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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:30 PM
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A teacher's op ed: "everyone these days seems to think they know my job better than I do."
That is the truth. People who have never been in a classroom, mayors, politicians, billionaires looking for investments...they all seem to think they know better than teachers.

I like the way this teacher expresses himself in his opinion piece for the Chicago Sun-Times.

Experience makes teachers better — we’re worth the cost

When I have a leaky pipe in my home, I call my plumber. I wouldn’t dream of telling him how to do his job, nor would I be able to do what he does. I could say the same thing about all my friends and relatives who have occupations and careers that differ from mine.

That is why I am both amazed and angered over the fact that everyone these days seems to think they know my job better than I do.

I have been a public school teacher in Illinois for the last 36 years, but now everyone from Bill Gates to Rahm Emanuel, from state and federal politicians to the pundits on cable news stations, seems to think they know how to teach.


He points out that having billions of dollars doesn't make one an authority on "how to engage, entertain, inspire, motivate and educate a classroom of 25 10- and 11-year-olds for 6½ hours each day."

Very true. It takes skill and experience in knowing what works and what just makes matters worse. You can not script a successful classroom, it is something that comes together by putting someone in there who knows how to motivate and inspire.

The writer makes some very good points about tenure, points many of us have tried to make. Yet we get drowned out by the calls to "get rid" of bad teachers. Explaining that it takes years of being a good teacher to get tenure...makes no difference at all.

You see, tenure doesn’t just protect those bad teachers we always hear about; it also protects a multitude of good teachers. It protects them against the ire of the local bank president whose son got a D on his report card and whose brother-in-law is on the school board. It protects them against budget cuts when it would be very easy to get rid of the more expensive and experienced staff members. It gives them time to acquire the knowledge and wisdom they need to become master teachers.


Excellent op ed by a teacher who knows how much experience means.

The Gates Foundation just came up with the most telling thing that has happened lately. It shows us that putting brand new teachers with no experience and just a few weeks training as teacher into the classrooms isn't working.

Bill Gates is planning to equip new Teach for America teachers with earbuds so they can be successful. I wonder if he knew that would come across as an admission that teachers either need experience....or they must have someone on the other end of the transmission telling them how to conduct a lesson.

Bill Gates and his earbuds...an admission that experience does count.


TFA Teachers will get live in-ear feedback just like NFL coaches thanks to technology funded by the Gates Foundation. Picture from FastCompany article

Teachers-in-training will have their very own personal angel to discreetly coach them through new lesson plans, with the same ear-bud wiring that feeds live information to NFL coaches. Teach for America is hoping that private coaching will speed up the painstakingly slow process of teacher development, allowing teachers to get both tailored instruction and the experience of being at the head of the classroom, without risking a disaster for students.


Just think of all the experienced teachers who were fired or laid off so this new teacher could have the earbuds.

"Once a teacher understands what it feels like to be successful, it takes root immediately," Monica Jordan, coordinator of teacher professional development in Memphis City Schools, told Education Week.

The experimental group of teachers is willing, if hesitant. "I thought, what if they say something in my ear and I lose my train of thought?" said algebra teacher Cynthia Law. "And then I thought, so what if I lose my train of thought, I'll figure it out," Law continued, confidently, "I'm not a play-it-safe person. I'm willing for my kids' sake to look foolish."


Three cities are getting this service right now from Bill Gates.

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is funding the work in Memphis, Tampa and New York, hoping to prove that tailoring professional development raises the needle on test scores.


I'm with the teacher who wrote the op ed:

When I think of all the students I have taught; the countless classes and workshops I have attended; the out-of-pocket dollars I have spent on supplies that were not provided; the 30 summers I worked to help make ends meet, and the fact that I have become a better teacher with each passing year, I feel like I am worth it.

Just like my plumber, Ray, who was one of my students.


I keep hoping someone in this administration will realize the harm being done to good teachers, but they have not so far.

Recently President Obama said these words:

“...We have piled on a lot of standardized tests on our kids. Now, there’s nothing wrong with a standardized test being given occasionally just to give a baseline of where kids are at. Malia and Sasha, my two daughters, they just recently took a standardized test. But it wasn’t a high-stakes test. It wasn’t a test where they had to panic. I mean, they didn’t even really know that they were going to take it ahead of time. They didn’t study for it, they just went ahead and took it. And it was a tool to diagnose where they were strong, where they were weak, and what the teachers needed to emphasize.

