodle]

15. Silly me

Should've realised that. :rofl:

[KansDem]

11. Who painted "Tail," "Neck," and "Head" on the rock?

:shrug:

[hatrack]

14. Whoever it was is pretty good at lettering and arrows . . . .

Uncannily good, in fact.

[ElboRuum]

53. So we have contemporaneous dinosaurs, people, AND stencils?

I'm convinced, where do I pick up my free bible and a Blu-Ray copy of the complete Flintstones? I figure that just about covers all I'll ever need to know about natural history.

[Hugabear]

54. The cavemen did that, silly

They wanted to make sure that we understood what they were trying to draw.

[Adsos Letter]

13. Of the many thousands of petroglyph sites worldwide

is this the only one reputed to show a dinosaur? If so, why?

[Brother Buzz]

26. Proof dinosaurs and humans co-exist

This untouched photograph was snapped just west of my house on its trip to Benicia, Ca.
There's a good chance it may have flown over your house.

[L. Coyote]

28. Utah has 10,000 petroglyph sites, some with thousands of glyphs

See below for an image of "far-out mammals"

[Modern_Matthew]

16. Let's see what Bill Hicks had to say on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrZcztxRquo

[Yavin4]

17. It's Cecil from "Beany & Cecil"

wiki: Cecil (or "Cecil the Seasick Sea Serpent") - A large green sea serpent with a slight lisp. He is fiercely loyal to Beany but not terribly bright. Cecil's trusting good nature invariably winds up with him being taken advantage of by the bad people, and he often ends up absorbing a great amount of physical abuse (getting smashed flat, losing his head, having his skin burned off, being shattered to pieces), all within the laws of cartoon physics. The end of Cecil's tail was never seen in most episodes; it always extended off-screen, or was hidden behind an obstacle. This is likely a joking reference to the original Cecil, a hand puppet whose tail was likewise hidden (because it didn't exist). Cecil's tail did appear in "Beany and the Jackstalk", when his entire body got wound into the tension spring of a giant cuckoo clock. Cecil also has a superhero alter-ego known as Super-Cecil. In this guise, he wears a modified Superman shirt (complete with cape). It was Cecil who cried "A Bob Clam-pett car-tooooooo-OOOOOOOOON!" at the opening of each episode. Cecil was originally voiced by Irv Shoemaker in the 60's cartoon and by Billy West in the 80's cartoon.

[hifiguy]

25. Ye gads, I think you are right!

:rofl:

I remember Beany and Cecil well, and their nemesis Dishonest John (Boehner?)

[Junkdrawer]

43. Come on everybody let's have a ball at No Bikini At-All n/t

[jtuck004]

18. Looks like the AFLAC duck. eom

[bobbolink]

19. There are also petroglyphs that could be construed to be aliens.....

Somehow I kinda doubt the "creationists" would go with that...

[phusion]

30. That one on the left...

is probably a Kachina
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kachina

cool stuff!

[bobbolink]

35. There are many... that is just one example. The Barrier Canyon style has so many examples of this..

people carrying heads, etc.

The artist's aren't around to tell us what they had in mind, and their way of thinking and creating was much different, so we really don't know.

All we can really do is appreciate them.

Here's another great example to enjoy:

[L. Coyote]

67. These are the bug-eyed anthropomorphs in Sego Canyon, the Book Cliffs.

One of the great Barrier Canyon Style sites, north of I-70 and Moab. You can drive to this locale.

[Downwinder]

47. Why not. they believe in an ET?

[NYC Liberal]

20. That's a damn long "neck" and "head"...

[L. Coyote]

21. paraeidolia

I see God :rofl:

[Nevernose]

29. I saw the Virgin Mary

Being swallowed by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And sorry to be a jerk, but it's pareidolia. I know because I was going to post almost the exact same thing as you, but googled it because I couldn't remember how to spell it.

[L. Coyote]

45. That was before I saw her.

Now, they just call her Mary. :rofl:

[louis-t]

22. I lived in a condo in 1984 that had birch doors.

Birch often has very elaborate grain patterns that can resemble faces, animals, people, etc. On the back of the upstairs bathroom door, the image of Christ on the cross was unmistakable.

Oh, if one looks at the dark area below the 'dinosaur' neck in above photo, one can see the unmistakable image of a zombie with upturned claws extended in front of it.

[L. Coyote]

50. A word of advice.

Everyone sees this stuff, but one should not admit it :rofl:

[louis-t]

65. I shoulda taken a picture of it.

I'm series.

[Maru Kitteh]

51. So you had to put up with Jesus staring at you whenever you had to take a dump?

That sucks dude.

[louis-t]

64. Jesus saw me naked. I really should have called the local news.

I could have made a fortune off the rubes if I had sold tickets. My brother would have killed me. He owned the condo. I would have cut him in on the profits. Really.

[coalition_unwilling]

24. The fundies I know all claim that dinosaur fossils are tricks that Satan

uses to test our faith. Same with radio-carbon dating and any scientific work since 1850.

