Dennis Kucinish calling for IMPEACHMENT of President Obama on Democracy Now!

[Hutzpa]

Looks like Dennis is fixated on the word impeachment.

He did not succeed on Bush being impeach now he is calling for an
elected Democratic President to be impeached.

Dennis you have allowed your ego to crowd your judgment sir,
take some time out, better yet, why not go after Ohio Gov Kasich
who is destroying your State with collective bargaining rights?

Instead you are focused on tearing down your fellow democrat.


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Here is the link;
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/4/1/rep_kucinich_lack_of_congressional_approval

[cali]

1. link please.

[Hutzpa]

27. No link yet

but was just watching it live when he said he should be impeached for not going to
Congress.

Hopefully someone will post the video later.

[polichick]

2. Is he actually "calling for impeachment" or is he still saying that...

...going to war without consulting Congress is an impeachable offense?

[4lbs]

5. They are the same. Why would you say something is an "impeachable" offense if you didn't actually

want impeachment to occur?

If you don't want impeachment, then stop bleating "impeachable offense" on the airwaves.

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[Bumblebee]

16. The message that was transmitted to him from his trusted UFO?

[4lbs]

25. He couldn't do that without the whole world hearing about it?

[polichick]

13. Of course they're not the same - lol

[4lbs]

26. Then what's the point of saying "impeachable offense" all over the airwaves then?

[polichick]

28. To make the point, I'd guess.

[4lbs]

29. What point? Couldn't it have been made in a letter to the President? Or was it the only way

Mr. "Never could get more than 1% national support in a Presidential primary" felt anyone would pay the slightest attention to him?

[polichick]

30. The point that presidents don't go to Congress about war anymore...

Like it or not, he has a right to complain - they all do.

[cali]

15. they aren't the same and he's specifically stated that he is not calling

for President Obama to be impeached.

You richly deserve many unrecs for your meretricious op. shame on YOU.

[4lbs]

21. Then what's the point of saying "impeachable offense" all over the airwaves then?

[Tiggeroshii]

46. I'm guessing it's to help deter going into war?

...Not even the war powers act says the president needs to consult congress before they've been involved for more than 60 days. He's sent the notice that's required by law, and by that definition we have not yet been in war. Especially since all of our forces will no longer be involved once that 60 days comes around.

[frylock]

54. what's the point of giving you an answer if you're not going to listen?

people have answered your question.

[elocs]

36. Doing it that way Kucinich gets to talk about it without claiming he wants impeachment.

It's called plausible deniability. "Well I'm not calling for impeachment, I'm just bringing it up". Wow, and butter doesn't melt in his mouth either.

[SidDithers]

38. Exactly. "I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin', you know?"...nt

Sid

[Hutzpa]

40. Exactly, he is implying

so in other words he is using semantics knowing the less obtuse will not get it.

[polichick]

41. He's got a right to complain - presidents have been skipping Congressional approval...

...for years - they should all be complaining, and so should we.

[PurityOfEssence]

73. Some of us want an acknowledgement of having exceeded authority in order to preserve the law

That seems to be his tack, too. To not answer the critics shows Obama to be a scofflaw, and it helps the Republicans to undermine the concept of the all-powerful Executive that they love so much.

[meow mix]

3. dennis bachman

hes jumped the shark

[sharp_stick]

4. It's Dennis fund raising

season again.

[Bumblebee]

6. This is one Dem I am not going to miss once he is re-districted.

Next thing to watch for: Dennis doubts Obama was born in the US... Whatever it takes.

Note also: he is from Ohio. All kinds of ugly things are happening there under the new governor, and he should be talking about recalling Kasich, not impeaching Obama. But he never really cared for the people he is supposed to represent, only for himself.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. He is a federal not a state rep

[Bumblebee]

14. Yes, a federal nut case

Let the "federals" contribute to his campaign then. What a joke!

[Hutzpa]

35. Never thought seeing a UFO

could have this much of an impact on your mental aptitude.

Federal Nut case sounds about right.

[sharp_stick]

10. I wouldn't be too surprised

if he tried to re-invent himself again as a family values Conservative to survive it ala Holy Joe Lieberman.

[ProSense]

7. It's official,

Kucinich is a clown!

February 23: Remarks by the President on Libya

February 25: Letter from the President Regarding Libya Sanctions

March 1: SENATE RESOLUTION 85--STRONGLY CONDEMNING THE GROSS AND SYSTEMATIC VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN LIBYA, INCLUDING VIOLENT ATTACKS ON PROTESTERS DEMANDING DEMOCRATIC REFORMS, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES (PDF)

<...>

(7) urges the United Nations Security Council to take such further action as may be necessary to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory;

<...>

President Obama acted under the U.N. Charter and fulfilled the War Powers Act requirements: Consulted with Congress, notified Congress within 48 hours and now has 60 days to submit a report.

Member of Congress are right to debate the action and conduct hearings. Their job is oversight. The President must still issue a report in accordance with the WPA. Congress will decide the appropriate course of action in terms of authorization.

[JuniperLea]

23. He had me suckered for a while...

But this BS shows his true colors.

[grahamhgreen]

11. His exact words, "Look, there's not going to be an impeachment"

Look, Obama has been governing as Bush-lite.

We'd be better off trying Biden for a while.

[tblue]

19. I'm still waiting for the ones I've been waiting for.

I am so done with the Caver.

[Solomon]

62. If you only know how stupid this remark is.

You are the one you've been waiting for.

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[trumad]

12. I have a very good friend who worked for DK...

and said he's a pure Dick.

Nader and Dennis--- always looking for the pub.

[RZM]

18. I've heard that about Nader

Apparently he's a pretty brusque character behind the scenes. Don't know about Kucinich, but I think that genuine outsiders/rebels are often rather prickly personalities . . . there's probably a correlation between uncompromising positions that buck trends and being kind of an asshole. Two of three most famous Soviet dissidents in the 1970s (Solzhenitsyn and Bukovsky) were not known for being particularly friendly on a personal level.

[grahamhgreen]

24. I've met Dennis, he is a great guy.

[trumad]

37. Meeting him and working with him are two different things.

[grahamhgreen]

68. I have worked with him.

[Union Scribe]

71. And both are different from posting unverifiable stories on the internet.

[StarburstClock]

70. Who's the person? They sound like "a dick" to me

Doesn't that just validate the heck out of what I just said? NO.

[trumad]

72. Well---long time friend

and a wonderful progressive Democrat.

oh--and fuck off.

[tblue]

17. The man's got balls, I'll give him that.

Dennis has probably decided he's had it up to here with this president. I'm not that invested but I'm sure he knows this won't go anywhere, so Dennis isn't doing this to score political brownie points and is clearly risking a lot to do this. He really is sincere in believing the president was out of bounds. I don't question his motives and I sure don't disparage a person just for not sticking to the party line.

[Bumblebee]

20. Wrong. This is a desperate effort to get money for his campaign.

Since "mainstream" Dems and his own constituents have pretty much written him off as a nut, he is trying to appeal to the radicals on both sides. NOTHING he does is ever altruistic or purely principled. He is as bad as Bachmann -- and actually as stupid as well.

[AlabamaLibrul]

43. Good to know you're on the ground polling for Kucinich

He seems to get re-elected just fine without your help, thank you very much.

[dmallind]

22. Well it's the right day for it.

Trouble is, DK says shite like that on more than one day a year.

[Monique1]

32. Dennis can go you know where

He makes me ill.

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[Bluenorthwest]

34. Kucinich: "there’s not going to be an impeachment."

And yet you say he is calling for impeachment? Here is the full quote, but first I want to point out that the OP has no quote from Dennis, who actually says 'no impeachment'. The exchange, in which the interviewer introduces the word 'impeachment' into the conversation:
JUAN GONZALEZ: And Congressman, when you say an "impeachable offense," those are pretty strong words.

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Well, actually, what I’ve said is that he’s exceeded his authority as executive, and I raised a question as to whether or not when someone does that, if that in fact is an impeachable offense. Look, there’s not going to be an impeachment, but someone has to say that what the President is doing is fundamentally wrong, if we have any understanding of the way this country was founded. The founders did not want to create, in the executive, another British king who could wage war at his whim and caprice."

I guess the original lacked the zing of the OP's rewrite. "There's not going to be an impeachment." became "He calls for impeachment." Much more zingy! It simply resounds with truthiness!

[Hutzpa]

39. He was asked a question regarding statements he has made

before, regarding impeachment, and what he said is that it looks like there is not going to be an impeachment but
what the President is doing is fundamentally wrong, that in itself is contradictory because when you examine the
statement you will fully understand what he is saying. He may not say impeachment but he is IMPLYING that there is
a case for IMPEACHMENT.

I understand the disappointment when your idol is doing or saying things you don't agree with.