“Too often what we’ve been doing is using these tests to punish students or to, in some cases, punish schools. And so what we’ve said is let’s find a test that everybody agrees makes sense; let’s apply it in a less pressured-packed atmosphere; let’s figure out whether we have to do it every year or whether we can do it maybe every several years; and let’s make sure that that’s not the only way we’re judging whether a school is doing well.


I agree 100% with President Obama, let's not keep using the standardized tests that way.

He also said:

“So what I want to do is -- one thing I never want to see happen is schools that are just teaching to the test. Because then you’re not learning about the world; you’re not learning about different cultures, you’re not learning about science, you’re not learning about math. All you’re learning about is how to fill out a little bubble on an exam and the little tricks that you need to do in order to take a test. And that’s not going to make education interesting to you. And young people do well in stuff that they’re interested in. They’re not going to do as well if it’s boring.”

Obama bashes his own education policies


I agree with him 100%. Then why is his administration pushing for this testing which is narrowing our curriculum to the standards set by the testmakers? Is he not aware of his own policy.

I would like to quote Anthony Cody, a science teacher in Oakland in the inner city. In the article he points out that "either President Obama is trying to mislead people, or he is unfamiliar with the policies being advanced by his very own secretary of education, who was seated just a few feet away from him at this event."

These last two years I have seen public school teachers being subjected to the most degrading attacks ever. I talk to career teacher friends of mine who have devoted themselves to their kids and their school.

I am with Anthony Cody...does the president know his education policy or not?

And I am with the teacher who is tired of everyone thinking they know how to do his job better than he does.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:36 PM
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1. We have too many experts who think they're experts because they were once in the 3rd grade
Great post, mad.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:55 PM
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4. Everyone is an authority on teaching now.
Think of all the years we spent taking classes and learning our profession...
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:35 PM
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11. Well, some of them were there for several years. nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:06 PM
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16. LOL!!!!
:rofl:
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:56 PM
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14. +1
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:45 PM
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18. BINGO!
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:46 PM
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35. If they passed third grade, they better know what onomatopoeia
is. It is on the TEST---twice.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:36 PM
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2. So now they pay a teacher AND a coach. Before just a teacher. where is the savings?
good post as always!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:32 PM
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10. Amazing isn't it, the way they reason things out.
:hi:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:03 PM
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43. I was wondering about that too. Instead of having the coach whispering instructions
just have them be the ones teaching the kids!
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:37 PM
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45. The 'savings', are the profits the manufacturers and the Education
Edited on Fri Apr-01-11 02:38 PM by sabrina 1
Publishing Corps will get from Public Funding which previously went directly to the schools, long ago I guess.

It's the same system as the Health Care debacle. There are middlemen who dip into the funds allotted for HC and Education for basically doing nothing and knowing nothing about either profession. They take out approx 30% in profits.

The Educational Publishing Corps have made millions since NCLB was implemented, sellling all that test material.

They don't care about students. Teachers care about students. NCLB is a business program, it is not an educational program even by the widest stretch of the imagination. No educators were involved in writing this 'educational program'. It was the creation of businessmen.

It may be a failure as far as schools go, but it is a magnificent success for what it was meant to do. Help Private Corps get their hands on Public Funds.

I consider NCLB to be a crime against students now and in the future. It is shocking that any Democrat ever supported it.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:01 PM
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60. They want to hire cheap coaches from India
See? They've got all the angles covered.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:42 PM
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3. why not povide this ear bud training for current teachers? cuz they want to dump current
teachers and replace them with lower paid teachers and kill the union is why.

Obama's race to the top indeed.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:14 PM
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6. Because we aren't football coaches
It's a really stupid idea anyway.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 04:44 PM
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56.  Ear buds and live-feed?
What an unbelievably stupid idea. I have taught for 38 years, and the last thing I need is some nitwit talking in my ear telling me what to do as I am trying to teach my class. Jesus, that is a really dumb idea.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 10:35 AM
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64. Exactly! And has the nitwit
ever been on the 'front lines' as you guys are? Sermonizing on how kids 'should be' educated and the reality of day-to-day life at school are two very different things. I am a classified school employee and I have nothing but admiration for most teachers. I too work in the combat zone and no one except those that go there understand that. Do these "coaches" have any idea of how to get through to an attitude-ridden, earbudded, texting, entitled teen who doesn't want to be there? I'd love any pointers from them.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:11 PM
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5. Recommend
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:16 PM
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7. Great post
:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Will Bill ever get it right? I really wish he would, he could be a positive force in education. I'll give him some credit, the earbud idea is a step above Jeb's talking cow.. :eyes:

Until Bill buys a clue, the foundation should be disentangled from DoEd. Not sure how you do that with Arne at the helm.

An interesting look at DOEd missions from 1997 to now..


* Strengthen the Federal commitment to assuring access to equal educational opportunity for every individual;

* Supplement and complement the efforts of states, the local school systems and other instrumentalities of the states, the private sector, public and private nonprofit educational research institutions, community-based organizations, parents, and students to improve the quality of education;

* Encourage the increased involvement of the public, parents, and students in Federal education programs;

* Promote improvements in the quality and usefulness of education through Federally supported research, evaluation, and sharing of information;

* Improve the coordination of Federal education programs;

* Improve the management of Federal education activities; and

* Increase the accountability of Federal education programs to the President, the Congress, and the public.


http://replay.waybackmachine.org/19970606081446/http://www.ed.gov/welcome.html

And from today..


• Establishing policies on federal financial aid for education, and distributing as well as monitoring those funds.

• Collecting data on America's schools and disseminating research.

• Focusing national attention on key educational issues.

• Prohibiting discrimination and ensuring equal access to education.


http://www2.ed.gov/about/landing.jhtml
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:46 PM
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13. The most important word in your 2nd list....data.
Data Data Data...more and more test scores. The most data-driven bunch I have seen. Arne even wanted the stimulus money to go to building a database of test scores to make it easier to grade teachers by them.
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Scottybeamer70 Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:44 PM
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8. Great post, mad
I once had a supervisor ( had never taught a class ) come into my junior high class to SHOW me how to teach Spanish.
She lasted about 8 minutes before the students laughed her out of the room. She never came back to SHOW me again!
The "business world" thinks they know how to teach??? What a horror show that is going to be.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:47 PM
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9. Well, Michelle Rhee taped her students' mouths shut, and look where she is.
Any ordinary teacher would be fired for that stunt. She gets all kinds of praise and glory, though she admitted to doing it.

In fact...I once knew a teacher who taped a kid's mouth and did get fired right away.

Double standard.

Too many think having a lot of money makes them smarter. :shrug:
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:58 PM
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38. That sounds like Ms. Rhee was unable to control her classroom.
Perhaps she might have been helped by the earbuds--so long as you, madfloridian, were her "coach!"
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:58 PM
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47. holy christ
When I read what you said I had to check, it's just too wild to believe. But...

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/looselips/2010/08/16/baltimore-schools-have-really-strong-masking-tape/

I'm not sure how you would figure out "merit based pay" for someone so callous and incompetent.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:36 PM
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12. K and R (nt)
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:57 PM
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15. k/r
:kick:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:38 PM
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17. More empty phrases from the president's Univision speech.
"So there are a couple things that we can do. Number one is I think it’s very important for us to say to young people who are thinking about a career, think about teaching. There’s no job that's more important and is going to give you more satisfaction and will give you more impact and influence over your community than if you go into teaching.

And so we’re trying to constantly elevate teaching as a profession. And I think we as a society have to do that, because young people, they're kind of seeing what appears to be valued. And if all they see are basketball players and rappers and -- then that's where they’ll gravitate to. And if, on the other hand, they see that teachers are being lifted up as important, then they’ll think about teaching as a career. So that's part number one."

http://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/latest-national/23016-remarks-by-president-obama-at-univision-town-hall.html

Actually about all that people are seeing right now is that public school teachers are unworthy. :shrug:
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themadstork Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:47 AM
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21. Slashing their pay and benefits, demonizing them in the press. . .
Edited on Fri Apr-01-11 02:47 AM by themadstork
Boy, really makes me want to go teach!

I don't understand what people are thinking when they go along with the "teachers are living high on the hog" hate. How do their BS detectors NOT go off?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 11:07 AM
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31. Exactly right....no incentives are left.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 03:52 PM
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55. LOL!
Yeah,

There's nothing quite like going to the grocery checkout counter and trying to convince them to let you have your groceries in exchange for the warm sense of reward you get as a teacher! :dunce:
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 01:12 PM
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39. Yeah,
I have to wonder who writes Obama's speeches. His scripts would bleed red ink if our out-of-work English teachers got the opportunity to edit--this speech REEKS of bad grammar. Notice, too, his plethora of split infinitives.