If creationists now admit that dinosaurs existed and that the fossils are not merely "Satan's tricks," there may be hope for them after all :)

[L. Coyote]

27. Near the dinosaur quarry, there are some great petroglyphs of far-out mammals

Gee, you don't suppose people knew fossils were once animals before the first Ph. D. came to the dinosaur quarry? :rofl:

Fremont Culture Area Rock Art
http://jqjacobs.net/rock_art/fremont.html


(with permission)

[aquart]

34. So we were just the tiniest bit weak on anatomy.

I think I have a silver pin of the horned snouty short fat creature. I called it "PMS" and wore it when fellow humans needed to be warned away.

[CarlaLevin]

31. That is a pretty loose use of the word "proof"

Do they take all of the ancient Greek and Roman art as proff of the existence of centaurs, satyrs, cylcops and Zeus? I am guessing not?

[aquart]

32. A billionaire needs to fund a dig immediately!

Find those dinosaur bones in a human layer. GO FOR IT! DIG FOR JESUS AND THE BIBLE!

[randr]

33. Prerequisite for Kingdom--Slay a dragon

If dragons were not dinosaurs, what were they?

[joeybee12]

36. To me, it looks like a man's weiner...nt

[suffragette]

37. Are they sure it's not a bonnicon?

http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast80.htm




General Attributes

The bonnacon is a beast with a head like a bull, but with horns that curl in towards each other. Because these horns are useless for defense, the bonnacon has another weapon. When pursued, the beast expels its dung which travels a great distance (as much as two acres), and burns anything it touches.


Sources (chronological order)

Pliny the Elder <1st century CE> (Natural History, Book 8, 16): The bonasus is found in Paeonia. It has the mane of a horse but otherwise resembles a bull. It has horns that curve back so they are useless for fighting; when attacked, it runs away, while releasing a trail of dung that can cover three furlongs. Contact with the dung burns pursuers as though they had touched fire.





Oh and :rofl:

[The Backlash Cometh]

38. Oh, I see. It's the Jesus is in my toast scientific method.

I bet they're a lot of fun to play, what do you see in the cloud formations?

[wickerwoman]

39. That's not a dinosaur... it's an Alien.

Everybody freak the hell out!

[Baclava]

40. Of course it's true - and I have proof

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AkGhMZ7yI14/S6oRXxjJEdI/AAAAAAAAAHg/C1g7ulw2NIE/s1600/Jesus+hugging+a+little+dino.jpg

[MilesColtrane]

41. An ancient painting of a live dinosaur?

I think it's more likely that it's just some time traveller being a dick to punk us in the present.

That's way more plausible than an ancient native american with a pet diplodocus.

[L. Coyote]

44. I think you have the solution there.

Someone read this thread, then time travel is invented, then that pernicious DU reader goes there in the past and smear mud on the snake, then :rofl:

[BlueIris]

42. The plaster whorls on my ceiling remind me of T-Rex.

Fighting Jesus. While he breastfed at Olive Garden. Does that mean Jesus was secretly a MTF transgendered person who battled dinosaurs at bad restaraunts in my living room thirty years ago?

No, seriously. Does it?

[Safetykitten]

46. No. It just proves republican dino food was around.

[Angry Dragon]

48. Horse

[jberryhill]

49. The entire State Of Utah is proof that dinosaurs and humans co-exist /nt

[ElboRuum]

52. Creationists can't figure out...

Why if we are descended from monkeys (we're not, we're descended from apes, but nevermind that) why we still have monkeys.

Remember, these are people who see the virgin Mary in a jar of peanut butter.

[Hugabear]

55. Sure, and 'Independence Day' is proof that Earth has been visited by aliens

For real, it's right there in the movie.

[JFN1]

56. Jabba the Hut was a dinosaur?

thats what it looks like to me...the dark part under the "dino"

[JCMach1]

57. Here is my Petroglyph pic showing space aliens and cave me co-existed

Note the alien waving atop his space ship...



extreme :sarcasm:

[Norrin Radd]

58. Co-exist? Humans would've been a party platter to dinos.

[calimary]

59. Well, what do you expect from people with intellects that could fit through the eye of a needle?

[ohheckyeah]

60. I put it through HDR in Photoshop to see the image better:

I don't know what it is but it doesn't look like a dinosaur to me.

[Runework]

61. Im convinced but where are the Sleestak petroglyphs?.

.

[Norrin Radd]

62. In a Pylon shifting through space/time.

[struggle4progress]

63. Oh, hooey! It's so obviously a dirty sex pic, like all those inkblots my perv doc keeps showing me.

Yeah, something there's got a head, but that ain't no dino. I think the Daily Mail just wanted an excuse to print some porn

[Fire Walk With Me]

68. Early Republicans taxed the dinosaur to extinction.

Lesson learned.

[hatrack]

69. I think it's just a really, really, REALLY old Sinclair ad!

:rofl: