'War for Libyan oil planned long ago, no one cares about people'-RT (VIDEO)

[indimuse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fUxVgxj0vc&feature=feedu







no she didn't! (sarc) let the truth be heard!

[indimuse]

1. Well of course it was PLANNED! Wesley clark spilled the beans in 2007!

!

[NightWatcher]

2. shocked I say

and we were planning war in Iraq before 9/11.

As soon as he threatened to make a stink about his oil, it's time to bomb him and change the regime

If we cared about "the people" we'd be in Ivory Coast and a dozen other places

[indimuse]

3. Absolutely!

This is atrocious! And as I think of all the good we could be doing to help Japan..we CHOOSE to bomb and murder innocent people instead. For WHAT? Our government does NOT belong to us anymore. My heart goes out to all who suffer at the hands of these war happy bastards!

[NightWatcher]

4. following the plan: Lieberman wants no fly zone in Syria

how that man is Chair of Homeland Security still boggles the mind

[indimuse]

5. have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQU5fUsu0N4&feature=related

you should see what this guy says about China being our biggest threat right now...notice the countries NOT backing this illegal war.

[Catherina]

15. Heh. China and Russia will allow as much rope as we need to hang ourselves

The Chinese are only too happy to keep lending us money to watch us burn it up. What's the interest rate this time?

[indimuse]

19. We are interfering with THEIR interests as well..

I don't think they'r really *happy* about any of this. I do agree about the rope and hanging..

[indimuse]

6. The Plan...

Wesley and what is coming... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE&feature=related

[stockholmer]

8. +1, this video clip is a key piece

[indimuse]

13. from yesterday..got a little post happy with the military vid's..I wanted

to kind of make a point...WE are NOT the only ones with military forces...this entire affair could backfire!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x790563

[Catherina]

16. "7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, Iran"

This whole thing is Iran by way of Libya.

+1 Indimuse

[indimuse]

17. yeahh..

A bit behind schedule aren't they? ;)

[Catherina]

23. Hit a few curveballs along the way

like the people of Iraq not rushing out to topple Saddam because the opposition was much smaller than we pretended.

Curveballs like this one ;)

[hulka38]

9. The grand plan of the ME

is that we consider it OUR oil and these thugs that sit on it and guard it from people who want to nationalize it, are welcome to become powerful multi-billionaires as long as they know who's boss.

[stockholmer]

7. there are many other issues as well that point to this (lots of info, links, videos)

ABC (the below-mentioned bank) is based in Bahrain, where the US stands by as hundreds of protesters are slaughtered, by the thug puppet Al Khalifa royal family and the Saudis (with US-built and sold weapons and tanks), whilst in Libya, the 'war' is on. Hello hypocrisy.

Arab Banking Corp is also part of the indirect Anglo-American banking empire, in this case the link being the UK branch of the Rothschilds who were advisors on this deal (see Wikileaks doc below).

The convergent timing of Ghaddafi balking at further BP advances into their oil holdings, his signing of massive new infrastructure deals with Russia and China, the formation of AFRICOM by the US Dept of Defense, the presence of al-Qaeda eminating from the main 'rebel' centers, and the initiation of North African operations by Xe (Blackwater) etc all add up to one big pile of pre-planned black-ops.

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Libya-Owned Bank Drew at Least $5 Billion From Fed

http://billionaires.forbes.com/article/05NzeYw6o7eCJ?q=Bloomberg


per Wikileaks:


http://91.214.23.156/cablegate/wire.php?id=08TRIPOLI126&search=

UNCLAS TRIPOLI 000126

SENSITIVE

DEPT FOR NEA/MAG; COMMERCE FOR NATE MASON

E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS:
SUBJECT: WAHDA BANK PRIVATIZATION BID WON BY JORDAN-BASED ARAB BANK

REF: 07 TRIPOLI 885

1.(SBU) In a move that adds momentum to Libya"s promising banking reform efforts, the Libyan Central Bank announced that the Jordan-based Arab Bank won the tendering process to buy 19 percent of Libya"s Wahda Bank. According to press reports, Arab Bank"s winning bid of 210 million euros ($310 million) easily outstripped the second highest bid of 121 million euros ($180 million) by Bahrain-based Arab Banking Corporation. Other short-listed bidders falling short of the mark were Morocco"s Attijariwafa Bank, Italy"s Intesa Sanpaolo. and French bank Societe Generale (Note: Societe Generale announced its withdrawal from the competition on February 12 for undisclosed reasons; Econoff subsequently learned the bank was uncomfortable with elements of the shareholding agreement. End Note). According to a fact sheet issued by Libya"s Central Bank, Wahda Bank is the country"s second largest commercial bank in terms of total loan portfolio, with a market share of over 20%. It is the fifth largest commercial bank in terms of total assets, with 1.7 billion euros ($2.6 billion) and 71 branches throughout the country.