Sad, really, what passes for 'educated' these days...
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 01:03 AM
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19. For the same reason, nobody should criticize Obama.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 03:49 PM
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52. ... and here comes the false analogy!
Today's lesson is: spot the difference between a professional and an elected official in a democracy.
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:18 AM
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20. I wish my father was around to lend his wisdom to this discussion
He taught for 40 years, and made a lasting impression on those he taught. I met one of his former students who told me my dad didn't just teach subjects, he taught how to think, discover and learn. He took on the challenge of teaching remedial classes willingly and successfully. I don't know what he would have done in today's climate, but he may have found a way to teach to the test, supplemented with life lessons.

I find the current criticism of teachers absurd, but more importantly, I find it dangerous. Teachers are being blamed for problems real and imagined while Wall Street wrecked the country and walked off unscathed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:12 PM
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33. Good post about your father.
Yes, what is going on now is dangerous. They are putting real learning and real teaching at risk by their rhetoric made up by corporate reformers.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 05:53 AM
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22. I am not a teacher, but I am a parent.
I can't begin to understand how a teacher can keep a class paying attention and learning. I have a child with ADHD which always made things difficult. Her grades were and are still always great, but she has had trouble with acting out in class. Imagine having at least one of those kids in the class that the teacher has to take time away from teaching the other kids to deal with. If you notice in obama's comments, he talks about schools and students..... but what indeed about the teachers. Teachers don't go into teaching for the money. Give me a break! I just watched a video where a guy running for office danced around the call to decrease his $174k salary he would get by saying how hard it is what with student loans and driving a used minivan. I mean, he would have to pay $600 a month towards his insurance!! and pay towards his retirement!! and he has student loans!! how is it rough to live on $174k, but teachers are living it up. Obama has called for people to go into teaching. Good luck with that. who in their right mind would go into teaching right now!! I mean, they are being blamed for everything. Because lord knows it can't be the fact that Timmy sits in front of a video game all night instead of doing his homework. that no one reads to him. that no one makes him be responsible for himself or his actions. just blame the teacher.

Just to let you know.... I certainly don't blame the teacher when my kids don't do well. Or if they get in trouble at school. I hate to think where we will be when all the good teachers are gone.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:25 AM
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23. Like the pukes, Obama obviously feels
that nobody of consequence is going to call him out on his war-of-words with himself. He gets to have his cake and eat it, too. That's the benefit of a lapdog media who are terrified of "losing access". They don't challenge; they fellate. It's sick.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 08:07 AM
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24. Obama says one thing
and does another

well, at this point in his career, it has become his signature rather than an aberration.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 03:51 PM
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54. To be fair, that has been a quintessential characteristic of the US presidency from way back
wanting to have it all both ways being an intrinsic part of the American national character and all...
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 08:14 AM
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25. 6 1/2 hour school day! I wish.
8:30 to 2:30 in Chicago now. Includes lunch and now breakfast(!) in the classroom.

Golly our schools suck here.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 09:40 AM
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26. I got the impression he was just talking about instruction time...
not the work day.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 10:06 AM
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27. My point is that in Chicago kids get only six hours total school time
It is the shortest in the country. But Chicago Public Schools are a notorious shithole.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 10:33 AM
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29. How would extending the school day fix that?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:35 PM
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34. More instruction time would let kids be taught more
Edited on Fri Apr-01-11 12:35 PM by AngryAmish
Unless you theorize that less classroom time means better student outcomes and learning. Plus it keeps them off the streets.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:53 PM
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36. Believe it or not, research says longer days don't always result in increased achievement
It depends on how the schools fill the extra time.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 01:31 PM
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40. Let's just hope they fill it well, no?
But this is Chicago, and CPS is such a shithole...
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 03:36 PM
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51. You don't seem to know much about kids...
Younger kids especially, but even many teenagers, are not yet at a stage of development, mentally or psychologically, where it is at all realistic to expect them to be able to sit and focus in a really concentrated way for much more than six hours a day and to actually get anything out of it. In fact it could be counterproductive. Besides that, a good deal of the learning a student does takes place in the context of completing homework assignments where they are asked to think, on their own, about how to apply the things they learned during class time.