[Bluenorthwest]

47. Thanks for the attack, I have no idols. You get personal when

asked a question regrading a statement you had made, which was the opposite of what a Democratic Congressman actually said. No impeachment is what he said. Yet you said he called for impeachment. And he did not previously call for impeachment either, I note your lack of a quote from him that says so. When asked about your previous statement, you got all personal at me, rather than providing a quote from the Congressman to prove that what you said was true. I read him saying bluntly that there will be no impeachment. You say he is calling for impeachment. But I can provide a quote, and you provide a swipe at me, who you do not even know at all. No more than I know you. The snark does not mitigate the lack of honesty in your OP.
Typing in caps does not do it either. I'm not the only person who has pointed out that your OP is not accurate. No impeachment. Impeachment. You say they mean the same thing! I do not agree with you!

[Hutzpa]

51. Why would you consider Dennis your idol an attack

you seem to have problem comprehending correspondence, anyway he is implying that Obama be impeached,
whether Dennis uses the word impeachment or not makes not much of a difference his intention is
clear for all to see.

Oh, don't loose your sense of humor.

[Bluenorthwest]

66. We are here to discuss issues. You went all personal snark

That is not humor, that is out of line, off topic and just you smearing another Democrat without any basis in fact. That is what it is.

[fishwax]

60. "IMPLYING that there is a case for IMPEACHMENT" isn't the same as "calling for IMPEACHMENT"

even shouting the words doesn't make it the same ;)

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[hlthe2b]

42. Dennis is in "self-destruct" mode it seems....

unfortunate....

[Shagbark Hickory]

44. You're not supposed to criticize your own kind no matter how wrong they are. nt

[bvar22]

45. Unrec, for a dishonest attack on a Democrat.

Maybe you should be attacking the Republicans.
Have you no Party Loyalty?
Why are you helping The Republicans?



Who will STAND UP and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
Empty Rhetoric, Empty Promises, and Excuses are meaningless now.

"By their WORKS you will know them,"
And by their WORKS they will be held accountable.

[glinda]

48. Then what Dennis? Huh? Calm down and work to keep your seat. Geeeze.

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[WI_DEM]

50. I assume since he is probably going to be redistricted out of congress that he will

run for president again against Obama.

[davidthegnome]

52. Dennis has not called for impeachment

In fact he clearly said that there wasn't going to be one. Your OP is misleading.

Do you really want to tear down a fellow democrat? Think about it. There are valid reasons for criticizing Dennis. This is not one of them. Misrepresenting his statement as "calling for impeachment" is, frankly, an unfair attack. You don't like the way he opposes many of the President's actions and policies? Fine, fair enough. That doesn't give you the right to make things up about him.

[DevonRex]

53. Then why bring it up every fucking chance he gets?

He's themone who's being dishonest - about his motive and his intent

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[Hutzpa]

55. Lets see

"REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Well, actually, what I’ve said is that he’s exceeded his authority as executive, and I raised a question as to whether or not when someone does that, if that in fact is an impeachable offense. Look, there’s not going to be an impeachment, but someone has to say that what the President is doing is fundamentally wrong, if we have any understanding of the way this country was founded. The founders did not want to create, in the executive, another British king who could wage war at his whim and caprice.

This president has assumed power that no president, not even President Bush, has assumed. And I think that we need to focus on this, not as a matter of whether we like President Obama or not, not as a matter of whether we are Democrats or not, but whether or not we understand the basic constitutional principles of the separation of power, of the separation of the war power, and that the president’s role as commander-in-chief has nothing to do with an ability to make war. He just simply doesn’t have that power."

To start with the statement in itself is deliberately conflating for the less obtuse so I can understand your outrage.

So if he is not calling for impeachment, what exactly he is saying should happened if the basic constitution does not allow a President
to wage war? Can you answer that? Then we will continue.

[Hutzpa]

57. delete - dupe

[LiberalFighter]

59. Day by day Kucinich is losing credibility

[tabasco]

61. He's a dumbass.

Got some kind of messiah complex.

[center rising]

63. Hey Dennis STFU!!!

Assclown!!!

[Odious justice]

64. Dennis Kucinish is not afraid to not make a difference!

And I support him for not doing that.

[tabasco]

76. Great!

LOL.

[Fire Walk With Me]

65. Dennis, I love you, but this is out of proportion.

[sce56]

67. I belive he is fixated on following the "Rule of Law" The thing we all cried out for under Shrub!

And I stand with Dennis and CaliforniaPeggy!

[StarburstClock]

69. Hit pieces are more effective if the person being attacked is spelled correctly

It's not "Kucinish".

[Hutzpa]

75. Hey forgive me for living out 'C' within his name

now that you've pointed out my left out letter on a message board,
is there anything tangible you would like to add to this thread. Yes? No? Maybe??

[JVS]

74. yawn

[DireStrike]

77. Sheesh, it's almost as if this guy wants the president to follow the law. What a stickler!

Ol' stick in the mud Kucinich! What good is being president if you can't ignore the law?