2.(SBU) The shares obtained by Arab Bank were previously owned by the Libyan Economic and Social Development Fund (ESDF), which held 73 percent of Wahda before the sale. With this sale, the ESDF still has a majority stake of 54 percent, but Arab Bank will assume management control of Wahda. The remaining Wahda shares are currently held by the Libyan Central Bank (14 percent) and a collection of Libyan investors and companies (13 percent). Under the terms of its purchase, Arab Bank will have the right to eventually raise its stake in Wahda Bank to 51 percent over the next three to five years.

3.(SBU) Comment: This sale marks the second successful privatization of a Libyan commercial bank, following a similar deal struck with France"s BNP Paribas in its purchase of a 19 percent stake in Sahara Bank in September 2007 (reftel). The Central Bank continues to draw on foreign expertise for pushing through its banking reform strategy, with McKinsey and Company (strategic advisor), Rothschild (financial advisor), Baker and McKenzie (legal) and KPMG (accountants) all playing substantial roles. With the privatizations of Wahda and Sahara well in hand, the next target for the Central Bank will be solidifying its December 2007 merger of the state-owned Jamahiriya and Umma Banks into a single entity, the Libyan Bank. End comment.
STEVENS 0 02/18/2008
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2007 West Point Study: Shows Libyan Rebels Come From Main Al Qaeda Suicide Bomber Recruitment

http://www.americanpendulum.com/2011/03/2007-west-point-study-shows-libyan-rebels-come-from-main-al-qaeda-suicide-bomber-recruitment

The current military attack on Libya has been motivated by UN Security Council resolution 1973 with the need to protect civilians. Statements by President Obama, British Prime Minister Cameron, French President Sarkozy, and other leaders have stressed the humanitarian nature of the intervention, which is said to aim at preventing a massacre of pro-democracy forces and human rights advocates by the Qaddafi regime.

But at the same time, many commentators have voiced anxiety because of the mystery which surrounds the anti-Qaddafi transitional government which emerged at the beginning of March in the city of Benghazi, located in the Cyrenaica district of north-eastern Libya. This government has already been recognized by France and Portugal as the sole legitimate representative of the Libyan people. The rebel council seems to be composed of just over 30 delegates, many of whom are enveloped in obscurity. In addition, the names of more than a dozen members of the rebel council are being kept secret, allegedly to protect them from the vengeance of Qaddafi. But there may be other reasons for the anonymity of these figures. Despite much uncertainty, the United Nations and its several key NATO countries, including the United States, have rushed forward to assist the armed forces of this rebel regime with air strikes, leading to the loss of one or two coalition aircraft and the prospect of heavier losses to come, especially if there should be an invasion. It is high time that American and European publics learned something more about this rebel regime which is supposed to represent a democratic and humanitarian alternative to Gaddafi. The rebels are clearly not civilians, but an armed force. What kind of an armed force?

Since many of the rebel leaders are so difficult to research from afar, and since a sociological profile of the rebels cannot be done on the ground in the midst of warfare, perhaps the typical methods of social history can be called on for help. Is there a way for us to gain deeper insight into the climate of opinion which prevails in such northeastern Libyan cities as Benghazi, Tobruk, and Darnah, the main population centers of the rebellion?

It turns out that there is, in the form of a December 2007 West Point study examining the background of foreign guerrilla fighters — jihadis or mujahedin, including suicide bombers — crossing the Syrian border into Iraq during the 2006-2007 timeframe, under the auspices of the international terrorist organization Al Qaeda. This study is based on a mass of about 600 Al Qaeda personnel files which were captured by US forces in the fall of 2007, and analyzed at West Point using a methodology which we will discuss after having presented the main findings. The resulting study1 permits us to make important findings about the mentality and belief structures of the northeastern Libyan population that is furnishing the basis for the rebellion, permitting important conclusions about the political nature of the anti-Qaddafi revolt in these areas......"



Download PDF of the study directly from West Point
http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/pdf/CTCForeignFighter.19.Dec07.pdf

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
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I look at al-Qeada as a sort of portable insta-riot/war, a synthetic terror designed to guarantee endless conflicts to sate the appetite war machine, and scare the West nations populace into acceptance of the surveillance society.