A better solution would be to drastically cut back on the summer vacation. I know many teachers who would be happy to go along with that, because they know that after each summer vacation their students will have essentially lost a month or two worth of things they had learned during the previous term. It's the old, "use it or lose it" principle.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 11:38 AM
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32. It didn't look odd to me.
Those are the hours of the elementary schools in my district. 8:15 to 2:15 to be precise.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:54 PM
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37. We go an hour longer than that
Started this year.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 10:26 AM
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28. My hope as a teacher is that in the 10 or so years that I have left
before retirement: I hope I truly get to teach again. I have been doing nothing but teach to the test for the last 7 years, and it is grinding all of us down. This simply is a tragic era we have been going through in education.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 10:49 AM
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30. Yes, it is a "tragic era" in educaton.
Apt description. There's nothing else to call it.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 05:55 PM
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58. And,
we've watched multiple generations of children grow to hate school and everything it stands for. And/or, they hate/fear certain core subjects (math and science, most often). And/or, they develop test anxieties that haunt them the rest of their lives. In short, for many of our children, school is a terrible experience.

I was lucky if I had two students in twenty-five who prevailed in spite of the pedantic and boring standardized testing. Even my AP students were disenchanted with school (for these students, this was partially attributable to a controlling and "Michelle-Rhee-like" administrator).

Those hereinabove who still believe in Obama's purported commitment to 'rescuing' public education need only review madfloridian's tireless and commendable documentation of the REALITY of Obama's assault on teachers and unions. He has lost my respect AND my support.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 01:32 PM
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41. Gates idea of a good teacher....kids don't fidget.
http://modeducation.blogspot.com/2011/03/bill-gates-great-teachers-dont-allow.html

"Despite Gates’ sane request for increased taxes and educational spending, the rest of his Ed Deform shtick remains the same. He continues to call for an elimination of teacher raises based on seniority and degrees, to be replaced by merit schemes based on student test scores. He still wants to privatize the schools and replace them with charters. His notion of a great teacher is one who is so obsessively self-critical that a single student fidget is considered a sign of failure. The WSJ quotes him as saying, “We video a great teacher and then she watches it and comments on her video, saying, "that kid's foot is jerking. I'm not making this interesting enough."

Ridiculous, and dangerous. Of course kids fidget.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 05:58 PM
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59. Gates
IS ridiculous, AND dangerous!!! Why is ANYONE listening to him?!?!?!
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:14 PM
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61. Because he has boatloads of money, and that apparently is the extent of the validation required
in this country at least.

Never mind that he is a school drop out.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 01:45 PM
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42. It is one of the toughest and most important jobs in the world, imho. K&R for OP! n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:14 PM
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44. Hey, all you need in order to teach is the answer book & the power to exile anyone from your classes
;-)
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:44 PM
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46. excellent post!
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DeanDem10 Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 03:10 PM
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48. When I was a new young teacher
I got a terse letter from a mom protesting her daughter's B instead of A on a single written assignment. She was the administrative assistant/girlfriend of an attorney, who was also the mayor of a nearby city . The mom's letter was on legal stationery from the man's law practice. He sent me a letter on behalf of his girlfriends/administrative assistant's daughter on mayoral stationery.

This was on a grade for one assignment! But they were putting me on notice that I had pissed them off. They put pressure on the principal concerning me. She backed me completely. But this is part of why teachers get tenure. (They also get it so that monkey trial idiots do not try to get them to go back to the dark ages when trying to teach science, literature, politics or anything that is controversial/unpopular with the bullying elements of our society.

It is not true, however, that bad teachers cannot be fired. They can be and they are (fired).




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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 03:29 PM
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49. Oh, yes, that kind of pressure happens.
There are several schools in our city where the pressure from parents is so great for the teacher to make the kids look good...that some teachers have left in tears. And some would rather risk teaching in a less "influential" community.

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erinlough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 03:33 PM
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50. Thank you for posting this.
This is the great lie, that tenure means you can't be fired. Good administrators can and do get rid of bad teachers, and I am appreciative of it. I have been in teaching for 36 years and have seen it and approved of it. Does anyone think I would want the students I teach to have to go to their next class with a bad teacher? Heck no, it only helps my kids to have their teachers be excellent. I teach special education and I depend on the skills of the classroom teacher to help my students reach their potential. So much of what is being said about education is either lies or deliberate fabrication for political and financial gain. I don't like Obama's policies one bit, but I continue to hope he will change.
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distilledvinegar Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 05:07 PM
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57. you were fortunate
At my school, parents don't bother writing letters to the teachers - or even talking to them. No, here they address their poison letters directly to the principal, who, unfortunately, is much more invested in the parent community than our teaching staff.