Don't get me wrong, many in it are genuine Islamic terrorists, but they are simply the tips of the spear, and when a spear is aimed and thrown in certain direct, the tip follows that path.

Study the subterfuge of the British in the middle east for the last 200 years, and you will see the patterns of present day emerge from the shadows.

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Lockerbie, CIA, and Ghaddafi


The way the appeal by Megrahi was dropped in exchange for release, nobody can see the evidence that his lawyers gathered (thousands of pages) that show the targets of the Lockerbie bombing were rogue CIA agents who were going back to testify in Washington DC about their involvement in the Lebanese hostage (Terry Anderson, et al.) situation. The rogue element was involved in the terrorist drug running (skimming for themselves and clandestine CIA ops, similar to what Oliver North was doing in Iran Contra). The US State Department and other US agencies pulled almost all their people off the flight, and dozens of Syracuse University students who were on standby to fly home for the holiday (because they wanted to save money) were thus let on the flight. They all died.
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from the The Week (UK)

How Megrahi and Libya were framed for Lockerbie

Alexander Cockburn: Amid all the fuss about Megrahi’s early release, there remains strong evidence he didn’t do it

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/66187,news-comment,news-politics,how-abdelbaset-al-megrahi-and-libya-were-framed-for-lockerbie-bombing

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Lockerbie Diary: Gadhaffi, Fall Guy for CIA Drug Running (Scoop from The Independent- New Zealand)


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1103/S00072/lockerbie-diary-gadhaffi-fall-guy-for-cia-drug-running.htm


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flashback 2 years (including Young Turks video) more US support of terrorist groups

Saudis and CIA back Khalid Sheikh Mohammad’s Jundullah in Pakistan and Iran?

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/saudis-and-cia-back-khalid-sheikh-mohammads-jundullah-in-pakistan-and-iran
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flashhback to 2007 (BBC)

Libyan Islamists 'join al-Qaeda'

Zawahri called for North African leaders to be overthrown
A Libyan Islamist group has joined al-Qaeda, according to an audio message on the internet attributed to the radical network's second-in-command.
Ayman al-Zawahri purportedly said the Fighting Islamic Group in Libya was becoming part of al-Qaeda.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7076604.stm
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flasback to 2002 (Guardian UK) French intelligence experts revealed how western intelligence agencies bankrolled a Libyan Al-Qaeda cell

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/nov/10/uk.davidshayler

MI6 'halted bid to arrest bin Laden'Startling revelations by French intelligence experts back David Shayler's alleged 'fantasy'about Gadaffi plot

British intelligence paid large sums of money to an al-Qaeda cell in Libya in a doomed attempt to assassinate Colonel Gadaffi in 1996 and thwarted early attempts to bring Osama bin Laden to justice.
The latest claims of MI6 involvement with Libya's fearsome Islamic Fighting Group, which is connected to one of bin Laden's trusted lieutenants, will be embarrassing to the Government, which described similar claims by renegade MI5 officer David Shayler as 'pure fantasy'


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The Power of Nightmares, subtitled The Rise of the Politics of Fear, is a 3 part BBC documentary film series, written and produced by Adam Curtis.
The films compare the rise of the Neo-Conservative movement in the United States and the radical Islamist movement, making comparisons on their origins and claiming similarities between the two. More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organized force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lByw7kvS0&feature=related part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai6LhnW4Oa8&feature=related part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HvzR8w1z2g&feature=related part 3

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remember, the USA seeds of al-Qaeda started in 1978 and 1979, under Robert Gates of the Carter regime, now he has been the Sec of Defense under both Bush and Obama

[indimuse]

11. wow! Thank you~you could have started your own thread! hehe...

I will definitely check it all out! ;)

[Modern_Matthew]

10. These opportunists will look for any event to sensationalize, then dust off plans drawn up long ago.

Sad that people accept their propaganda time after time.

[indimuse]

12. What is MOST shocking to me is the attitude of MANY...MANY DU'ers!

I really can't believe it.

[stockholmer]

21. you can lead horse to water, but................

This whole Libya fiasco (along with the expansion of the Afghan theatre, etc etc) is a prime example of the danger that comes with a so-called liberal presidency giving 'left-cover' to empiric policies. Many exceedingly well-meaning left-progressives just cannot seem to connect the dots that spending $1.2 trillion year on defense http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/real-us-national-security-budget-1-trillion is bankrupting the country and will destroy the social safety net that is their prime focus.