I had one parent do this to me earlier this year immediately after the student had been suspended for assaulting another student (not in my class). Afterward, I had to meet with the Principal and defend myself against the letter - without the parent present. I was never told why the parent wasn't included in the meeting, I can only guess that they weren't willing to back up what they wrote face-to-face with me. (Sorry, but I have to call "chicken" on that - although "spineless weasel" is closer to how I really feel.)

The principal's response to our meeting was to "memorialize" it, completely leaving out any of my responses and only presenting the parent's complaints. The principal can now include that memo in my evaluation for the year - I am allowed to write a response and have it stapled to her documentation of the event.

It was ridiculous, I had to answer hearsay, and there was absolutely no attempt to help the parent and I reconcile on any level. So much for conflict resolution; apparently that is only for students, not staff. Fortunately I kept doing my best to keep the parent's child on track with frequent communication with the family, and the parent seems much placated now.

But that's how it is - a parent's word is taken as absolute truth, never mind that they've never spent so much as a minute in the classroom. And an accusation is tantamount to a conviction.

I'm so sick of this kind of thing that I often think I'd rather be at a school with less entitled families - and that's on a good day. On the bad days, I only look forward to the day I won't be a teacher anymore. And yes, I do have an "escape plan," probably the only thing that keeps me going aside from my love of the actual teaching part of the job and my deep affection for my students.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 03:50 PM
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53. Awesome OP as always!
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 07:26 PM
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62. It is a constant anti labor, anti Union song and dance...
'Anyone can do it' and 'hundreds are waiting to take that job and do it just as well'. It is adapted for each profession or occupation that dares stand up for itself. Same old soft shoe.
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 06:26 AM
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63. I think Pres. Obama knows and believes
in his policy and trusts Duncan to implement it fully. Obama knows.


.....I would like to quote Anthony Cody, a science teacher in Oakland in the inner city. In the article he points out that "either President Obama is trying to mislead people, or he is unfamiliar with the policies being advanced by his very own secretary of education, who was seated just a few feet away from him at this event.".....
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 10:47 AM
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65. I'm too late to recommend this, but not to late to say thank-you.
As I type, I've got a parent threatening to pull a kid from school because he got a D on his report card. That parent did not show up, so far, for either round of conferences, and did not contact me with any concerns about the weekly progress reports sent home, that they've signed every week, all year.

I've got 2 students whose mother thinks that all teachers pick on her kids...all 6 of them, in every school they've ever attended. She encourages them to resist and oppose teachers.

I've got the local paper putting out teacher and school-bashing editorials on a regular basis.

I've got local and state politicians demanding new contracts that get rid of seniority for purposes of RIFs and pay schedules.

I've got good, well-meaning people sure that Obama will oppose these constant attacks.

They haven't paid attention.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 10:56 AM
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66. Thanks for posting, but it is just so sad. Everyone empowered but the teachers....
the kids, the parents, the administrators....they have their scapegoats now. They have been enabled by Arne, intentionally or unintentionally, to treat teachers with rudeness and lack of respect.

My best to you, and I am so glad I am out of it now.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 04:03 PM
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70. I wish I could find some other way to make a living.
I am just so tired of being the scapegoat. I love working with students, but the stress, the hours, the constantly increasing responsibilities and decreasing pay and respect is just draining me.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 10:58 AM
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67. Everyone is getting that
The more people specialize in one area and are expert in it, they more they believe themselves to be experts in everything else. There's a certain "smarts" they think they have, so that if they know more about their esoteric field than anyone else, you'd think they'd realize other people know more about theirs and not having spent the time, they don't know what they are talking about. Yet the human ego seems to work illogically and they think they must know what to do in any field.

A lawyer will get the same thing - clients lecturing on what the law is (read, what they want it to be and how they want it to work). I've even heard smartasses criticizing the way their doctors treat their ailments - of course there must be any easy way, the doctor is just incompetent!
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distilledvinegar Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 12:36 PM
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68. i guess
maybe if I were paid as much as a doctor or a lawyer (hell, half as much) I'd be a lot more willing to put up with that kind of BS.

I also know that sometimes doctors, lawyers, and yes, teachers ARE wrong, so it's always important to give anyone's criticisms consideration. Then again, I also know that a doctor or lawyer's clients are much less likely to take their criticisms directly over the professional's head without even talking to them first.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 08:28 PM
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69. K&R...
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