The real hammer that works 'pari passu' with the war machine to ensure empiric continuity of agenda is the overriding fear that any substantive criticism or even congressional action against a Democratic war president will result in a right-wing Republican being elected. This is the deep-political danger of the US 2-party system. Most simply hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.

This illegal war action by Obama results in further consolidation of executive powers, at the expense of Congressional ones. For a good discussion of this (I do not agree with Woods on most things from an economic standpoint, but find great common cause with him on the anti-war stance) see http://www.tomwoods.com/warpowers/ . What many forget is that sooner or later, the 'other side' will be in the Oval Office, and all these new powers will be further used to destroy democratic ideals and policies they hold dear to their hearts.

[hulka38]

14. Check out the background of the guy leading the "Libyan rebellion"

From a McClatchy report a week ago Libyan rebel leader spent much of past 20 years in suburban Virginia

For nearly two decades, the leader of the Libyan rebels, General Hifter, has been living in Vienna, Virginia, about five minutes away from CIA headquarters at Langley. He was a top general for Qaddafi before becoming part of the opposition.

This excerpt is from David Bromwich from Huffpo today: The CIA, the Libyan Rebellion, and the President

According to Mazzetti and Schmitt, the CIA and its British equivalent MI6 scoured Libya as far back as 2003, initially in the effort to persuade Muammar Gaddafi to give up his nuclear weapons program. When that effort succeeded, the intelligence operatives went away, or so Mazzetti and Schmitt suggest. When the February protests began and a crackdown followed, the CIA and MI6 went back into Libya and picked up the old connections. What are they doing now on the ground? Arranging targets for air strikes with the help of U-2 spy planes and a Global Hawk drone. Also learning of and creating links between the rebel groups to facilitate enhanced advisory work at a later date. In short, doing everything but fight, it would seem; but Mazzetti and Schmitt add that "dozens" of British special forces accompany the operatives from the CIA and MI6. What do special forces do?

Mazzetti and Schnitt-NYT 4/2/11: Clandestine C.I.A. Operatives Gather Information in Libya

[joshcryer]

18. Susan Lindauer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer

I think only Russia Today would find her a credible interview.

[indimuse]

20. And which of our corporate media whore outlets, would you say has ANY credibility

at all! They are highly paid liars..who fear losing their jobs...


I almost fell off my chair when I heard Ed Shultz defend this illegal action! hehe...
His reasoning kept changing..If it weren't so sad...it would have been funny! But. It's not.

[stockholmer]

22. much of the info on Lindhauer is a concerted effort to smear a legit whistle-blower

the US government (CIA especially) tried every trick in the book to lock her down, but at the end of the day had no case, so they gave a parting shot when dismissing the case by claiming she was unstable. Her sources and assertions have so far checked out.


For similar treatment of 'enemies of the state', look back to the COINTELPRO, Gary Webb, Mordechai Vanunu, Daniel Ellsberg, Sibel Edmonds, etc etc.

[joshcryer]

25. Given her rantings on the Wikipedia discussion page I doubt it.

The woman is clearly disconnected from reality.

[Distant Observer]

24. Toppling Gaddafi has been ongoing project. Ironic that basis US hatred has never been proved

Western covert ops have sunk Libyan ships, attempted assassinations and coups, but as soon as
there is any event they can try to pin on Libya there is righteous indignation, anger and bombs. Its really shameful.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/11/world/west-berlin-links-woman-sought-in-disco-bombing-to-palestinians.html
The police suspect that a West Berlin woman working for Palestinian terrorists planted the bomb that killed two American soldiers and a Turkish woman and wounded 229 people in a West Berlin discotheque in April 1986, the authorities said today.

http://100777.com/node/101

A documentary broadcast August 25 by German public television presents compelling evidence that some of the main suspects in the 1986 Berlin disco bombing, the event that provided the pretext for a US air assault on Libya, worked for American and Israeli intelligence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/14/world/4-guilty-in-fatal-1986-berlin-disco-bombing-linked-to-libya.html

''Libya bears at the very least a considerable part of the responsibility for the attack,'' said the judge, Peter Marhofer. But he added that the personal responsibility of the Libyan leader, Muammar el-Qaddafi, had not been proven.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1653848.stm
But the prosecution was unable to prove that Colonel Gaddafi was behind the attack - a failure which the court blamed on the "limited willingness" of the German and US governments to share intelligence.